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Re: RWC 2019 Qualifying

Postby victorsra » Sat, 07 Jan 2017, 17:49

It would change because of some teams played the relegated team away and some at home.

Let's say Belgium is relegated. In 2017 they play at home Russia and Romania and away Germany and Spain. Imagine if after 2017+2018 Spain finishes 1 point above Russia, because Russia defeated Belgium without bonus.
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Re: RWC 2019 Qualifying

Postby FLIDTA RISXVA » Tue, 07 Mar 2017, 09:51

CONFIRMATION

http://www.rugbyeurope.eu/reic-promotio ... ing-rounds

REIC - Promotion / relegation and RWC2019 Qualifying rounds

Find below the process for the end of the season 2016-1è for Play-offs and RWC Qualifiyng Rounds.

Promotion / Relegation Plays-off REIC 2016-17

- 6th Championship V 1st Trophy: 20th May 2017

- 1st Conference North or South V 1st Conference South or North: 20th May 2017

Rugby World Cup 2019 Qualifying Rounds

- Q1: Winner Conference 2 North or South V Winner Conference South or North: 20th May 2017

- Q2: Winner Play-off Conference 1 North or South / Conference 1 South or North V Winner Q1: 27th May 2017

- Q3: Winner Trophy 2016-17 V Winner Q2: November 2017

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Re: RWC 2019 Qualifying

Postby Armchair Fan » Tue, 07 Mar 2017, 10:05

Well, it's still officially unknown how will they deal with the fifth team in REC/RWC qualifiers. Will the results from Belgium this year count if they get relegated?

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Re: RWC 2019 Qualifying

Postby sammo » Tue, 07 Mar 2017, 10:38

Armchair Fan wrote:Well, it's still officially unknown how will they deal with the fifth team in REC/RWC qualifiers. Will the results from Belgium this year count if they get relegated?


They won't; https://rugbyest.com/european-path-to-t ... -explained

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Re: RWC 2019 Qualifying

Postby Armchair Fan » Tue, 07 Mar 2017, 10:53

I already read Rugby Est explanation, I just would like to have this be published by World Rugby or Rugby Europe.

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Re: RWC 2019 Qualifying

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Re: RWC 2019 Qualifying

Postby Armchair Fan » Tue, 07 Mar 2017, 11:10

Thanks a lot

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Re: RWC 2019 Qualifying

Postby RugbyLiebe » Tue, 07 Mar 2017, 15:34

So the games against Belgium (I use them as they've lost all three games yet, in reality they could still even finish 2nd :shock: ) just count, if they don't lose the relegation playoff. If they stay in, their games continue to count towards the RWC qualifier. Confusing but at least logical.
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Re: RWC 2019 Qualifying

Postby thatrugbyguy » Tue, 07 Mar 2017, 23:25

So this is really a bit of a mess if I read this correct. Matches against Belgium, or whoever is last in the competition, will only count if they avoid relegation in the playoff. So, theoretically there might only be 6 meaningful games over the next 2 years if Portugal are promoted to the REC.

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Re: RWC 2019 Qualifying

Postby Coloradoan » Wed, 08 Mar 2017, 00:10

thatrugbyguy wrote:So this is really a bit of a mess if I read this correct. Matches against Belgium, or whoever is last in the competition, will only count if they avoid relegation in the playoff. So, theoretically there might only be 6 meaningful games over the next 2 years if Portugal are promoted to the REC.


Correct. There is some logic to it. Only count the matches that each team gets to play both home and away and against teams who are competing towards qualification.

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Re: RWC 2019 Qualifying

Postby thatrugbyguy » Wed, 08 Mar 2017, 00:44

I think there needs to be a reworking of the auto-qualifiers for the World Cup. At present you finish third in the pool and you automatically qualify for the following tournament. I think maybe what needs to happen is instead of the third place teams getting an automatic spot 4 years later they instead bypass all other qualifying stages until the final round. We can't have a situation where some games go towards qualification and some games don't.

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Re: RWC 2019 Qualifying

Postby Neptune » Wed, 08 Mar 2017, 08:05

thatrugbyguy wrote:I think there needs to be a reworking of the auto-qualifiers for the World Cup. At present you finish third in the pool and you automatically qualify for the following tournament. I think maybe what needs to happen is instead of the third place teams getting an automatic spot 4 years later they instead bypass all other qualifying stages until the final round. We can't have a situation where some games go towards qualification and some games don't.

As someone sayed in an earlier thread, this rule was never there pre - 2007, but after the weakest link in the U.K category(not mentioning names) ;) failed to secure a quarter final slot, the rules changed to include the top 3 sides in the pool stage. hehe :lol:

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Re: RWC 2019 Qualifying

Postby RugbyLiebe » Wed, 08 Mar 2017, 08:43

thatrugbyguy wrote:I think there needs to be a reworking of the auto-qualifiers for the World Cup. At present you finish third in the pool and you automatically qualify for the following tournament. I think maybe what needs to happen is instead of the third place teams getting an automatic spot 4 years later they instead bypass all other qualifying stages until the final round. We can't have a situation where some games go towards qualification and some games don't.


While I agree with you, your suggestion doesn't make sense. Georgia would still play in the REC, their only regular competition and games against them would still not count. If they would be excluded from the REC it would actually not be a benefit, but a penalty.

Only solution: away with every form of direct qualfication apart the next host, the world champions and maybe the semi-finalists. There would actually be so many good things coming from this small move.
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Re: RWC 2019 Qualifying

Postby thatrugbyguy » Sat, 11 Mar 2017, 05:43

So the final game next week between France and Wales looks like it will determine who between France and Argentina gets into Pot 2 of the World Cup draw. If Wales wins by 16 or more then France drops to 9th. A loss of less than 15 points means France will just sneak in ahead of Argentina by about 0.9 points. In the unlikelihood France loses to Italy it means France has to win at all costs.

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Re: RWC 2019 Qualifying

Postby Raven » Mon, 13 Mar 2017, 10:02

It´s a bit of a never ending question, but I still don´t get the REC table / RWC Qualy...

As far as I understand,
- Games against Georgia don´t count
- Games against the last placed team only count if they keep their spot in the REC Championship

SO, for the sake of argument, let´s say Belgium keeps their place and don´t go down to the Trophy:

We have :
1st: Romania (15pts) W3 L1 +43 difference, last game against Georgia so game itself doesn´t count.

2nd: Spain (8pts) W2 L1 +17 difference, game v Georgia doesn´t count, and still has to play Belgium home.
2nd: Germany (8pts) W2 L1 -9 difference, game v Georgia doesn´t count, and has to play Russia away.

So there´s a 26 point difference between the 2nds, and if both win they will be 3 table points away from Romania in the RWC qualifier ?

Interesting...

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Re: RWC 2019 Qualifying

Postby Armchair Fan » Mon, 13 Mar 2017, 10:05

Romania has reached three bonus points, Spain and Germany none. That's the difference. Romania could even clinch the direct qualifying spot with one less win than Spain or Germany.

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Re: RWC 2019 Qualifying

Postby Raven » Mon, 13 Mar 2017, 10:59

Armchair Fan wrote:Romania has reached three bonus points, Spain and Germany none. That's the difference. Romania could even clinch the direct qualifying spot with one less win than Spain or Germany.


Yes, but IF Romania loses once again in the second round to any team chances are one of these 2 teams might actually challenge them the direct qualification spot... Spain plays them home next time & they are also playing Germany home... so I think odds could be on their favor.

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Re: RWC 2019 Qualifying

Postby thatrugbyguy » Mon, 13 Mar 2017, 12:00

Rugby must have the worst world cup qualifying structure of any major sport on the planet.

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Re: RWC 2019 Qualifying

Postby RugbyLiebe » Mon, 13 Mar 2017, 13:15

thatrugbyguy wrote:Rugby must have the worst world cup qualifying structure of any major sport on the planet.


It is the worst, but just because those 12 teams already qualified. Apart from that it is the most complicated structure :D
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Re: RWC 2019 Qualifying

Postby BigG » Mon, 13 Mar 2017, 19:31

In my opinion it is a good time for IRB to think about extension up to 24 teams: 6 groups, 4 teams in each. 16 qualify to the 1/8 round, and so on. In this case total number of games will increase, however one team may play maximum 7 games (the same number as under WC acting system).

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Re: RWC 2019 Qualifying

Postby snapper37 » Mon, 13 Mar 2017, 21:40

thatrugbyguy wrote:Rugby must have the worst world cup qualifying structure of any major sport on the planet.



Other then Soccer how many major sports have world cup qualifying?

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Re: RWC 2019 Qualifying

Postby Coloradoan » Mon, 13 Mar 2017, 23:01

snapper37 wrote:
thatrugbyguy wrote:Rugby must have the worst world cup qualifying structure of any major sport on the planet.



Other then Soccer how many major sports have world cup qualifying?


Nearly every major team sport around the world: basketball, cricket, baseball, handball, field hockey.

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Re: RWC 2019 Qualifying

Postby Armchair Fan » Mon, 13 Mar 2017, 23:16

Basketball has only established it for 2019, untril now they used regional tournaments.

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Re: RWC 2019 Qualifying

Postby RugbyLiebe » Tue, 14 Mar 2017, 08:20

Armchair Fan wrote:Basketball has only established it for 2019, untril now they used regional tournaments.


But that's because you can play a basketball game every other day. Same goes for all the other sports


Coloradoan wrote:
snapper37 wrote:
thatrugbyguy wrote:Rugby must have the worst world cup qualifying structure of any major sport on the planet.



Other then Soccer how many major sports have world cup qualifying?


Nearly every major team sport around the world: basketball, cricket, baseball, handball, field hockey.


Water polo also has qualification tournaments for their continental and world championships.

The more exciting question actually is: which one doesn't?

I could just think of Ice-hockey which has world championships with promotion/relegation and no continental championships.


The more I think about it: the only other game really comparable of possible qualification structures to rugby is soccer because there you also need a longer rest-time before you play again.
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Re: RWC 2019 Qualifying

Postby thatrugbyguy » Tue, 14 Mar 2017, 09:35

Rugby having a tiered structure also complicate things. There's only been one time in all RWC history most T1 nations had to qualify, and that was for RWC 1999. That format was rejected again when NZ baulked at the idea of having to qualify after their 4th place finish in 1999.

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