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ENC attendance thread

Postby RugbyLiebe » Mon, 14 Mar 2016, 09:03

Judging by the latest numbers I saw, the attendance in European Nations Cup 1A matches is really growing.
What do you think about collecting them to see how they really change over the years? If I don't misjudge the numbers I've seen this competition might be up there with the biggest average attendance numbers worldwide.

Just post them with a source and I will edit them in the opening post.

Day 1 2016
Romania - Portugal 3.000
Russia - Spain 400
Georgia - Germany 2.000 (outsold ?)
Average: 1.800

Day 2 2016
Portugal - Georgia 700
Spain - Romania 7000
Russia - Germany 5.000
Average: 4233

Day 3 2016
Georgia - Spain 15.000
Romania - Russia 6.000
Germany - Portugal 8.823 (outsold)
Average: 9.941

Day 4 2016
Russia - Georgia 3.500
Spain - Portugal 10.500
Romania - Germany 8.000
Average: 7.333

Day 5 2016
Georgia - Romania 52.342
Portugal - Russia (?)
Germany - Spain 6.214 (outsold)
Average:
Last edited by RugbyLiebe on Mon, 21 Mar 2016, 07:35, edited 10 times in total.
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Re: ENC attendance thread

Postby RugbyLiebe » Mon, 14 Mar 2016, 09:05

How to grow rugby worldwide?
Look at the world ranking in July. Teams ranked 1-10 have to play one team from 11-20 (they don't play in a regular competition) away the next year. 11-20 play 21-30 away and so on. Yes, it really is that simple.

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Re: ENC attendance thread

Postby Canalina » Mon, 14 Mar 2016, 10:07

I like these statistics, even if attendance data are not rarely inflated or approximative

Day 3 average should result 9941, I think

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Re: ENC attendance thread

Postby thatrugbyguy » Mon, 14 Mar 2016, 11:17

What can be done to boost crowd numbers a bit more?

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Postby Ser Podrick of Payne » Mon, 14 Mar 2016, 11:23

Romania - Germany

The FRR website gives an attendance of 8 000 ( obviously approximated).

Romania – Germania 61-7 (27-0)
Iasi (12 martie 2016). Stadion: Emil Alexandrescu * Spectatori: 8.000 * Vreme: inchisa, racoroasa si ploaie * Teren: bun


http://frr.ro/2016/03/13/romania-a-cast ... ortugalia/

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Re: ENC attendance thread

Postby RugbyLiebe » Mon, 14 Mar 2016, 11:51

Canalina wrote:I like these statistics, even if attendance data are not rarely inflated or approximative

Day 3 average should result 9941, I think


True. Was quite in a hurry.
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Re: ENC attendance thread

Postby RugbyLiebe » Mon, 14 Mar 2016, 12:00

thatrugbyguy wrote:What can be done to boost crowd numbers a bit more?


Keep this numbers up at first. People need to realize, that it is great to be at a rugby match, the atmosphere is great, the people are friendly and the show the guys on the pitch put on is even better.

Germany-Spain should be outsold again as the 3200 seats are already sold (Only the stadium is a bit smaller with 6.500 capacity).

Don't know about the other nations, but to have an attendance of ajust under 10.000 like in Hanover against Portugal does raise some eyebrows with people who confuse rugby with American Football. If this numbers stay up, it will grow to numbers we've never seen before.

Also Belgium had some really good attendance numbers. So no matter who gets relegated, the numbers will even grow next year.

But to answer your question directly: f***** bring the tier1 nations to one test a year in those nations. Immediately 30k+ attendances.

(my idea: look at the world ranking in July. Teams 1-10 play one team 11-20 (they don't play in a regular competition) away. 11-20 play 21-30 away. Bigger attendance world-wide)

Edit: do not wonder about this statement being the same as in my signature. I'm so convinced this would be the simplest way to grow the game I put it in there afterwards. I would love to see pro's and con's about it.
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Re: ENC attendance thread

Postby victorsra » Mon, 14 Mar 2016, 14:52

I always doubt about round numbers. Of course they are the organizers' estimate, thus what they want to be.
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Postby RugbyLiebe » Mon, 14 Mar 2016, 15:01

victorsra wrote:I always doubt about round numbers. Of course they are the organizers' estimate, thus what they want to be.


True story, but sometimes hard to come by. Not everybody has german blood and is close to a heart-attack if a number seems to be not right :lol: ;-)
Russian numbers are especially tough as they have free entry afaik for the games in Sochi- same goes for the Brazilian matches btw. with the nice "bring a book" or "bring 1kg of rice"-approach.

My idea: we need to work with these numbers to actually push them. Even the round numbers are not that far off. And if 10.000 makes for a better number than 9.540, so let it be 10k (if I don't get this numbers heart-attack). No number at all is worse than a round number.
Start to think like the American Footballer's think. Make it a little bit bigger than it actually is to create a bigger audience. Make a little show (invite some bands i.e.)
It is absolutely possible to get an average audience of over 10k for this competition. Just if everybody grows and Georgia play Russia at home that is absolutely possible. We can do that together.
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Look at the world ranking in July. Teams ranked 1-10 have to play one team from 11-20 (they don't play in a regular competition) away the next year. 11-20 play 21-30 away and so on. Yes, it really is that simple.

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Postby Hansgrohe » Mon, 14 Mar 2016, 23:00

RugbyLiebe, you're onto something. There should be little things like rugbg areas for kid, etc in order to give a better atmosphere, and educate about it. Immersion vs just watching it.

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Postby victorsra » Mon, 14 Mar 2016, 23:33

True story, but sometimes hard to come by. Not everybody has german blood and is close to a heart-attack if a number seems to be not right :lol: ;-)
Russian numbers are especially tough as they have free entry afaik for the games in Sochi- same goes for the Brazilian matches btw. with the nice "bring a book" or "bring 1kg of rice"-approach.

My idea: we need to work with these numbers to actually push them. Even the round numbers are not that far off. And if 10.000 makes for a better number than 9.540, so let it be 10k (if I don't get this numbers heart-attack). No number at all is worse than a round number.
Start to think like the American Footballer's think. Make it a little bit bigger than it actually is to create a bigger audience. Make a little show (invite some bands i.e.)
It is absolutely possible to get an average audience of over 10k for this competition. Just if everybody grows and Georgia play Russia at home that is absolutely possible. We can do that together.


I agree with you. Just telling that these numbers are probably bigger than the real, but we won't know the truth anyway.
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Re: ENC attendance thread

Postby fullbackace » Mon, 14 Mar 2016, 23:53

I think the best way to expose people to Rugby is through respectable sports channels, I was introduced to so many sports as a teenager through Eurosport, I mean I've never in my life encountered actual curling player, or a snooker club.. but I used to cheer for Ronny O'sullivan like crazy, and that's because they televised ton of tournaments.
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Re: ENC attendance thread

Postby Hansgrohe » Tue, 15 Mar 2016, 00:27

Yes, these unions need to get the ENC on their channels. USA Rugby and Argentina did a great job with ESPN. There needs to be the same in Europe. Rugby Europe TV is a step in the right direction, though why using Dailymotion is questionable.

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Postby thatrugbyguy » Tue, 15 Mar 2016, 00:50

What local channels would be best for each respective country to have games broadcast?

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Postby fullbackace » Tue, 15 Mar 2016, 00:56

thatrugbyguy wrote:What local channels would be best for each respective country to have games broadcast?

as said Eurosport is gr8 for Georgia, It will draw more attention in Georgia than most Local Channels because if it's Eurosport It must be important. Whereas Georgian TV broadcasting it doesn't mean much as they'll broadcast anything involving Georgia.
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Postby thatrugbyguy » Tue, 15 Mar 2016, 01:04

Is Eurosport continental wide?

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Postby fullbackace » Tue, 15 Mar 2016, 01:41

thatrugbyguy wrote:Is Eurosport continental wide?

yep.

The pan-european network of channels is available in 54 countries, in 20 different languages, providing viewers with European and international sporting events.
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Re: ENC attendance thread

Postby RugbyLiebe » Tue, 15 Mar 2016, 08:52

fullbackace wrote:
thatrugbyguy wrote:Is Eurosport continental wide?

yep.

The pan-european network of channels is available in 54 countries, in 20 different languages, providing viewers with European and international sporting events.


While this is true there are different versions of it. Eurosport UK, France, Germany and maybe some others with slightly different programs.
The problem in Germany with the European Nations is: it is in the middle of the wintersport season and Eurosport basically has therefore all slots filled with Skiing, Ski Jumping, Biathlon, etc. during "daylight".
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Postby RugbyLiebe » Tue, 15 Mar 2016, 08:56

Has anybody any idea about the attendance of Russia vs. Germany?
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Re: ENC attendance thread

Postby EspañaRugby » Tue, 15 Mar 2016, 10:27

I guess the price of the tickets also plays an important role when analyzing these numbers. Indeed, how would you compare for example an attendance of 10.000 people paying for their tickets with an attendance of 15.000 people if you give the tickets for free?

In Spain, tickets are maybe a bit "expensive" if we take in account that rugby is semi-amateur and most of the fans are students / young people: the price is 15€ no matter where you are seated (although <16yrs do not pay). I am sure that if the tickets prices were a bit lower, much more people would come to the stadium. I think this gives even a little more merit to the extraordinary good numbers in Spain.

I have been attending to Spain´s national team matches for twenty years now. I am sure that if next year and in 2018 we arrive to the last maches with chances of qualifying for Japan, and if the national federation helps (i.e. not scheduling national/regional league matches in the same day that the national team plays, putting tickets at 5-10€, etc.), it wouldn´t be strange to see >15.000 people in Madrid´s stadium.

I hope World Rugby realizes one day Spain´s and Germany´s potential as Tier-2 nations...

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Postby Armchair Fan » Tue, 15 Mar 2016, 12:01

Well, it's fair to say 3,200 tickets for Spain v Portugal were offered at a reduced fare (10€) if bought online. I feel FER has done a better job promoting matches this year: previews published in MARCA, As and El Confidencial, transporting advices through social media, online tickets... And, OK, Central stadium is completely outdated, but it's placed in an incredibly central zone of Madrid and the fact of playing all ENC games in the same location helps to create a habit in local fans.

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Re: ENC attendance thread

Postby Zhenya_Zima » Tue, 15 Mar 2016, 12:45

RugbyLiebe wrote:Has anybody any idea about the attendance of Russia vs. Germany?

"More than 5,000"
https://twitter.com/russiarugby/status/ ... 8702644224

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Postby lerugby » Sat, 19 Mar 2016, 08:46

EspañaRugby wrote:In Spain, tickets are maybe a bit "expensive" if we take in account that rugby is semi-amateur and most of the fans are students / young people: the price is 15€ .

15€? :shock:

I always thought that ticket in Spain was free, because average attendance is higher than in other Countries (except of Georgia).

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Postby Armchair Fan » Sat, 19 Mar 2016, 08:51

Not at all. It's only free for youngsters. It used to cost 10€ and then increased to 15€. At least, as the pitch is given for free to FER all earnings go to our rugby union.

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Re: ENC attendance thread

Postby RugbyLiebe » Sun, 20 Mar 2016, 10:59

Any numbers from the Portugal game?
Germany (6214) was and Georgia (50k) were apparently outsold
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Look at the world ranking in July. Teams ranked 1-10 have to play one team from 11-20 (they don't play in a regular competition) away the next year. 11-20 play 21-30 away and so on. Yes, it really is that simple.

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