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Re: Last countries without rugby

Postby victorsra » Thu, 19 Mar 2020, 18:18

victorsra wrote:UPDATE OF COUNTRIES THAT AREN'T MEMBERS OF WORLD RUGBY OR THE 6 CONTINENTAL UNIONS

List of IOC-eligible countries

Former continental unions members:

EUROPE: Greece (suspended), Armenia (dissolved/suspended)

NORTH AMERICA: St. Kitts and Nevis (unclear)

AFRICA: Mauritania (suspended)

ASIA: Cambodia (suspended)

FORMER FIRA: North Korea (out in 1997)


Countries with Arab Rugby Federation membership (non-World Rugby member) https://www.yallarugby.com/arab-rugby-f ... dubai-uae/

AFRICA: Sudan, Libya

ASIA: Iraq, Palestine


Countries working with sports organizations (continental unions, NOCs, Sports Ministries...)

EUROPE: Kosovo

AFRICA: Cape Verde, Ethiopia, Comoros

ASIA: Vietnam

OCEANIA: Kiribati (Get Into Rugby)


Countries with active national teams in the past 10 years - 7s at least

EUROPE: Albania (2010)

NORTH AMERICA: Aruba (2019), US Virgin Islands (2016), Haiti (2015), Puerto Rico (2012?), Cuba (2010?)


Countries with rugby clubs but no national team in the past 10 years

ASIA: Myanmar, Bhutan, Tajikstan, Kuwait, Oman, Bahrain, Timor Leste

AFRICA: Angola, Gambia, Liberia, South Sudan, Djibouti, Guiné Bissau, Equatorial Guinea, Somalia

NORTH AMERICA: Antigua & Barbuda

EUROPE: North Macedonia

OCEANIA: Micronesia, Palau



Countries with at least active beach rugby

ASIA: Maldives


Countries without active rugby (no references)

ASIA: Yemen, Turkmenistan*;

AFRICA: Eritrea, São Tomé and Príncipe;

NORTH AMERICA (RAN zone): Suriname*, Grenada, Dominica;

OCEANIA: Marshall Islands ;

*Not sure

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Non-IOC-eligible territories (included countries with disputed recognition)

Countries with active national teams in the past 10 years - 7s at least


EUROPE: Gibraltar, Jersey, Guernsey

OCEANIA: Tokelau


Territories recognised by the French Rugby Federation


NORTH AMERICA: Saint Martin, Saint Barthélemy, Saint Pierre & Miquelon

AFRICA: Mayotte, Reunion


With rugby clubs but no national team in the past 10 years

EUROPE: Northern Cyprus, Transnistria, Åland, Isle of Man, Alderney, Sark

NORTH AMERICA: Anguilla, Bonaire, Saint Martin, Saint Barthélemy, Saint Pierre & Miquelon, Greenland (tag/touch indoor rugby)

OCEANIA: Northern Marianas, Bougainville (independence process)


Without active rugby (no references)

EUROPE: Vatican**, Faroe Islands, Artsakh, Abkhazia*, South Ossetia*

NORTH AMERICA: Montserat, Sint Maarten, Saba, Sint Eustatius

AFRICA: Western Sahara, Somaliland, Saint Helena & Dependencies

OCEANIA: Norfolk Island, Christmas Island, Cocos Islands, Pitcairn Islands

SOUTH AMERICA: Falkland Islands*


*Not sure about local rugby scene

**Could be IOC-member but it isn't




Updated with Somalia
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Re: Last countries without rugby

Postby Chester-Donnelly » Thu, 19 Mar 2020, 20:21

Countries without rugby. Right now, probably every country.

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Re: Last countries without rugby

Postby Edgar » Thu, 19 Mar 2020, 21:26

So I've just been chatting with the guy operating the Palmerians Facebook page in Syria and he says the final was postponed indefinitely due to the Corona Virus. The match in the photographs was only a championship fixture - not the final. He says AIU Alphas defeated IUST Palmerians 31-28 with a late penalty. It was in fact a derby with both teams based in the small city of Ghabaghib - Alphas at the Arab International University; Palmerians at the International University of Science & Technology. The other two clubs involved in the championship are Zenobians of Damascus and Titans from Suwaida. Thus all four teams are based in the south of the country. Rugby Asia has a page or two devoted to Syrian rugby and covers the topic well. Syria were apparently scheduled to compete with Lebanon & Jordan in the Asia Division III West tournament in April, though I think it safe to assume that too has been postponed. The site also mentions that Syria last year became the 136th country in the world to make its international debut in women's 7s: https://www.rugbyasia247.com/syrian-rug ... ship-2020/

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Re: Last countries without rugby

Postby victorsra » Sat, 21 Mar 2020, 15:33

I've look at every single year of the Soviet competitions here http://www.rugbyarchive.net/Pagine/Over ... spx?ID=405

I found a Tajik club playing the Soviet championship in 1938!

Wikipedia says also that Turkmenistan but I never saw any reference to rugby there in any source and they haven't fielded a team in Soviet times....

In the other hand Baku (Azerbaijan) and Yerevan (Armenia) had pretty active rugby teams in the Soviet Union.
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Re: Last countries without rugby

Postby Edgar » Sat, 21 Mar 2020, 21:30

victorsra wrote:I've look at every single year of the Soviet competitions here http://www.rugbyarchive.net/Pagine/Over ... spx?ID=405

I found a Tajik club playing the Soviet championship in 1938!

Wikipedia says also that Turkmenistan but I never saw any reference to rugby there in any source and they haven't fielded a team in Soviet times....

In the other hand Baku (Azerbaijan) and Yerevan (Armenia) had pretty active rugby teams in the Soviet Union.


Interesting to see Minsk involved in the inaugural Soviet Champs in 1936 as well, even if they were cannon fodder for the other teams. Their debut the previous season was apparently much closer - a 6-0 loss to Moscow. Belarus made its international debut in the ENC development series 6 years ago, taking a 58-12 pasting from Estonia in Tallinn. To put that into perspective, Turkey flogged Estonia 49-5 in 2012! Belarus appeared to show some improvement in 2016, losing to Slovakia 27-19, but were also hammered by Montenegro 45-19, also in Tallinn. But I'm not sure they have played since, and presumably they have yet to host an international match. They were down to participate in this year's ENC development series but hadn't taken the field before the tournament was postponed by the Corona Virus. Wiki states there is just one club, in the capital Minsk, though I found another on Facebook. There was talk some years ago of including Minsk in Russian competition but apparently this did not go ahead. Meanwhile, they have been active in European 7s and snow rugby. Belarus has around 10 million people, Minsk about 2 million.

Reported 2 years ago:

Since April 15, Kokorin starts working as a playing coach of the Dynamo (Minsk) team. His agreement is designed for 3 years. President of Belarus Alexander Lukashenko, annoyed with the unsuccessful game of hockey players of the Minsk "Dynamo", who did not qualify for the playoffs of the Continental Hockey League, turned his attention to rugby. It is planned that in 2019, "Dynamo" will play in the Russian rugby championship among the teams of the Higher League, and in the future will join the list of teams representing the Super League. It is already known that the budget of Minskers will be at the level of teams that are fighting for getting into the top three. In addition, the forward of "Slavs" Ilya Osminko is leaving for Belarus. He will work in Dynamo coach for the attacker.

rugby-slava.ru/news/roman-kokorin-stanet-igrayushhim-trenerom-minskogo-dinamo/

Oleg Iscchenko is a French prop of Belorussian descent competing in Pro D2: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oleg_Ishchenko

2017 Youtube report (Russian): https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_cont ... e=emb_logo

8 teams participated in the Minsk Championships in the mid-1930s:

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Re: Last countries without rugby

Postby victorsra » Sat, 21 Mar 2020, 21:52

And the clubs from Tashkent (Uzbekistan) were pretty involved as well in the Soviet competitions.

About Tajikstan, I guess Dushambe were an important city due to geopolitics, near Afghan border...

The only republics absent from national competitions during USSR (using that source) are: Estonia, Kyrgyzstan and Turkmenistan. But they might have had rugby. Georgian and Russian posters could help us with this.

8 teams participated in the Minsk Championships in the mid-1930s:

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Amazing. For the other republics, regional sources would give a proper idea if they were just absent from national level or if rugby was realy not played.
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Re: Last countries without rugby

Postby Canalina » Sun, 22 Mar 2020, 06:16

victorsra wrote:Russian posters could help us with this.

Hmm, better not, or they will start to say that the missed participation of a turkmen team in the Soviet championship is a clear conspiracy by Mi6 and a result of the US military occupation of West Europe and that the 7th day Putin created God and Jesus and all the Things of the world, included the birds, the fruits and the cristalline water in His infinity kindness!

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Re: Last countries without rugby

Postby FLIDTA RISXVA » Sun, 22 Mar 2020, 11:48

PEARL from my web-library's NUCLEUS >> http://biblio.qaflan.net/

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* We need'a rugby * = complete story of Soviet rugby in Stalin era
written by Yuri *KRNR* Lobanov of Volgograd

>> http://biblio.qaflan.net/ABLABUDA/2019_ ... -REGBI.pdf

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As for 15 SOVIET republics
since revival of rugby
in 1957 -- up to 1991

* Abandoned | stopped playing (3)

Belarus -- early 1960s
Azerbaijan -- mid 1970s
Armenia -- mid 1980s

** Not played at all (4)

Estonia
Turkmenistan
Kyrgizistan -- albeit SOV Cup pool was staged there in 1988
Tojikinston

*** Still playing at SOV demise (8)

Russia
Georgia
Ukraine

Kazahstan
Uzbekiston

Latvia
Lithuania
Moldova

3 + 4 + 8 = 15

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Re: Last countries without rugby

Postby Canalina » Sun, 22 Mar 2020, 13:27

Those eight last nations are the same currently in the World Ranking
Georgia 12, Russia 20, Ukraine 36, Lithuania 44, Moldova 59, Kazakhstan 62, Latvia 63, Uzbekistan 89

The other seven are not ranked

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Re: Last countries without rugby

Postby victorsra » Sun, 22 Mar 2020, 15:04

FLIDTA RISXVA wrote:PEARL from my web-library's NUCLEUS >> http://biblio.qaflan.net/

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* We need'a rugby * = complete story of Soviet rugby in Stalin era
written by Yuri *KRNR* Lobanov of Volgograd

>> http://biblio.qaflan.net/ABLABUDA/2019_ ... -REGBI.pdf

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As for 15 SOVIET republics
since revival of rugby
in 1957 -- up to 1991

* Abandoned | stopped playing (3)

Belarus -- early 1960s
Azerbaijan -- mid 1970s
Armenia -- mid 1980s

** Not played at all (4)

Estonia
Turkmenistan
Kyrgizistan -- albeit SOV Cup pool was staged there in 1988
Tojikinston

*** Still playing at SOV demise (8)

Russia
Georgia
Ukraine

Kazahstan
Uzbekiston

Latvia
Lithuania
Moldova

3 + 4 + 8 = 15

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Thank you, already downloaded :) Don't read cyrillic, but I'll try to translate. Awesome work.

Anyway, ( according to http://www.rugbyarchive.net/Pagine/Stag ... gione=1938 ) Dinamo Stalinbad played the 1938 Soviet Championship. Stalinbad = Dushambe (Tajikstan), right?
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Re: Last countries without rugby

Postby FLIDTA RISXVA » Sun, 22 Mar 2020, 16:41

Yes, played just ONE match in 1938 -- that qualifier | eliminator at home

A year earlier -- 1937 -- they have missed Cities' Match on order of
the Republic's *public enemy* sports head -- who soon was shot in PURGES

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Tojikinston was the strangest phenomenon in Soviet times --
the only Persian nation -- contrary to many Turkish neighbors

Until 1929 they were denied basic right of having republic --
included as autonomy into Uzbekiston, albeit culturally they were much superior

They somehow managed to convince *Papa Joe* and got raise in status --
in gratitude Do-shambe (means 'Monday') was renamed into Stalin-abad (-town)

Nevertheless, Samarqand and Bokhara which hictorically are 90% Tojik belong to
Uzbekiston to these days, and their dwellers' Persian identity is being supressed

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As for rugby: a Tojik rep attended Rugby Master-class held in Moscow in spring 1937

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On return to home he and Moscovite envoy Langwagen formed several teams and held a city comp

Several top guns from the Master-class soon got perished in the Purges
whereas Dinamo belonged exactly to executors -- NKVD who shot innocent people en masse

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*PS* Georgia Rugby Full Record (inc SOV era) >> http://matiane.qaflan.net/index.htm

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As book >> http://biblio.qaflan.net/STAMBA/2009_KA ... ATIANE.pdf

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Re: Last countries without rugby

Postby victorsra » Sun, 22 Mar 2020, 16:51

Very interesting!

What happened to Baku and Yerevan teams?
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Re: Last countries without rugby

Postby Canalina » Sun, 22 Mar 2020, 19:21

I read it with interest too. And I copied and past on our italian forum.
Two questions: what kind of event was that Cities' Match the tajik team missed in 1937?
And the Dinamo you refer to at the bottom of your post was Dinamo Moscow? Were they the hosts of that masterclass?

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Re: Last countries without rugby

Postby victorsra » Sun, 22 Mar 2020, 20:15

I think he meant Dinamo Stalinbad, the Tajik team. There was even a "Dinamos" rugby competitions with all clubs from Dinamo sports society.
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Re: Last countries without rugby

Postby FLIDTA RISXVA » Sun, 22 Mar 2020, 21:24

Baku and Yerevan teams were too weak from the outset

Hence, their funders lost patience and simply dropped them

Indeed, same bunch of guys used to disguise themselves
as Dynamo one year, and say Spartak the next

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Cities' Match was played three times -- 1937, 1947, 1949

1937 edition was just a stop-gap measure after
Soviet Cup was cancelled due to shortage of regional participants
and arrest | execution (sic) of original rugby rulers

In those murky times Dynamo Moscow even rejected to allow
Burevestnik (freelance people + merchandisers) into the fold
and demolished Baku and Izhevsk in front of big crowd

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In 1947 and 1949 it was just a recipe to revive the Game
elsewhere -- outside Moscow: firstly in Tbilisi and then in Kiev

This ended in tragic upset for officialdom:
Dynamo Moscow lost to Students' field handball team of Kiev and as a result,
state authorities stopped funding Moscovite missionaries next forays to periphery

For this rugby was dead and buried till 1957 *Democratic Youth Festival*
hosted by Moscow in Nikita Khushchov era

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The basketball analogue of Cities Match was a real treat --
each big city was represented by its best club | city selection --
was contested around 15 times from 1930s until mid-1950s

(( can check and post spot-on stats ))

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1937 Masterclass was organized by Soviet Rugby Section (precursor of Federation)

The trio of bosses in the middle --
Lebedev (in jacket and tie), Polyak (with tie and white shirt), Kalpus (general clad in white sport gear)
did not survive the Purge

Next to them -- on left side from our point of view -- sat three basketball persons:
Spandaryan, Zeitlin, Zinin (google for them) who were involved in setting rugby as part-timers

On right side -- with beret - is a Frenchman Jean Nau, then internationalist worker (turner),
who after WWII became respected journo for Paris Match and l'Equipe -- in Moscow bureau

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Re: Last countries without rugby

Postby Edgar » Sun, 22 Mar 2020, 21:31

So today's chat was with the guy operating the Minsk Harugva rugby Facebook page. I might just do a whole series on fledgling rugby nations while this pesky pandemic continues. He says his club does in fact play in the Russian third division, as well as the Baltic Cup. There are two other teams in Belarus, one in Gomel, one in Brest. These are the 2nd and 3rd biggest cities in Belarus with about half a million and 350K inhabitants, respectively. That's about as much info as I was able to extract as the guy's English was obviously limited (and my Russian doesn't exist).

Here's a few pic's from (the other) Brest:

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Last November:

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Brest Unia - Mazovia (Poland) 31:15 (24-0) last April:

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Re: Last countries without rugby

Postby Edgar » Mon, 23 Mar 2020, 21:47

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Just been having a browse at the Kurdistan rugby Facebook site. It appears they have three clubs based in the cities of Erbil, Sulaymaniyah and Dohuk. Last update was several months ago when the Erbil club staged a 7s match among its own players: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YzGc9K ... R4rDhaD5nk

Just under a year ago the Kurdistan national team made its debut against Iraq, winning 22-5:

The Kurdistan and Iraqi rugby teams battled it out in Erbil's Franso Hariri football stadium on Saturday, with the home side taking the victory, 22-5. The Kurdish teams dressed in red and black while Iraq was in blue.

The game was the “first official match” in Iraq, according to the Iraq Rugby Association.

Iraqis, Kurds, and foreigners were on the pitch for the game “in a beautiful atmosphere,” the association said.

Devoted rugby fans are trying to build a following for the sport in Iraq and the Kurdistan Region where football reigns supreme.

Saturday’s friendly coincided with the first annual Kurdistan Sports Day. The occasion is yet to be officially recognized by the regional parliament, but sports enthusiasts are hopeful it will take off.

Jalal Parishan, a Kurdistan Democratic Party (KDP) lawmaker and deputy head of the parliament’s Sports and Youth Committee, said he and his colleagues will throw their weight behind the initiative to officially recognize April 20 as Kurdistan Sports Day.

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https://www.rudaw.net/english/lifestyle/21042019


At the end of 2018 the Kurds fielded a team in the Social division of the Dubai 7s:

ERBIL (Kurdistan 24) – Kurdistan’s first rugby team put in an inspired effort at a recent international tournament in Dubai, United Arab Emirates, despite only winning one of their five matches. https://www.kurdistan24.net/en/news/826 ... 0ad0e6aba3


The Kurdish people are ethnically and linguistically akin to Iranians. They number between 24 and 27 million worldwide, with about half in Turkey, a quarter in Iran and a sixth in Iraq - the majority living in the mountainous regions around the common border of these three nations. A further one million are in Syria, many of them having migrated down from Anatolia.

Three quarters of Kurds are Sunni Muslims. The remainder, mostly in central Anatolia, are Alevi, a branch of the Shi'ite faith with influences from the Zoroastrian and Turkic Shaman religions dating back 3,500 years. Many belong to Sufi mystic brotherhoods, another pre-Islamic tie.

Their languages form a branch of the Indo-European Farsi family, but differ from one another in some cases as much as English and German do. Turkic and Arabic influences are evident, and there are also many distinct 'Kurdish' words. Some Kurdish dialects have more in common with Farsi than they do with other Kurdish dialects.

Kurdish tribes, in fact, were on the receiving end of attacks from Sumer (Iraq) over 4,000 years ago. But little is really known of their history until the advent of Islam in the seventh century. The ninth century found them fighting alongside the (doomed) Sassanians of Persia, and they were soon absorbed into the Islamic Empire.

They frequently rebelled against their Arab rulers however, and in 866 actually captured the city of Mosul. At the same time, Kurds remained prominent in the Arab campaigns against Christian Byzantium, Armenia and the Crusades. Though they often grated with the Turkmen alongside whom they fought, they produced similarly fine officers, notably the great Saladin al-Din of Tikrit (Northern Iraq). Saladin routed the Crusades in the 12th century and founded the Ayyubid Dynasty which spanned Egypt, Syria, Yemen, Iraq, Mecca and Diyarbakir (southern Turkey).

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Re: Last countries without rugby

Postby Canalina » Tue, 24 Mar 2020, 09:38

According to this article from nine months ago there's still not a North Macedonia rugby federation.
The Skopje Wild Boars (translated by google sometime Wild Boars, sometime Wild Boats, sometime Wild Eyes and sometime Wild Eggs...) are the only club in the country and on July 2019 they hosted a tournament (7s ?) with clubs from Kosovo, Greece and Bulgaria, both men's and women's. The girls playing rugby in the country are anyway too few to form a team and a pair of months before that tournament the Wild Boars men's team played a friendly with a club from Pec (Kosovo) but it was 10 vs 10. So the number of rugby men in North Macedonia seems still very tiny. They had not a young section at the time of the article
https://www.slobodenpecat.mk/posilni-sm ... od-skopje/

Meanwhile the "Macedonia Rugby Federation" facebook page makes 10 years: they created the jersey for the national team and... stop
https://www.facebook.com/Рагби-Македонија-Rugby-Macedonia-309094498246/

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