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Re: Romanian Rugby

Postby amz » Fri, 22 Mar 2019, 13:37

Armchair Fan wrote:Over a third of the squad changed compared to Zaragoza game in December. This and a bit more of training together should be enough to keep scores close...


the team from Zaragoza was in winter break for a month already when it was called up. Due to snow/weather, they trained together 2-3 days before the trip only indoor. Imo they shouldn't have accepted the invitation at that time of the year.

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Re: Romanian Rugby

Postby amz » Sat, 23 Mar 2019, 07:52

Romanian Cup final between CSM Bucuresti and Timisoara Saracens to kick off today at 11:00 UK timezone

official live stream:
https://www.rugbytv.ro/2019/03/22/23-ma ... acens.html

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Re: Romanian Rugby

Postby beber » Fri, 29 Mar 2019, 23:05

A lot of moves in the Super Liga during the winter break

Baia Mare signed south african flanker Jacob Immelman (Eagles, Currie Cup), namibian international scrumhalf or flyhalf TC Kisting, utility back Dorin Manole (Orthez, 25 caps), kiwi centre Jason Tomane (CSM Bucuresti) and a big surprise with the signing of argentinian international front row Roberto Tejerizo (4 caps, ex Jaguares)

Steaua signed georgian prop Nika Pataraia from Baia Mare

Dinamo Bucuresti signed experienced nr8 Daniel Carpo (54 caps) from CSM Bucuresti and argentinian prop Juan Pablo Rivas

CSM Bucuresti strength its squad with south african flyhalf Karlo Aspeling (Pumas), Timisoara's lock Marian Drenceanu (6 caps) and romanian legen Ovidiu Tonita (73 caps)

Tomitanii Constanta is becoming very strong, with south african flyhalf Darren Baron (CSM Bucuresti), zimbabwean international centre Ngoni Chibuwe (Gexto, Spain), south african centre John Esterhuizen (Dinamo Bucuresti), fijian centre Jone Nasalo (Baia Mare), south african lock Cornell Hess (SWD Eagles), Timisoara's prop Gigi Militaru (3 caps), Sharks U21 hooker Samuel Swanepoel and georgians Nika Chumashvili (prop), Jonatan Paatashvili (hooker) and Giorgi Tsverava (prop, Decazeville, Fra)

No signing announced for Cluj, Timisoara and Buzau

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Re: Romanian Rugby

Postby Sick » Sat, 30 Mar 2019, 08:43

Steaua also signed Andrei Bucurescu (2nd line/3rd line) from CSM Bucharest. They also added Cristian Bumbac, Rares Ciudin and Iulian Buturuga (all born 2000) about 2 months ago.

Buzau added Wihan Adlen a South African centre/winger.

Baia Mare also brought a hooker from their youth team born 2000.

Dinamo also got a young 2nd line from Moldova.

CSM Bucuresti also signed Julien Onutu ex FED2, brother of Nicholas.

Tomitanii also brought a moldovan fly-half and Andrei Cabason (2nd line) both born 2000 from their youth team

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Re: Romanian Rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Sat, 30 Mar 2019, 09:19

beber wrote:Tomitanii Constanta Zimbabwean international centre Ngoni Chibuwe (Getxo, Spain)

As good a player as unreliable. Left without notice to play first Sevens World Series rounds of the season with Zimbabwe...

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Re: Romanian Rugby

Postby Caledor » Tue, 16 Apr 2019, 14:39

I see interesting results last round 10.

1. CSM Buchuresti 44 pts.
2. Timisoara - 40 pts.
3. Steaua Buchuresti - 38 pts.
4. CSM Baia Mare - 37 pts.
5. SCM Gloria Buzau - 15 pts.
6. Dinamo Buchuresti - 11 pts.
7. Cluj. - 7 pts.
8. AS Tomitanii Constanta - 5 pts.

1. What happens in the European Continental Shield if CSM Buchuresti win the league for this season 2018-19? Will they qualify for the 2019-20 European Continental Shield?

2. I see Timisoara beat Enisei STM of Russia in Leg 1 of European Continental Shield. If Timisoara beat Enisei STM in leg 2 what happen? Will they be in the European Challenge Cup 2019-20 season?

3. I hear there are financial troubles with players getting paid on time at CSM Baia Mare, Timisoara, CSM Buchuresti, AS Tomitanii Constanta? Why does this happen a lot?

4. Romanian contracting laws in rugby are absolutely shocking! I am hearing AS Tomitanii Constanta are signing Andrei Cabason (2nd line) both born 2000 from their youth team for 7 years!? How can this be legal? I have heard from Romanian players the clubs like Baia Mare, Tomitanii Constanta an some others there put contract terms which exploit the players and the players are forced to sign away any rights to dispute contract terms and terminate contracts if the player wants to. Also, when the clubs sign players they players do not always understand the contract terms and legal language. There seems to be limited legal assistance available because thse clubs make the contracts in such a way that it is legally hard for player to get out of contract. This is absolutely terrible because if the best Romanian talent can get opportunities in other better countries like France, UK etc how can they get out of a contracts if signed for 7 years lol!

It is no surprise ex players, administrators, and coaches etc want the administration in Romania Rugby Federation kicked out.

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Re: Romanian Rugby

Postby amz » Tue, 16 Apr 2019, 17:24

Not sure from where you heard that but I don't recall a contract of 7 years, I think 5 is the biggest I've heard but this is rare.

As for contract terms, here is the habit to consult a lawyer if you want to sign a contract. Also contracts with foreigners are bilingual otherwise may be easily annulled in court.

For getting released, usually the fees are small, 3k - 5k but not all clubs. This is because SL clubs pay some fees to junior clubs when they sign these young players and will probably be standardized 3k in near future. Rugby runs on money here you know.. sometimes there are delays in payments but now Timisoara don't have debts to players as far as I know. I didn't heard about the other clubs you mention. However, as rule, when a club don't pay a player for 3 months he can be released by filling a notification to the club and one to FRR. He retains the right to go in court and recover his debt until the moment he was released from contract by FRR.

What is your source?

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Re: Romanian Rugby

Postby Sick » Tue, 16 Apr 2019, 17:42

Caledor wrote:I see interesting results last round 10.

1. CSM Buchuresti 44 pts.
2. Timisoara - 40 pts.
3. Steaua Buchuresti - 38 pts.
4. CSM Baia Mare - 37 pts.
5. SCM Gloria Buzau - 15 pts.
6. Dinamo Buchuresti - 11 pts.
7. Cluj. - 7 pts.
8. AS Tomitanii Constanta - 5 pts.

1. What happens in the European Continental Shield if CSM Buchuresti win the league for this season 2018-19? Will they qualify for the 2019-20 European Continental Shield?

2. I see Timisoara beat Enisei STM of Russia in Leg 1 of European Continental Shield. If Timisoara beat Enisei STM in leg 2 what happen? Will they be in the European Challenge Cup 2019-20 season?

3. I hear there are financial troubles with players getting paid on time at CSM Baia Mare, Timisoara, CSM Buchuresti, AS Tomitanii Constanta? Why does this happen a lot?

4. Romanian contracting laws in rugby are absolutely shocking! I am hearing AS Tomitanii Constanta are signing Andrei Cabason (2nd line) both born 2000 from their youth team for 7 years!? How can this be legal? I have heard from Romanian players the clubs like Baia Mare, Tomitanii Constanta an some others there put contract terms which exploit the players and the players are forced to sign away any rights to dispute contract terms and terminate contracts if the player wants to. Also, when the clubs sign players they players do not always understand the contract terms and legal language. There seems to be limited legal assistance available because thse clubs make the contracts in such a way that it is legally hard for player to get out of contract. This is absolutely terrible because if the best Romanian talent can get opportunities in other better countries like France, UK etc how can they get out of a contracts if signed for 7 years lol!

It is no surprise ex players, administrators, and coaches etc want the administration in Romania Rugby Federation kicked out.


1. How are 1,2,3 and 4 related to the administration in the Romanian Rugby Federation? Not their job to provide free legal counsel for players, or take care of how clubs spend their money or treat their players. It is also not in the Federations control who gets invited into Continental Shield/Challenge Cup, or who wins what games. There is a period of time after the player can leave if he wasn't paid, Think it's 2,5 months or something. I have never heard of a 7 year contract. If that is true that is ridiculous. The Federation sucks but not for these reasons.
2. Most teams financed by town halls are sometimes slow in paying teams/players, usually this time of year when they get their budget and need to allocate the money. The only team I know has financial problems for a fact are Timisoara. Their financial problems are payment delays to the players which tend to be frequent. The reason for this in unknown to me.
About points 1&2 in your post, I have no clue. If Timisoara stays in Challenge by beating Enisey I doubt a spot will open for another Romanian team in Continental Shield, which I would like very much.

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Re: Romanian Rugby

Postby Bogdan_DC » Wed, 17 Apr 2019, 07:15

7 years !?, that's pure fantasy sorry. The longest contract i heard in Romanian rugby is 4 years.

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Re: Romanian Rugby

Postby dans » Wed, 17 Apr 2019, 14:34

7yrs!...the contract has to be really good in value in money now and as a seasonal future forecast, for somebody to sign for that long time...but hey, between 2 consenting adults anything can be agreed...the assumption of both parties, is that you know what you do!
It must be a mis-understanding somewhere.

If a player is over 17 then a professional work contract can be agreed if the parents/or responsible person also give their accord. The contracts for the over 17's can only be done for 2 years at a time and even if it is for a longer period, it will expire when the player finish their junior period (age turned 20). From there on, a professional work contract has to be prepared or continue as an amator player probably for other club.

It is true that a player can have a contract with a club and also can have an additional contract with FRR.

In case of litigation related to breach of contract, the FRR contract template has an entry that states the 2 parties agree to not defer ruling to civil law until all sports relations agencies were consulted for mitigation...but that's common in sport.
The player can be represented by an agent licensed according to WR & FRR rules, or a lawyer/solicitor that practised for at least 2 years. As the contract is negotiated between player / club according to Romanian Civil Law + FRR guidance rules, it allows the agent and/or lawyer to participate in negotiations as the legal representative of the player.

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Re: Romanian Rugby

Postby victorsra » Tue, 23 Apr 2019, 09:24

Chilean Rugby Union confirmed Chile-Romania match on June 8th. Well, this means Romania will definitly visit Brazil.... one match on the 15th? Maybe two, 22nd as well?

BTW, Spain plays Brazil on the 8th, Chile on the 15th and Uruguay on the 22nd.
Brazilian Rugby News: www.portaldorugby.com.br

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Re: Romanian Rugby

Postby Bogdan_DC » Tue, 23 Apr 2019, 10:15

victorsra wrote:Chilean Rugby Union confirmed Chile-Romania match on June 8th. Well, this means Romania will definitly visit Brazil.... one match on the 15th? Maybe two, 22nd as well?

BTW, Spain plays Brazil on the 8th, Chile on the 15th and Uruguay on the 22nd.


We will play Brazil also, one game. I dont know the date.

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Re: Romanian Rugby

Postby dans » Tue, 23 Apr 2019, 13:22

After Chile game, ideally for Romania would be Brazil on the 15th June and ArgentinaXV on the 22nd June....but somehow I don't think ArgentinaXV would bother!...More likely an Argentinian Club from around Buenos Aires (only 3 h flight from Sao Paulo and good connection back to Europe from both locations)

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Re: Romanian Rugby

Postby dans » Mon, 13 May 2019, 12:34

Semifinal stage in the Romanian pro rugby competion - end of the week - Sat 18-May:
1. CSM Bucuresti - CSA Steaua Bucuresti (12:00h local time)
2. Timisoara Saracens - CSM Stiinta Baia Mare (16:30h)

The winners will play in the final for the SuperLiga CEC Bank 2019 Championship.
(both games will be shown live on: https://www.rugbytv.ro/)

Also games in the play-out semifinals with:
3. ACS Tomitanii Constanta - CS Universitatea Cluj
4. SCM Gloria Buzau - CS Dinamo Bucuresti

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Same day Sat 18th May - The Final of the Second National Division - Divizia Nationala de Seniori (DNS):
Clubul Sportiv Navodari - STIINTA PETROSANI (14:00h)
(live on https://www.rugbytv.ro/)

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Re: Romanian Rugby

Postby dans » Sat, 18 May 2019, 22:24

Today SuperLiga semifinal results:
CSM Bucuresti - CSA Steaua Bucuresti 15-22 (3-9)
(surprising but deserved victory for Steaua; CSM did not turn up today)

Timisoara Saracens - CSM Stiinta Baia Mare 30-35 (13-21)
(very good game with a lot of intensity, physical, 3-5 try score / Baia Mare started well and Timisoara fought hard
to stay in touch. Got close but not close enough in the end. Baia Mare are on a good run and probably
favourites for the title next week)

So, for the Romanian 2018-2019 SuperLiga CEC Bank Title next Saturday 25th May 15:30h)
CSM Stiinta Baia Mare - Steaua Bucuresti

(For bronz medals: Timisoara Saracens - CSM Bucuresti next Saturday 11:00h)


play-out semifinals results:
ACS Tomitanii Constanta - CS Universitatea Cluj 22-40
SCM Gloria Buzau - CS Dinamo Bucuresti 11-16
(surprising victory for CS U Cluj at Tomitanii Constanta, who played really well against Timisoara a few weeks back)

Clasament games next Sunday 26th May:
no 5-6 standing: CS Univ Cluj - CS Dinamo Bucuresti
no 7-8 standing: SCM Gloria Buzau - ACS Tomitanii Constanta


DNS (Divizia Nationala de Seniori) Final - second tier national league
Clubul Sportiv Navodari - STIINTA PETROSANI 23-17 (13-0)
(Won by Navodari with a try in the last seconds of the game)
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Re: Romanian Rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Mon, 20 May 2019, 18:17

Undoubtedly good news for the competition to have an unexpected final.

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Re: Romanian Rugby

Postby dans » Tue, 21 May 2019, 09:57

Armchair Fan wrote:Undoubtedly good news for the competition to have an unexpected final.


Agree...I expect an exciting game...different style of play for the 2 teams.
Could be close, but I'll go for Baia Mare ...they managed to improve on speed in the second part of the season and probably slightly better bench than Steaua.

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Re: Romanian Rugby

Postby dans » Sat, 25 May 2019, 21:37

Today in the Romanian SuperLiga 2018-2019 Championship Final:
CSM Stiinta Baia Mare - Steaua Bucuresti 24-22 (7-3)
(try score: 3-3)

Baia Mare finally get their title!...Good game, although cautious by both teams to start with.
When the score became 24-10 with half an hour left, thought that's it. But after 3 Baia Mare yellow cards in
the second half, the game got close. It was the last game for Baia Mare of Georgian scrum half Bidzina Shamkardze (36yo)
who decided to retire after playing in Romania since 2006 (starting with Farul Constanta, Timisoara ending up with Stiinta Baia Mare)
Attendance was put by local media at ~2,200 spectators.

For the bronze medals in the opening match of the day:
Timisoara Saracens - CSM Bucuresti 19-20 (5-6)
(try score: 3-2)

Timisoara attacked more and had the first chance to win the game, with a couple of minutes on the clock;
CSM Bucuresti got the bronze medals with a 'penalty try' awarded with the last kick of the game.
In the absence of a TMO and proper video replay, some voices were questioning the referee decisions.

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Re: Romanian Rugby

Postby amz » Tue, 28 May 2019, 07:08

Romania A will play two matches with England Counties. The team called up is very young, more of an U23 side with many U20 graduates from this year (some are still with their U20 clubs).

Props:
George Ilincuta (Leeds Beckett University)
Marius Lungu (CSA Steaua)
Daniel Bumbac (CS Dinamo)
Laurentiu Nica (CSM Stiinta Baia Mare)

Hookers:
Darius Placintar (CS U Cluj)
Tudor Butnariu (CSA Steaua),

Locks:
Alin Toma (CSS 2 Baia Mare)
Marius Iftimiciuc (Timisoara Saracens)
Anton Radu (RC Barlad)
Silviu Gradinaru (CS Dinamo)
Stefan Iancu (CSM Bucuresti)

Backrow:
Marius Ferariu (CSS 2 CNE Baia Mare)
Andrei Iurea (CSM Stiinta Baia Mare)
Darius Vulturar (CSS 2 CNE Baia Mare)
Damian Stratila (CSA Steaua)
Alexandru Alexe (CSM Stiinta Baia Mare)
Ionut Donici (CT Dinicu Golescu)

Scrum-halves:
Vlad Bocanet (CS U Cluj)
Andrei Ballock (CS U Cluj)
Razvan Berbece (CS Stiinta Petrosani)

Fly-halfs
Danut Jipa (CSA Steaua)
Alexandru Harasim (CSS 2 Baia Mare)

Wings:
Eduard Carp (RC Andrezieux-Boutheon)
Andrei Mihalache (CSU Cluj)
George Iacob (CS Dinamo)
Ionut Coman (CS Tomitanii)

Centers:
Cristian Bumbac (CSA Steaua)
Ionut Balaban (CSM Stiinta Baia Mare)
Laurentiu Pocovnicu (ACS Tomitanii)
Eduard Bencea (CSA Steaua)

Fullback:
Vlad Leica (SCM Buzau)
Paul Popoaia (CSS 2 Baia Mare)

Staff:
Lynn Howell – Head Coach
Cosmin Ratiu – Forwards coach
William Moala – Backs coach

For South American tour, the senior squad have a lot of new names and likely some from Romania A may join:

Props:
Constantin PRISTĂVIȚĂ (CSM Stiinta Baia Mare)
Iulian HARȚIG (CSM Bucuresti)
Alexandru GORDAȘ (CSM Bucuresti)
Cosmin MANOLE (CS Dinamo)
Alexandru SAVIN (CSM Bucuresti)

Hookers:
Eugen CĂPĂȚÂNĂ (Timisoara Saracens)
Ovidiu COJOCARU (CSM Stiinta Baia Mare)

Locks:

Marius ANTONESCU (Colomiers)
Johan Van HEERDEN (Perpignan)
Ionuț MUREȘAN (Timisoara Saracens)

Backrow:
Dorin LAZĂR (Timisoara Saracens)
Cristi CHIRICA (CSM Stiinta Baia Mare)
Vlad NECULAU (Timisoara Saracens)
Adrian ION (CSM Bucuresti)
Mihai MACOVEI (Colomiers)

Scrum-half:
Florin SURUGIU (CSA Steaua)
Gabriel RUPANU (Timisoara Saracens)

Fly-half:
Tudor BOLDOR (CSA Steaua)
Daniel PLAI (CSA Steaua)

Wings:
Mihai LĂMBOIU (CSM Stiinta Baia Mare)
Nicolas ONUȚU (CSM Bucuresti)
Robert NEAGU (Steaua Bucuresti)

Centers:
Vlad POPA (Timisoara Saracens)
Taylor GONTINEAC (Clermont Espoirs)
Florin VLAICU (CSM Bucuresti)

Fullback:
Dorin MANOLE (CSM Stiinta Baia Mare)

You probably noticed a lot of known back players missing and this probably due to 7s squad which is under preparation for Grand Prix.

Romania A side is mostly made of kids, I expect a trashing from Counties especially in the backs.

Romania senior side is interesting, we see some new faces like Gontineac, Lamboiu, Neagu and some old guns having a come back like Manole, who was awesome for Baia Mare and helped them a lot to win the championship.

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Re: Romanian Rugby

Postby dans » Tue, 28 May 2019, 12:04

Not in the senior team for the South American tour:
A. Tarus (30) I.Badiu (30) A. Gorin (32), T. Fonovai (30), A. Motoc (23), V.Nistor (26), I Dumitru (27 - injury?), M. Simionescu (23 - injury?)

From the 15's squad and likely to be in the GP 7's team during June: I. Melinte (24), A. Bucur (25), A. Apostol(29), V. Zaharia (24), Alex Tigla (26).
I would have liked to see a couple from Fonovai, Lama, Manumua or Taliauli in the 7's team...Games vs Ire, Fra, Ita... some heavy load!...

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Re: Romanian Rugby

Postby amz » Tue, 28 May 2019, 12:58

Melinte is injured, he needs a surgery, he'll be out few months. I don't know about Simionescu, Dumitru or Motoc. Tarus, Gorin and Badiu will change clubs so he'll need time to settle, Nistor will be a father soon etc. You'll see many more names in 7s squads ;)

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Re: Romanian Rugby

Postby amz » Tue, 28 May 2019, 15:02

Update of U23 squad caused by last minute injuries (Super Liga and second division finals were last week-end) and maturity exams for some players who were initially called up. Howells will manage a kinder garden. There are also young players from 2nd Division or junior clubs marked with *

Props:
George Ilincuta (Leeds Beckett University)
Daniel Bumbac (CS Dinamo)
Rares Straja (U Cluj)
Ionut Platon (SCM Gloria Buzau)
George Moise (SCM Gloria Buzau)

Hookers:
Darius Placintar (CS U Cluj)
Sergiu Puescu (CS Metrorex)*

Locks:
Marius Iftimiciuc (Timisoara Saracens)
Silviu Gradinaru (CS Dinamo)
Stefan Iancu (CSM Bucuresti)
Andrei Toader (ACS Tomitanii)

Backrow:
Alexandru Alexe (CSM Stiinta Baia Mare)
Alin Ghearasim (Stiinta Petrosani)*
George Tatarus (Timisoara Saracens)
Robert Murariu (SCM Gloria Buzau)
Damian Ispas (RC Grivita)*

Scrum-halves:
Andrei Ballock (CS U Cluj)
Razvan Berbece (CS Stiinta Petrosani)*

Fly-Halves:
Raoul Paxaman (CNOPT)*
Ovidiu Sarpe (CS Dinamo)
Ovidiu Neagu (CSS Barlad)*

Centers:
Cristian Bumbac (CSA Steaua)
Ionut Balaban (CSM Stiinta Baia Mare)
Laurentiu Pocovnicu (ACS Tomitanii)
Sebastian Sirbu (ACS Tomitanii)

Wings:
Eduard Carp (RC Andrezieux-Boutheon)
Andrei Mihalache (CSU Cluj)
George Iacob (CS Dinamo)
Ionut Coman (CS Tomitanii)

Fundas:
Vlad Leica (SCM Buzau)

Howells - head coach

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Re: Romanian Rugby

Postby Thomas » Thu, 30 May 2019, 15:03

Are you sure that Romania A is playing England Counties? When is the match. According to the Press Release England Counties play Georgia on Friday, 7th June and Tuesday, 11 June.

No Press Release has been issued by England Rugby

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Re: Romanian Rugby

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Re: Romanian Rugby

Postby Thomas » Thu, 30 May 2019, 15:46

Armchair Fan wrote:It's England Counties U20:
https://twitter.com/EngCounties20s/stat ... 6119443456


Cheers, just found the link :

https://www.englandrugby.com/news/engla ... r-romania/

Looks like a strong squad.

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