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Re: Small news

Postby Canalina » Mon, 23 Sep 2019, 04:11

21 ranked men's national teams and 23 women's ones have still not played a test match in 2019 (according to my computations)

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41 TUNISIA
47 MOROCCO
52 TRINIDAD & TOBAGO
53 MADAGASCAR (should play in november's Africa Cup)
54 COOK
55 SENEGAL (should play in november's Africa Cup)
62 VENEZUELA (Sud Americano Mayor B/C, maybe?)
72 BOTSWANA (should play in november's Africa Cup)
77 PERU (Sud Americano Mayor B/C, maybe?)
79 ST VINCENT & GRENADINES (should play october 26)
82 TAHITI
83 BAHAMAS
89 ESWATINI
93 MAURITIUS (should play in november's Africa Cup)
96 RWANDA (should play in november's Africa Cup)
97 COSTA RICA (Sud Americano Mayor B/C, maybe?)
99 CAMEROON
101 MONACO
102 GREECE
104 VANUATU
105 AMERICAN SAMOA

Men's not ranked teams that have played a TM during 2019
BOLIVIA
BRITISH VIRGIN IS.
CURACAO
CYPRUS
DOMINICAN REP.
ESTONIA
GIBRALTAR
GUADELOUPE
JORDAN
LEBANON
MARTINIQUE
MONGOLIA
NAURU
QATAR
TURKEY
TURKS&CAICOS

St.Lucia should play october 26
Slovakia played games vs Zlin (Cze) and vs Czech Rep. U20

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Re: Small news

Postby Armchair Fan » Wed, 25 Sep 2019, 15:31

I know Scotland is not a Tier 2 nation, but... SRU released today an official figure of registered players, 36,207. World Rugby claimed in their Annual Report there were 46,050. That's a 22% difference :shock: :shock: :shock:

How the hell can we take World Rugby's report any seriously?

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Re: Small news

Postby Canalina » Wed, 25 Sep 2019, 16:13

You are too finicky! Everyone counting all the players -1, 2, 3, 4...- could make a ten thousands mistake

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Re: Small news

Postby Canalina » Sun, 29 Sep 2019, 03:46

Gibraltar v Bermuda 22-8

Cyprus ("A") v Bahrein (Club) 0-52

Bermuda is 69th in the world ranking, so Gibraltar showed to ideally deserve at least that position

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Re: Small news

Postby Canalina » Fri, 04 Oct 2019, 19:35

National team or club? It seems a national team, but we can't know if they are really all liechtensteiner. More or less two years ago they played versus the same Vorarlberg (Aut) with an italian girl as impact player :)

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Re: Small news

Postby RugbyLiebe » Sat, 05 Oct 2019, 10:21

There is only one club there, so a club game (some as in the Austrian state "Vorarlberg"). But they played 7s as the national team in July, so we might see a XVs side in the future.
How to grow rugby worldwide?
Look at the world ranking in July. Teams ranked 1-10 have to play one team from 11-20 (they don't play in a regular competition) away the next year. 11-20 play 21-30 away and so on. Yes, it really is that simple.

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Re: Small news

Postby Edgar » Thu, 10 Oct 2019, 09:35

The 2 teams have met previously.

10/11/2018 - Liechtenstein 36-46 Vorarlberg
14/10/2017 - Liechtenstein 33-34 Vorarlberg

Also:
18/05/2019 - Vorarlberg 36-58 Zürich/Liechtenstein

Liechtenstein rugby has no governing body but comes under the Swiss Rugby Federation, according to Wiki. There are two clubs, Lynx - which used to play in the Swiss 2nd division, and Vaduz. Presumably they combined for the above matches, which would make it a "national" team, unless foreign imports were used (unlikely). The tiny German-speaking principality of just under 40K, was going to take part in early European club competition but had to withdraw for lack of players. In 2013 Liechtenstein played in the FIRA sevens in Latvia, losing to Norway 34-0, Slovakia 26-10 and Estonia 29-15. Apparently Liechtenstein won a 10-a-side tournament also involving Germany and Austria, but details are a little sketchy.

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Re: Small news

Postby Edgar » Sun, 13 Oct 2019, 07:05

24-7 Voralberg. I got in touch with the Liechtenstein club(s) out of curiosity and was assured it was only a club game (despite the composite make-up of their team).

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Re: Small news

Postby iul » Sat, 02 Nov 2019, 07:33

https://www.bbc.com/sport/rugby-union/50262731

"There is also a chance Scotland may play Japan again in a Europe-based triangular tournament in the summer of 2021, possibly also involving Georgia and Romania."

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Re: Small news

Postby victorsra » Sat, 02 Nov 2019, 07:38

Triangular with 4 teams?
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Re: Small news

Postby ficcp » Tue, 12 Nov 2019, 18:37

Third international PAPEETE SEVENS in Tahiti

On october 18th and 19th took place the Sevens of Tahiti in the capital, Papeete. The champion was club Matamu´a Rapa Nui from Rapa Nui which had been present in the 2 previous editions. During the first day they defeated Papeete Club(26-7), RC Pirae(17-14) and Huahine Rugby Barbarians(24-10) to classify for semifinals . They had a confortable victory over As Arue Rugby by 14-0 in SF and they faced again RC Pirae in the final in a closer encounter winning by 17-7.
There were also women exhibition matches between the local team and the rapa Nui representatives.

This seven is one of the three organised in Polynesia in a circuit integrated by Cook Island´s Raro International Sevens and Rapa Nuis´s International Sevens.It is interesting to note that the distance from Papeete to Rapanui is 4230 kms. and to Cook Island 1155 kms.

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Re: Small news

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Re: Small news

Postby Edgar » Thu, 14 Nov 2019, 12:05

ficcp wrote:Third international PAPEETE SEVENS in Tahiti

On october 18th and 19th took place the Sevens of Tahiti in the capital, Papeete. The champion was club Matamu´a Rapa Nui from Rapa Nui which had been present in the 2 previous editions. During the first day they defeated Papeete Club(26-7), RC Pirae(17-14) and Huahine Rugby Barbarians(24-10) to classify for semifinals . They had a confortable victory over As Arue Rugby by 14-0 in SF and they faced again RC Pirae in the final in a closer encounter winning by 17-7.
There were also women exhibition matches between the local team and the rapa Nui representatives.

This seven is one of the three organised in Polynesia in a circuit integrated by Cook Island´s Raro International Sevens and Rapa Nuis´s International Sevens.It is interesting to note that the distance from Papeete to Rapanui is 4230 kms. and to Cook Island 1155 kms.


Interesting story. Thanks. Yes, Rapa Nui is closer to Chile than it is to Tahiti and actually fell out of contact with Tahiti for a few centuries at one time. If they ever reached South America there was no mention of it in their oral history, but strange things have happened on that island and who knows. The Rapa Nui (aka Easter Island & Pascua - pop. 5.7K) rugby team performs a Hoko dance before matches, btw.

Meanwhile, Argentina just won its third straight World Classic title in Bermuda, defeating South Africa 16-6 in the final.

Saturday 2nd

7:15pm Rugby Canada vs Rugby Italian XV (A) - Canada 22 / Italy 23 Canada suffer heartbreaking loss (RG coverage)

8:30pm Classic Pumas vs France Classic Rugby (B) - Pumas 40 / France 8 Argentina fire rivals signal of intent (RG coverage)

Monday 4th

7:15pm Ireland Rugby Legends vs USA Classic Eagles (C) - Ireland 25 / USA 8 Irish eyes smiling after marching on (RG coverage)

8:30pm Classic Lions vs Classic Springboks (D) - Lions 5 / Springboks 17 Springboks admit relief at taming Lions

Wednesday 6th

7:15pm Plate Semi Final: Canada vs France - Canada 5 / France 8

8:30pm Classic Semi Final: Italy vs Pumas - Italy 10 / Pumas16 Pumas remain on course for third straight title

Thursday 7th

7:15pm Plate Semi Final: USA 17 vs Lions 12

8:30pm Classic Semi Final: Ireland 7 vs Springboks 26 Springboks in the hunt for double

Saturday 9th

7:15pm Plate Final - USA 14 - France 7

8:30pm Classic Final - Pumas 16 - Springboks 6 Pumas in hat trick heaven


https://worldrugby.bm/index.php/schedule

Full report here: http://www.royalgazette.com/rugby/artic ... ick-heaven

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Re: Small news

Postby ficcp » Fri, 22 Nov 2019, 17:24

Edgar wrote:
ficcp wrote:Third international PAPEETE SEVENS in Tahiti

On october 18th and 19th took place the Sevens of Tahiti in the capital, Papeete. The champion was club Matamu´a Rapa Nui from Rapa Nui which had been present in the 2 previous editions. During the first day they defeated Papeete Club(26-7), RC Pirae(17-14) and Huahine Rugby Barbarians(24-10) to classify for semifinals . They had a confortable victory over As Arue Rugby by 14-0 in SF and they faced again RC Pirae in the final in a closer encounter winning by 17-7.
There were also women exhibition matches between the local team and the rapa Nui representatives.

This seven is one of the three organised in Polynesia in a circuit integrated by Cook Island´s Raro International Sevens and Rapa Nuis´s International Sevens.It is interesting to note that the distance from Papeete to Rapanui is 4230 kms. and to Cook Island 1155 kms.


Interesting story. Thanks. Yes, Rapa Nui is closer to Chile than it is to Tahiti and actually fell out of contact with Tahiti for a few centuries at one time. If they ever reached South America there was no mention of it in their oral history, but strange things have happened on that island and who knows. The Rapa Nui (aka Easter Island & Pascua - pop. 5.7K) rugby team performs a Hoko dance before matches, btw.

Rapa Nui integrates the state of Chile although they have strong cultural ties with polynesic islands which. These ties are clear in their oral traditions and similarities in the rapa-nui language with the native language of Tahiti, Hawai and other islands. The Rapa-Nui inhabitants hold chilean passport and the second language of the island is spanish. Many rapa-nui people live in continental Chile.

The story of Rapa Nui is full of strange situations (from a western point of view) which have conformed a complex reality :

a.- Population has suffered extreme ups and downs due to stable periods of high agricultural production, mixed with civil wars and kidnapping of men capable of work.
a.- History has been kept through oral tradition only, because the priests who were instructed to write and read their written language were brought into slavery to Peru where they died whithout transfering their special knowledge. There are written wooden tablets undeciphered yet.
b.- The island is a "text study" of ecologic breakdown: deforestation and also extreme exploitation of some sea resources. Overpopulation was the main reason behind the ecologic problems but also some natural limitations (see the book "Collapse", by Jared Diamond, 2005).
c.- The current population of 8k seems to be the maximum that the natural enviroment can resist. The Rapa-Nui descent inhabitants proposed a strong limitation to chilean non-rapa-nui and foreigners to establish on a permanent basis on the island, in order to stop the population growth.

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Re: Small news

Postby Edgar » Tue, 03 Dec 2019, 07:53

.- History has been kept through oral tradition only, because the priests who were instructed to write and read their written language were brought into slavery to Peru where they died whithout transfering their special knowledge. There are written wooden tablets undeciphered yet.


Also because Polynesians did not have a written language prior to the arrival of Europeans. I have a theory that explorers from that island reached South America (more than plausible), interacted with the locals, and this terrified the elders so much they placed a tapu on further expeditions - and all mention of the subject - so that it was eventually forgotten. Maybe the tapu came from the high priest on Tahiti, and all canoes destroyed and trees chopped down just to make sure.

Meanwhile, another fascinating piece from the Tier 2 Rugby blog site: http://tier2rugby.blogspot.com/

In total (unless we are missing somebody) 41 nations have had at least one homegrown player play in one of the sport's four major leagues, with 29 of those (including Japan with the Sunwolves for one last season) with at least one of those players currently active in one of them.

The Top 14 has been by a long way the top level league that has provided most opportunity for players from various different nations. 39 of those 41 nations have had a homegrown player feature in the Top 14 (only exceptions on this list are Kenya and UAE), compared to 29 in the Premiership, 25 in the Pro14, and only 20 in Super Rugby (who outside the Sunwolves Georgian and Jaguares Spanish player have never featured a homegrown player from continental Europe besides France).

This has long been true and shown in this current season as well. As of writing the Top 14 has 86 players born and raised in 15 different countries outside Tier 1 (and that is not including players like Takeshi Hino or Evrard Oulai who have played in the league this year but departed mid-season). By comparison the Premiership has 28 players across 10 countries, Pro14 had 16 players across 5 countries.


One of the best tier 3 players I ever saw in action was hulking Kazakhstan No 8 Timur Masharov, a veritable Zinzan Brooke lookalike who formed a devastating combination with Anton Rudoy in the back row and led his country to the World Cup qualifying repechages ifor 2011 (after finishing 2nd in Asia to Japan). I don't think he ever played in a professional league, however, whereas Rudoy played in Russia (still does?). Last I heard of Masharov he was coaching the Kazakhs. Madagascar flyhalf Joe Rakoko is another. He spent a season playing lower division rugby in France - but nowhere near Top 14 level. I've heard that players from that island have great difficulty making the adjustment.

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