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Re: Rugby in Uruguay

Postby welshdragon2000 » Tue, 25 Sep 2018, 13:35

Arata to the Sabercats. Any links on who the others are headed to?

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Re: Rugby in Uruguay

Postby Tobar » Tue, 25 Sep 2018, 13:47

Not sure. Heard from some folks here that Texas teams will have a few Uruguayans so maybe Austin could also get one. I reckon Glendale may end up with some after the Americas combine taking place in their backyard. Everyone's invited but they're playing in Glendale's stadium against Glendale. Glendale is in need of a lock.

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Re: Rugby in Uruguay

Postby NaBUru38 » Tue, 25 Sep 2018, 14:59

Nice!

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Re: Rugby in Uruguay

Postby NaBUru38 » Tue, 25 Sep 2018, 15:49

2018 Uruguayan Rugby Championship - regular season final standings:

1. Old Christians, 81 pts (17-3)
2. Trébol de Paysandú, 80 (16-4)
3. Carrasco Polo, 76 (15-5)
4. Old Boys, 72 (15-5)
5. Cricket, 65 (14-6)
6. Cuervos, 48 (10-10)
7. PSG, 46 (10-10)
8. Ceibos, 33 (5-15)
9. Champagnat, 20 (3-17)
10. Seminario, 17 (3-17)
11. Lobos de Punta del Este, 14 (2-18)

- o -

Quarter-finals (Sept 29 - Oct 7):

o- Carrasco Polo - Cuervos
o- Old Boys - Cricket

Semifinals (Oct 20-28):

o- Old Christians and Trébol await for rivals.

Final (November 3)

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Re: Rugby in Uruguay

Postby victorsra » Tue, 25 Sep 2018, 16:07

Is there relegation?
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Re: Rugby in Uruguay

Postby qwerty » Tue, 25 Sep 2018, 16:51

victorsra wrote:Is there relegation?


No relegation. There is only one major division. There is another championship with clubs from the interior (there are two clubs from the interior in the top championship as well) but no way to get promoted.

The interior is pretty much virgin lands. It's the same in football, there are very few clubs actually competing with the big guys.

I believe URU could take advantage of this. If the clubs from the interior could manage to compete with the big clubs then going to see your city's club play in the league could become a popular activity, generating inter-city rivalries and all that. But there's no money to do that.

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Re: Rugby in Uruguay

Postby carbonero » Tue, 25 Sep 2018, 16:53

Around 15 Uruguayan players will move to MLR > https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/el ... 8925133015

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Re: Rugby in Uruguay

Postby qwerty » Tue, 25 Sep 2018, 17:03

carbonero wrote:Around 15 Uruguayan players will move to MLR > https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/el ... 8925133015


If this is true we'd be able to field a fully professional outfit, not talking about the URU contracts, but actually playing for professional clubs. Who'd have thought in 2015 that this would be happening by the next RWC?
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Re: Rugby in Uruguay

Postby qwerty » Tue, 25 Sep 2018, 17:04

https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/de ... 1891419395

Article on the progress of works on Charrua Stadium.

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Re: Rugby in Uruguay

Postby welshdragon2000 » Tue, 25 Sep 2018, 17:47

carbonero wrote:Around 15 Uruguayan players will move to MLR > https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/el ... 8925133015

Is there any way of translating this article?

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Re: Rugby in Uruguay

Postby Blurandski » Tue, 25 Sep 2018, 17:55

welshdragon2000 wrote:
carbonero wrote:Around 15 Uruguayan players will move to MLR > https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/el ... 8925133015

Is there any way of translating this article?


'About 15 players of the Uruguayan national team will go in December to play a season in Major League Rugby, the new professional league of the United States, within the framework of a professional insertion strategy of the Uruguayan Rugby Union (URU) and an agreement with USA Rugby.

The first three players from Los Teros Santiago Arata, Ignacio Dotti and Andrés Vilaseca will sign their contracts with teams from the new league, which had its first edition last year. Arata's team will be the Houston Saber Cats, while those of Vilaseca and Dotti have not yet been announced, reported journalist Agustín Basso on Monday.

But in addition, more than 10 players have projected to join the MLR in the 2018/2019 season, which will run from December to June. Some will do so by solving their contracts directly with the clubs, while others will be part of a special draft of South American players, in which players from Chile and Brazil will also participate.



This is one more step in the professionalization strategy of the main Uruguayan players. This year, for the first time, 15 players signed a professional contract with the URU, and train daily at the Charrúa Centre, with the aim of climbing one step in preparation and performance. After two consecutive rankings, Los Teros' objective is to establish itself among the group of World Cup countries and continue to climb steps in the second tier (Tier2). Today they are ranked 18th in the world.

Read also: Professional rugby is coming to South America

The idea is that almost all of the 15 players hired this year by the URU go abroad, and that some of the players who come in the next step, who are part of Los Teros or Uruguay XV (second selected celestial) but have not yet signed a contract and therefore do not have full time dedication. At the same time, some of the current professionals will surely not travel because of their other labor obligations in Uruguay.


The main problem that these players were having was the lack of competition, since the official selection matches ended in June after the Nations Cup. From that date until here they played three friendlies (against Rosario, Cordoba and Brazil) and will return to the field for the Americas Pacific Challenge in October, and for the November international window. From the technical staff it was decided not to play anymore for their clubs, since it is understood that the differences in the level of play are very high with the local environment.


The blues will travel to Europe to play with Cardiff Blues on Tuesday, November 6, against Ireland's Ulster on Friday, November 9, against Fiji on Saturday, November 17, and against Romania on Saturday, November 24. It will be one of the most demanding tours in the history of Uruguayan rugby, in which it will face two professional clubs, a World Cup team like Fiji (10th in the world) and Romania, which qualified on the court but was disqualified due to irregularities in the line-up of players.


In the long term, the plan is that from 2020 these players will be the spearhead of the Uruguayan franchises that will be part of the new professional South American League. However, until now there was a gap of competitions that will come to fill those six months of competition in Major League Rugby.

Once the U.S. tournament is over, the players will return to the national team to face the final stretch towards the 2019 World Cup in Japan in September.

In between, in February and March, will be the Americas Rugby Championship. The idea is that the players who make up the MLR alternate to defend Los Teros in some matches, but not in all matches so as not to affect their clubs.

More opportunities

With these main players signing new contracts with clubs in the United States, the idea is that the URU's professional plan will be extended to young players who are now members of Uruguay XV, and who are in competition to reach the World Cup. If that is fulfilled, Uruguay could reach the World Cup with 100% of its professional players, an unprecedented fact.

Major League Rugby had a very positive first edition, and for the second it will have two new teams: Rugby United New York and Ontario Arrows, from Canada. The league needs the incorporation of foreign players, to the point that, as reported by Americas Rugby News, will increase its quota of foreign players from five to 10 players.

Global strategy

At the same time, Uruguay, as well as Brazil and Chile, need the insertion of professionals in different tournaments. In this sense, the new president of South America Rugby, the former president of the URU Sebastián Piñeyrúa, and the vice-president of World Rugby Agustín Pichot, who also recently became a member of the board of USA Rugby, have been key.

With respect to the South American League, efforts are very advanced to establish two Uruguayan franchises with the following names: Nacional y Peñarol'

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Re: Rugby in Uruguay

Postby Blurandski » Tue, 25 Sep 2018, 18:19

qwerty wrote:
carbonero wrote:Around 15 Uruguayan players will move to MLR > https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/el ... 8925133015


If this is true we'd be able to field a fully professional outfit, not talking about the URU contracts, but actually playing for professional clubs. Who'd have thought in 2015 that this would be happening by the next RWC?


From 2003, getting smacked 111-13 by England, and 60-13 by Samoa, then not qualifying for two editions, and being the 'plucky' amateur underdogs in the hardest RWC pool ever in 2015, it really has been an amazing turnaround to potentially become fully pro, and besting Canada twice in a row.

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Re: Rugby in Uruguay

Postby welshdragon2000 » Tue, 25 Sep 2018, 18:21

Thanks. This is very exciting for Uruguay, and will boost them massively for the world cup next year. If everything can be sustained in the MLR and with the URU pro contracts etc. it'd be interesting to see how much Uruguay, USA and Canada have improved by 2023.

My prediction is that in 2023 (should everything continue as they seem) there will be very little between the sides ranked 10-18. Hoping USA can challenge top 10, Uruguay get to 15th and Canada to show signs of improvement, professionalism and promise.

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Re: Rugby in Uruguay

Postby Tobar » Tue, 25 Sep 2018, 19:42

Hell, I was happy to see just 3 Uruguayans in MLR, this is huge news.

welshdragon2000 wrote:My prediction is that in 2023 (should everything continue as they seem) there will be very little between the sides ranked 10-18. Hoping USA can challenge top 10, Uruguay get to 15th and Canada to show signs of improvement, professionalism and promise.


I would very much like this. Anyone ranked after 18 is certainly improving at a much slower rate but at the very least we can create a lot more competitiveness for 10-18 (aka Tier 1a/2). Even if Canada only has 1 team in MLR that should still help them with quite a lot of their issues. They can also have players sign with US MLR clubs as well.

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Re: Rugby in Uruguay

Postby thatrugbyguy » Tue, 25 Sep 2018, 22:37

Wow, 15 players in MLR means Uruguay will be effectively fully professional come next September. Along with the South American pro-league these two competitions could really turn the whole Americas into a competitive rugby region. Hopefully MLR and the South Am Pro League work together, a strong Americas region is beneficial to everyone.

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Re: Rugby in Uruguay

Postby victorsra » Tue, 25 Sep 2018, 23:13

I know LAR guys want a tournament against the best MLR teams.
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Re: Rugby in Uruguay

Postby Working Class Rugger » Wed, 26 Sep 2018, 00:01

victorsra wrote:I know LAR guys want a tournament against the best MLR teams.


Their own version of the Champions Cup would be pretty great.

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Re: Rugby in Uruguay

Postby Tobar » Wed, 26 Sep 2018, 00:17

thatrugbyguy wrote:Wow, 15 players in MLR means Uruguay will be effectively fully professional come next September. Along with the South American pro-league these two competitions could really turn the whole Americas into a competitive rugby region. Hopefully MLR and the South Am Pro League work together, a strong Americas region is beneficial to everyone.


If I read the article correctly, it is saying that MLR clubs will pay the players so Uruguay will continue the training squad for the next 15 players at home. 15 will be in MLR and 15 will continue to practice with the HP program in Montevideo so they will be fully professional.

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Re: Rugby in Uruguay

Postby qwerty » Wed, 26 Sep 2018, 00:35

Tobar wrote:
thatrugbyguy wrote:Wow, 15 players in MLR means Uruguay will be effectively fully professional come next September. Along with the South American pro-league these two competitions could really turn the whole Americas into a competitive rugby region. Hopefully MLR and the South Am Pro League work together, a strong Americas region is beneficial to everyone.


If I read the article correctly, it is saying that MLR clubs will pay the players so Uruguay will continue the training squad for the next 15 players at home. 15 will be in MLR and 15 will continue to practice with the HP program in Montevideo so they will be fully professional.


So potentially a fully professional squad for the RWC.

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Re: Rugby in Uruguay

Postby thatrugbyguy » Wed, 26 Sep 2018, 00:37

Working Class Rugger wrote:
victorsra wrote:I know LAR guys want a tournament against the best MLR teams.


Their own version of the Champions Cup would be pretty great.


I think for the moment it would be best to just have the two champions of each league play each other, alternating who hosts each year. Schedule each league so they finish on the same weekend, then have the continental championship game 2 weeks later.

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Re: Rugby in Uruguay

Postby thatrugbyguy » Wed, 26 Sep 2018, 00:43

Tobar wrote:If I read the article correctly, it is saying that MLR clubs will pay the players so Uruguay will continue the training squad for the next 15 players at home. 15 will be in MLR and 15 will continue to practice with the HP program in Montevideo so they will be fully professional.


We saw how much the US improved with only one year of MLR. What's super important now is how well they play at the World Cup. If Uruguay can produce some good performances and they are super competitive then the case is going to be made for more high profile matches, especially against the Pumas. It would be wonderful for South American rugby if there was a genuine contest between the two countries. Argentina have dominated for so long, anything to change that will be good.

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Re: Rugby in Uruguay

Postby qwerty » Wed, 26 Sep 2018, 01:21

An anual game against the Pumas would be so great for our rugby. Our "rivalry" with Argentina encompasses all fieles, so it would probably get a decent following. It should be in Centenario Stadium.

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Re: Rugby in Uruguay

Postby victorsra » Wed, 26 Sep 2018, 01:32

thatrugbyguy wrote:
Working Class Rugger wrote:
victorsra wrote:I know LAR guys want a tournament against the best MLR teams.


Their own version of the Champions Cup would be pretty great.


I think for the moment it would be best to just have the two champions of each league play each other, alternating who hosts each year. Schedule each league so they finish on the same weekend, then have the continental championship game 2 weeks later.


Well it would be the cheapest, easist and most logical thing to do. Champion vs champion.
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Re: Rugby in Uruguay

Postby TheStroBro » Wed, 26 Sep 2018, 04:47

qwerty wrote:An anual game against the Pumas would be so great for our rugby. Our "rivalry" with Argentina encompasses all fieles, so it would probably get a decent following. It should be in Centenario Stadium.

Get in line for your annual drubbing behind us! :D

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Re: Rugby in Uruguay

Postby thatrugbyguy » Wed, 26 Sep 2018, 08:24

qwerty wrote:An anual game against the Pumas would be so great for our rugby. Our "rivalry" with Argentina encompasses all fieles, so it would probably get a decent following. It should be in Centenario Stadium.


And I think Argentina would probably welcome it. In fact long term it wouldn't surprise me if that's what they would want to happen. Would be great both both countries if Uruguay get to a competitive level so a proper rivalry can build and an annual match scheduled each year. We'll know more next year. I'm actually pretty confident they'll really challenge teams in Pool D. They may not win any games, but I think they are going to do much better than they did in 2015.

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