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Re: Servette Genf Rugby

Postby beber » Thu, 21 Sep 2017, 08:43

Working Class Rugger wrote:
NedRugby wrote:I wonder if the success of Servette has had any knock-on effect on the Swiss national team? Certainly they held their own very well in their first season in the RE trophy.


Regardless of the standard of opposition by virtue of just spending more time playing with one another far more regularly would have a positive effect. Even if the team doesn't feature the entire national team it would still prove beneficial.


From the swiss team who faced Ukraine (only 2017 matchday squad I've found) only 3 guys plays for Servette
Most of the Servette players are french

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Re: Servette Genf Rugby

Postby Raven » Fri, 15 Jun 2018, 09:56

Now in semi finals of the Promotion Honneur... but wins are getting less bulky, came out of quarter finals by 7pts, 16-9. I cannot say for sure what the standard in that league is, but judging by other experiences, it might be quite physical....

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Re: Servette Genf Rugby

Postby iul » Fri, 15 Jun 2018, 11:06

Raven wrote:Now in semi finals of the Promotion Honneur... but wins are getting less bulky, came out of quarter finals by 7pts, 16-9. I cannot say for sure what the standard in that league is, but judging by other experiences, it might be quite physical....

What league are they in?

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Re: Servette Genf Rugby

Postby RugbyLiebe » Fri, 15 Jun 2018, 11:14

iul wrote:
Raven wrote:Now in semi finals of the Promotion Honneur... but wins are getting less bulky, came out of quarter finals by 7pts, 16-9. I cannot say for sure what the standard in that league is, but judging by other experiences, it might be quite physical....

What league are they in?


7th tier
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Championn ... _%C3%A0_XV
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Re: Servette Genf Rugby

Postby Osmanperalta » Fri, 15 Jun 2018, 15:15

This is the last level before playing rugby federale no?

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Re: Servette Genf Rugby

Postby iul » Fri, 15 Jun 2018, 16:06

No. The lowest level of federale (fed3) is 5th league

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Re: Servette Genf Rugby

Postby Osmanperalta » Fri, 15 Jun 2018, 16:09

oh ok thanks iul

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Re: Servette Genf Rugby

Postby carbonero » Fri, 15 Jun 2018, 16:21

Just to clarify, Servette RC has already secured promotion to the 6th tier by winning the regional championship.

Now they are playing for the 7th tier national championship.

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Re: Servette Genf Rugby

Postby YamahaKiwi » Sat, 16 Jun 2018, 06:50

So 6th Tier = Top Lyonnais region divison, right? They win that and they enter the Federal leagues?

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Re: Servette Genf Rugby

Postby gambass » Sat, 16 Jun 2018, 08:13

YamahaKiwi wrote:So 6th Tier = Top Lyonnais region divison, right? They win that and they enter the Federal leagues?


Yes, that's it. It goes like that:

Pro 1 (Top 14)
Pro 2 (Pro D2)
National 1 (Fédérale 1)
National 2 (Fédérale 2)
National 3 (Fédérale 3)
Regional 1 (Honneur)
Regional 2 (Promotion d'Honneur)
etc.

It's a very standard structure in european sport.

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Re: Servette Genf Rugby

Postby germanbullsfan » Sat, 16 Jun 2018, 09:29

The guys in Geneve have a structered plan ! At which level subproffesionel structure come into play , and at which it will be fully pro?

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Re: Servette Genf Rugby

Postby vino_93 » Sat, 16 Jun 2018, 09:44

Starting from Fédérale 3 you have strong clubs with money, especially in Northern groups, with big cities coming. But they will face strong opponents in their South-East groups too. In Fédérale 2, best clubs have paid players, whereas in Fédérale 1 quasi everyone get it.
First real pro League is Pro D2.

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Re: Servette Genf Rugby

Postby Blurandski » Sat, 16 Jun 2018, 09:51

They're starting a professional third tier as well soon aren't they? Hows that coming along?

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Re: Servette Genf Rugby

Postby vino_93 » Sat, 16 Jun 2018, 10:59

Nothing is planned now. Many talks, nothing done. I guess it would be better to expand Pro D2 than it.

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Re: Servette Genf Rugby

Postby Raven » Thu, 14 Mar 2019, 11:02

A 17 game undefeated streak in Honneur for Servette... things are developing nicely, perhaps next season they´ll be playing in Fed 3?

https://competitions.ffr.fr/clubs/serve ... ments.html

It seems quite a bulky difference appart from the second positioned team. Strange that their reserve side has been quite unfortunate with matches, and have won quite a lot of them 25-0 due to forfait, seems like they might be as a set up quite above the rest.

Does anybody know if they´d be able to field an amateur side in Switzerland, while their professional set up continues to play in France? It might be stupid or "why bother" but having a side in the Swiss Amateur Ranks might open a door to get some local -Swiss- talent. I know they play the odd friendly with Swiss teams...
Many Premiership sides in the UK still keep their Amateur sides playing in lower leagues, but that is within the same Union, hence my question on whether a double affiliation is permitted.

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Re: Servette Genf Rugby

Postby RugbyLiebe » Fri, 15 Mar 2019, 13:27

Raven wrote:Many Premiership sides in the UK still keep their Amateur sides playing in lower leagues, but that is within the same Union, hence my question on whether a double affiliation is permitted.


I think that's totally up to the involved Unions. That's full amateur, but Innsbruck played a season both in Bavaria and in Austria at the same time, before moving to Bavaria full-time. There it was possible. But it should be up to the Swiss Union.
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Re: Servette Genf Rugby

Postby Raven » Fri, 15 Mar 2019, 15:09

RugbyLiebe wrote:
Raven wrote:Many Premiership sides in the UK still keep their Amateur sides playing in lower leagues, but that is within the same Union, hence my question on whether a double affiliation is permitted.


I think that's totally up to the involved Unions. That's full amateur, but Innsbruck played a season both in Bavaria and in Austria at the same time, before moving to Bavaria full-time. There it was possible. But it should be up to the Swiss Union.


I think that was also easily arranged because as you say, Innsbruck participated in the Bavarian League with no "Bundesliga" status, I think I heard once that a player cannot be affiliated to 2 National Unions at the same time? If they´d play in Bundesliga in GER they wouldn´t be able to play in the Austrian BL? But again I´m not sure.

In any case I don´t think is that important for the Servette players and fans, just pitched a question as I wasn´t sure of the answer.

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Re: Servette Genf Rugby

Postby Werner » Fri, 15 Mar 2019, 15:42

Raven wrote:
RugbyLiebe wrote:
Raven wrote:Many Premiership sides in the UK still keep their Amateur sides playing in lower leagues, but that is within the same Union, hence my question on whether a double affiliation is permitted.


I think that's totally up to the involved Unions. That's full amateur, but Innsbruck played a season both in Bavaria and in Austria at the same time, before moving to Bavaria full-time. There it was possible. But it should be up to the Swiss Union.


I think that was also easily arranged because as you say, Innsbruck participated in the Bavarian League with no "Bundesliga" status, I think I heard once that a player cannot be affiliated to 2 National Unions at the same time? If they´d play in Bundesliga in GER they wouldn´t be able to play in the Austrian BL? But again I´m not sure.

In any case I don´t think is that important for the Servette players and fans, just pitched a question as I wasn´t sure of the answer.
Rugby Club Luxemburg is currently playing as a foreign team in the German Bundesliga. All their players are affiliated to their Club in Luxemburg and therefore to the Luxemburg Rugby Federation (FLR). Although the players have a German Bundesliga license, they are not fully assigned to the German Rugby Union (DRV) and do not need a clearence for Germany either.

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Re: Servette Genf Rugby

Postby Raven » Fri, 15 Mar 2019, 16:10

Werner wrote:Rugby Club Luxemburg is currently playing as a foreign team in the German Bundesliga. All their players are affiliated to their Club in Luxemburg and therefore to the Luxemburg Rugby Federation (FLR). Although the players have a German Bundesliga license, they are not fully assigned to the German Rugby Union (DRV) and do not need a clearence for Germany either.


That´s a good example! However the Luxemburg Rugby federation doesn´t have a League of its own, the case there would be if for instance RC Luxemburg (who as you mention have German Rugby Licences and are also affiliated to their own union to play for their national team) play in the Bundesliga while their second team play in say, France or Belgium. Would they be able to do that have 2 teams of the same club playing in 2 different unions? Surely they will have to assign a squad on each federation and won´t be able to jump from one team to the other in the same league as they will be asked for international union / transfer clearence?

But I also do get what you mean, maybe it´s so easy to see that I don´t see it! 8-)

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Re: Servette Genf Rugby

Postby Werner » Fri, 15 Mar 2019, 16:41

Raven wrote:
Werner wrote:Rugby Club Luxemburg is currently playing as a foreign team in the German Bundesliga. All their players are affiliated to their Club in Luxemburg and therefore to the Luxemburg Rugby Federation (FLR). Although the players have a German Bundesliga license, they are not fully assigned to the German Rugby Union (DRV) and do not need a clearence for Germany either.


That´s a good example! However the Luxemburg Rugby federation doesn´t have a League of its own, the case there would be if for instance RC Luxemburg (who as you mention have German Rugby Licences and are also affiliated to their own union to play for their national team) play in the Bundesliga while their second team play in say, France or Belgium. Would they be able to do that have 2 teams of the same club playing in 2 different unions? Surely they will have to assign a squad on each federation and won´t be able to jump from one team to the other in the same league as they will be asked for international union / transfer clearence?

But I also do get what you mean, maybe it´s so easy to see that I don´t see it! 8-)
RC Walferdange (LUX) plays with their mens team in Germany in the Regionalliga West, which is below Bundesliga. Their womens team plays in Belgium and their U14 plays in a combined team with Ardenne Rugby (BEL) in Belgium too.
RC Luxemburg plays in Germany in the Bundesliga and with their 2nd in the German Regionalliga West. Their U14, U16 and U18 Teams are playing in Belgium. If they had a 3rd mens team playing in Belgium or France, so what - where's the problem?
As I already stated, the players from RC Luxemburg (and RC Walferdange) do not have any international union / transfer clearence for Germany. They simply belong to the Luxemburg Rugby Federation.

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Re: Servette Genf Rugby

Postby Raven » Mon, 06 May 2019, 13:29

carbonero wrote:Servette RC achieved their fifth consecutive promotion in French rugby without dropping a game. Now it gets interesting in Fed 3.


Posted in Small News, and thought I´d also mention this here!
I´m not fluent in French grassroots championships (to be fair, there´s a million pools on each Div!) But will there be a huge level gap between the league they are leaving and the one they are entering?

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Re: Servette Genf Rugby

Postby vino_93 » Tue, 07 May 2019, 06:17

Raven wrote:
carbonero wrote:Servette RC achieved their fifth consecutive promotion in French rugby without dropping a game. Now it gets interesting in Fed 3.


Posted in Small News, and thought I´d also mention this here!
I´m not fluent in French grassroots championships (to be fair, there´s a million pools on each Div!) But will there be a huge level gap between the league they are leaving and the one they are entering?


In Fédérale 3 you can find clubs with some outsiders and semi-pros players, which you haven't under.
As they play in one of the most developped Rugby place of France, the gap won't be that huge. They will mostly play clubs from small cities, with limited money.

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Re: Servette Genf Rugby

Postby Raven » Tue, 07 May 2019, 09:38

vino_93 wrote:In Fédérale 3 you can find clubs with some outsiders and semi-pros players, which you haven't under.
As they play in one of the most developped Rugby place of France, the gap won't be that huge. They will mostly play clubs from small cities, with limited money.

That I can imagine, and I believe Servette has also some financial backup so it wouldn´t be a surprise that they get some new legs the upcoming season. Is it clear in what pool they would fall into?

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Re: Servette Genf Rugby

Postby Working Class Rugger » Tue, 07 May 2019, 13:59

Servette is proving quite an interesting test case. So far they have been able to progress up the ladder of the French system with little to no issue both in and off the pitch. It will be interesting to see if that continues if/when they start pressing for inclusion in the professional ranks. If they do manage to get to at least the ProD2 level they could essentially blaze a pathway for teams from other nations to look to do similar in the future.

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Re: Servette Genf Rugby

Postby sammo » Tue, 07 May 2019, 14:23

What does their squad list look like? Are they largely Swiss?

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