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Re: RWC 2019 Qualifying

Postby sjbret » Sat, 20 May 2017, 21:11

Canalina, I don't think that Portugal is eliminated.
As Trophy winner, they would have a play-off game in autumn Vs the Conference winner (next week I think) between Hungary and Czech Republic.
And the winner would have in 2018 a play-off too Vs the 2nd of the 2-year 2017-2018 Championship except Georgia.
Today, I guess that only Belgium could be eliminated. But, for 2018, they are very far behind Spain or Russia...

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Re: RWC 2019 Qualifying

Postby Canalina » Sat, 20 May 2017, 21:11

You are right!
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Re: RWC 2019 Qualifying

Postby Canalina » Sun, 28 May 2017, 06:56

Hungary and Chile are the eliminated nations #62 and #63

Just 28 nations left in the qualifying run: ten from Africa, seven from Europe, five from Oceania, three from Americas, three from Asia

Next qualifying matches on June 24th, I suppose: the starting of Africa Cup Gold and the first leg of North America play-off
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Re: RWC 2019 Qualifying

Postby Canalina » Tue, 27 Jun 2017, 10:08

This saturday we will surely have the name of the first team qualified for the World Cup, but in case of a samoan victory in Nuku'Alofa we should have three qualified nations in one day. Kick off times (I think) in CET

04.00 Tonga v Samoa
18.00 Senegal v Uganda
20.00 Tunisia v Namibia
24.00 Usa v Canada

and the standing
Oceania: Fiji 8, Samoa 4, Tonga 1
North America: Usa 3, Canada 2
Africa: Zimbabwe 5, Uganda 2, Kenya 2, Namibia 0, Tunisia 0, Senegal 0
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Re: RWC 2019 Qualifying

Postby dwpeate » Fri, 30 Jun 2017, 22:37

Interesting thing today: Malaysia created a Facebook event for their home fixture Vs Hong Kong on may 5th next year. No sign of other games though

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Re: RWC 2019 Qualifying

Postby rugby.change » Sat, 08 Jul 2017, 08:28

Fiji qualify as Oceania 1 and join Pool D with Australia, Wales, Georgia and Americas 2.

All to play for next week for Samoa, win or lose by 7 points or less and qualify as Oceania 2. Lose by more than 7 and don't score 4 tries, Tonga take the Oceania 2 spot.

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Re: RWC 2019 Qualifying

Postby Neptune » Sat, 08 Jul 2017, 08:34

rugby.change wrote:Fiji qualify as Oceania 1 and join Pool D with Australia, Wales, Georgia and Americas 2.

All to play for next week for Samoa, win or lose by 7 points or less and qualify as Oceania 2. Lose by more than 7 and don't score 4 tries, Tonga take the Oceania 2 spot.


wow, it's getting trickier as ever. So, basically either Samoa or Tonga will meet the Europe 2? Doesn't get any tougher than that.

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Re: RWC 2019 Qualifying

Postby dwpeate » Tue, 11 Jul 2017, 13:09

Africa Qualification: Contrary to the RWC website and the Wiki article, it is looking like the Gold cup will remain a 6 team affair for next year, as Rugby Africa continue to say that Morocco has been promoted for the chance to win the 6 team tournament. No sign of this bizzare playoff that has been thrown around [2017 Silver winner v 2018 second place]. Thankfully

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Re: RWC 2019 Qualifying

Postby RugbyLiebe » Tue, 11 Jul 2017, 13:41

dwpeate wrote: No sign of this bizzare playoff that has been thrown around [2017 Silver winner v 2018 second place]. Thankfully


Are you sure? This is exactly what will take part in Europe after this year's REC. The second placed team (Georgia excluded) will play against Portugal/winner of the division one down for the Euro2 spot.
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Re: RWC 2019 Qualifying

Postby dwpeate » Tue, 11 Jul 2017, 15:00

Well, Rugby Africa keep saying that Morocco have earned their promotion to 2018 Gold Cup. It seems a bit odd that they would be denied the chance to compete in that format when the direct qualifier is decided from the 2018 Gold Cup.

I found this on World Rugby which hints at this but doesn't explicitly say either way:

"Meanwhile, Morocco won promotion to next year’s Gold Cup after a tense 8-3 victory over the Ivory Coast saw them lift the Silver Cup on home soil in Casablanca.

As a result, Morocco stay in the hunt for a place at Rugby World Cup 2019 as the winner of the region’s top-tier tournament in 2018 will qualify for the tournament as Africa 1"

As I say, I think it would probably be a bit odd for Morocco to earn this promotion but then only get excluded from the pool play qualification

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Re: RWC 2019 Qualifying

Postby Neptune » Wed, 12 Jul 2017, 05:56

RugbyLiebe wrote:
dwpeate wrote: No sign of this bizzare playoff that has been thrown around [2017 Silver winner v 2018 second place]. Thankfully


Are you sure? This is exactly what will take part in Europe after this year's REC. The second placed team (Georgia excluded) will play against Portugal/winner of the division one down for the Euro2 spot.


This is the most absurd rule i have heard from WR. How does the runner up of the REC play the winner of division 1 to determine Europe 2 who will further face off aginst Oceania 3? In a nutshell, if I use English premier league football (pardon me but seems the easiest way to explain) it will have a team like Arsenal or Liverpool play Brighton and Hove Albion to determine the winner of the F.A Cup? As in seriously.... who comes up with such shitty rules?

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Re: RWC 2019 Qualifying

Postby RugbyLiebe » Wed, 12 Jul 2017, 07:11

Neptune wrote:
RugbyLiebe wrote:
dwpeate wrote: No sign of this bizzare playoff that has been thrown around [2017 Silver winner v 2018 second place]. Thankfully


Are you sure? This is exactly what will take part in Europe after this year's REC. The second placed team (Georgia excluded) will play against Portugal/winner of the division one down for the Euro2 spot.


This is the most absurd rule i have heard from WR. How does the runner up of the REC play the winner of division 1 to determine Europe 2 who will further face off aginst Oceania 3? In a nutshell, if I use English premier league football (pardon me but seems the easiest way to explain) it will have a team like Arsenal or Liverpool play Brighton and Hove Albion to determine the winner of the F.A Cup? As in seriously.... who comes up with such shitty rules?


The idea is not that bad from a promotional perspective. And nothing new. Germany as the Rugby Europe Trophy winner played Russia for Euro3 in 2014. This makes every game in a region a qualifier game, while otherwise just 6 or 12 teams (if you can't the RET) would be involved. So every team down to the lowest level has in theory the chance to qualify for the world cup. Remember Europe has way more divisions and levels than any other region.
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Re: RWC 2019 Qualifying

Postby Bruce_ma_goose » Wed, 12 Jul 2017, 11:18

I have to say I dislike it also. Portugal had their chance be promoted and then should have been considered. The thought of Portugal losing to the weakest side in the REC but becoming Europe2 due to say a red card to a Romanian or Spaniard seems a bit absurd.

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Re: RWC 2019 Qualifying

Postby Bogdan_DC » Wed, 12 Jul 2017, 12:16

Yep, i dislike it also. I understand the reason for it but it makes from all the qualification process a lottery.

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Re: RWC 2019 Qualifying

Postby victorsra » Wed, 12 Jul 2017, 12:32

It is like that because a Conference 2 team can't reach the Championship in 3 years, that is the time between the world cup years.

But they could arrange it.

2019 November- Development Cup
2020 Conference 2
2021 Conference 1
2022 Trophy
2022 May Repechage. Just if the Trophy team is promoted it faces the Championship third on July.
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Re: RWC 2019 Qualifying

Postby RugbyLiebe » Wed, 12 Jul 2017, 13:13

victorsra wrote:2022 May Repechage. Just if the Trophy team is promoted it faces the Championship third on July.


Which is actually worse imho, because Euro2 than just has 2 months to plan a playoff.
But yeah I am on board that with the one-year-cycle this playoff actually lost every sense (well apart from the promotion that even Austria or Luxembourg play a world cup qualifier).
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Re: RWC 2019 Qualifying

Postby sk 88 » Wed, 12 Jul 2017, 17:32

I like it. Knock out games are always more tense and exciting. It also allows any nation to qualify for any RWC and that is an important thing.

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Re: RWC 2019 Qualifying

Postby rey200 » Wed, 12 Jul 2017, 18:14

yeah, it's not like it only serves like a fig leaf while letting the weaker team have one shot on foreign ground...

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Re: RWC 2019 Qualifying

Postby victorsra » Wed, 12 Jul 2017, 19:35

Which is actually worse imho, because Euro2 than just has 2 months to plan a playoff.

2 months is enough.

Look what the current system did with Czech Republic and Hungary. Czechia played the Conference 1 final against Malta on May 20th and Hungary faced on the same day Bosnia in the Conference 2 final. On May 27th Czechia played Hungary for the playoff! On May 20th we did not not who would play on May 27th!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Rugb ... ope_Trophy

2 months is a normal time for a playoff in rugby, it is more than the time between the Champions Cup quarter and semi finals for exemple.
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Re: RWC 2019 Qualifying

Postby sk 88 » Wed, 12 Jul 2017, 19:40

No one claims its a great system but its better than not even having the fig leaf!

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Re: RWC 2019 Qualifying

Postby victorsra » Wed, 12 Jul 2017, 19:44

If people want a playoff, I think it would be more interesting to split the Qualy from the Euro Champs, maybe having a playoff between all the European teams, always home and away, with Championship teams starting the playoff later.
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Re: RWC 2019 Qualifying

Postby sk 88 » Thu, 13 Jul 2017, 07:23

Practically though how is that going to work on a costs basis for the smaller unions and player release for the bigger unions? The calendar is what it is and there is not that kind of room for maneuver

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Re: RWC 2019 Qualifying

Postby Canalina » Sat, 15 Jul 2017, 05:23

Tonga was the last qualified team for 2017, I think

The remaining five RWC places should be awarded on these dates

February 2018: Americas 2
March 2018: Europe 1
June 2018: play-off winner
August 2018: Africa 1
Autumn 2018: repechage winner
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Re: RWC 2019 Qualifying

Postby Ser Podrick of Payne » Fri, 21 Jul 2017, 10:04

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Re: RWC 2019 Qualifying

Postby thatrugbyguy » Sun, 30 Jul 2017, 01:10

With Namibia having one foot in the door already as far as I'm concerned the qualification process has become nothing more than a formality and a waste of everybody's time. It's all become a sham and there's no desire to develop any further. Lets not waste our time moving forward with this useless qualification process. Two years before the world cup the top ranked team in each region qualifies automatically, the last two places can be decided in a repechage tournament. It's become evident the whole process isn't getting anywhere . There's no money being put into the regional competition. It's all become about preservation of the T2 teams now like it is with the T1's, the same bull shit that has plagued rugby for a hundred years has now filtered down to its second level of teams. Fiji, Samoa and Tonga get a free ride to the world cup with endless ways to qualify, and now Namibia have become the powerhouse of the rest of Africa. South America is the only place where there's been any redevelopment with Brazil. This whole thing is a waste of time.

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