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Re: South American rugby

Postby victorsra » Sun, 15 Apr 2018, 00:18

U20s last round:

Brazil 59-07 Colombia
Paraguay 68-07 Venezuela
Uruguay 41-07 Chile

Final Standings: 1 Uruguay (champions and qualified to the World Trophy), 2 Chile, 3 Paraguay, 4 Brazil, 5 Colombia, 6 Venezuela
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Re: South American rugby

Postby carbonero » Tue, 17 Apr 2018, 01:54

Three Venezuelan players decided to stay in Paraguay after the U20 Sudamericano. They are asking for refugee status: https://apnews.com/d692355342e545f8ac908acc1b277840

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Re: South American rugby

Postby Tobar » Tue, 17 Apr 2018, 03:37

Damn. I know one or two guys who have played for Venezuela and are in NYC now as refugees. Venezuela's situation is fucked, it really sucks for the people there. Tons of Venezuelans in eastern Colombia too.

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Re: South American rugby

Postby Canalina » Tue, 17 Apr 2018, 21:37

Venezuela Rugby released a statement but I can't open the link
http://feverugby.com/comunicado-en-refe ... -paraguay/

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Re: South American rugby

Postby carbonero » Tue, 17 Apr 2018, 21:42

Canalina wrote:Venezuela Rugby released a statement but I can't open the link
http://feverugby.com/comunicado-en-refe ... -paraguay/


Spoiler:
A TODA LA OPINIÓN PÚBLICA Y MEDIOS DE COMUNICACIÓN

Nos dirigimos a ustedes para aclarar una situación que se presentó el día de ayer con respecto a tres jugadores de nuestra Selección Nacional de Rugby M20. Se acusó a estos tres atletas de haber desertado del combinado nacional, lo cual es FALSO. Dichos rugbistas en virtud de su rendimiento deportivo fueron invitados a jugar con un club de mucha importancia en Paraguay, como lo es el San José Rugby Club. Es decir, que dicho equipo solicitó la transferencia de estos jugadores en virtud de su talento. Para que se complete la transferencia, de acuerdo a World Rugby, sólo se necesita una carta de Liberación Internacional (International Clearance Form), emitida por la FVR, lo cual se hará a la brevedad posible, luego de haber constatado que no hay sanciones disciplinarias y que existe la voluntad de los jugadores y sus familiares de querer participar en esta prestigiosa institución y continuar con su formación deportiva, decisión que nos llena de un gran orgullo.

Hay que destacar que el San José Rugby Club es uno de los equipos más importantes de Paraguay, con una tradición de 40 años de existencia. Gozan además de excelentes instalaciones sociales y deportivas que serían ideales para el buen desarrollo deportivo de nuestros atletas.

Nos llena de mucha alegría que tres de los jugadores de Rugby de nuestra Selección Nacional M20 sean considerados por el San José Rugby club, lo cual representa una gran oportunidad de crecimiento para ellos y para la Federación Venezolana de Rugby. De esta forma ellos se integran a otros rugbistas venezolanos que han salido de nuestras fronteras a dejar el nombre de nuestro país en alto, así como también a otros deportistas que han ido a grandes clubes, como Yulimar Rojas al equipo de atletismo del Barcelona FC, José Altuve con los Astros de Houston, Wuilker Fariñez con Millonarios FC o Yeferson Soteldo con la U de Chile.

Finalmente nos despedimos compartiendo esta alegría con toda la comunidad del Rugby venezolano y añoramos que cada día sean más los atletas venezolanos compitiendo en los más altos niveles deportivos.

Atentamente,
Ing. Erickson Bermúdez
Presidente Federación Venezolana De Rugby

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Re: South American rugby

Postby Canalina » Tue, 17 Apr 2018, 22:23

It's hard to believe that a paraguayan club is interested in three players of a team so largely beaten by all the other nations but it's also hard to believe that the Venezuelan federation invented the whole story. I don't know what to think. Let's wait some more details

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Re: South American rugby

Postby carbonero » Tue, 17 Apr 2018, 22:32

The word desertion is pretty strong so Venezuela Rugby is trying to give a more decorous explanation to protect the kids. And also to save face with the local authorities.

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Re: South American rugby

Postby victorsra » Wed, 18 Apr 2018, 21:54

Exatly. The Union is protecting the kids and their families from further problems. Venezuela Rugby did it the right way.

A sad story I heard is that some of the players were even taking pictures of the food table of the tournament, as food is now really expensive in Venezuela...
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Re: South American rugby

Postby thatrugbyguy » Thu, 19 Apr 2018, 08:17

Professional rugby finally comes to Uruguay.

http://www.americasrugbynews.com/2018/0 ... n-uruguay/

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Re: South American rugby

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Re: South American rugby

Postby victorsra » Wed, 25 Apr 2018, 03:53

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The South American Championship starts on May 5th with Brazil vs Chile. The match will be in São Paulo, at Canindé stadium (that belongs to Portuguesa, a traditional football club). No idea why it won't be at Pacaembu. That's the second time Brazil plays at Canindé (the first time was in 2015 against Colombia).

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Re: South American rugby

Postby NaBUru38 » Wed, 25 Apr 2018, 12:44


Ulster is a very strong rival for Uruguay.

However, the fact remains that we struggle to get test matches with non-Americas national teams. This is a very serious issue.

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Re: South American rugby

Postby qwerty » Wed, 25 Apr 2018, 14:46

They won't play with their strongest squad though. It'll be lame.

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Re: South American rugby

Postby Tobar » Wed, 25 Apr 2018, 18:25

Lame? C’mon man. They beat the Sabercats by 2 tried. I’m sure an all backup Ulster squad could beat Uruguay.

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Re: South American rugby

Postby qwerty » Wed, 25 Apr 2018, 21:23

We also beat Canada away by 9 points a week later. The point anyways is to be able to have a test against a full side.

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Re: South American rugby

Postby victorsra » Wed, 25 Apr 2018, 22:01

The whole South American Championship fixture, with venues, referees and times: http://www.sudamericarugby.org/2018/04/ ... l-fixture/

FIXTURE SUDAMERICANO 6 NACIONES #SAR6N
Los horarios corresponden a cada país.

Conferencia Oeste: Argentina XV, Chile y Colombia.
Conferencia Este: Uruguay XV, Brasil y Paraguay.

Primera Fecha | Sábado 05 de mayo de 2018

COLOMBIA – URUGUAY XV
Estadio: Cincuentenario (Medellín, Colombia)
Referee Principal: Henrique Platais (Brasil)
Kick-off: 14:00 hs

PARAGUAY – ARGENTINA XV
Estadio: Héroes de Curupayty (Asunción, Paraguay)
Referee Principal: Frank Mendez (Chile)
Kick-off: 15:30 hs

BRASIL – CHILE
Estadio: Do Canindé (San Pablo, Brasil)
Referee Principal: Joaquín Montes (Uruguay)
Kick-off: 19:00 hs

Segunda Fecha | Sábado 12 de mayo de 2018

ARGENTINA XV – BRASIL
Estadio: Club Newman (Buenos Aires, Argentina)
Referee Principal: Joaquín Montes (Uruguay)
Kick-off: 12:00 hs

URUGUAY XV – CHILE
Estadio: Charrua (Montevideo, Uruguay)
Referee Principal: Pablo Deluca (h) (Argentina)
Kick-off: 15:00 hs

PARAGUAY – COLOMBIA
Estadio: Héroes de Curupayty (Asunción, Paraguay)
Referee Principal: Jauri Rivero (Argentina)
Kick-off: 15:30 hs

Tercera Fecha | Sábado 19 de mayo y domingo 20 de mayo de 2018 (*)

CHILE – PARAGUAY
Estadio: Club Old Boys (Santiago de Chile, Chile)
Referee Principal: Francisco González (Uruguay)
Kick-off: 19:00 hs

BRASIL – COLOMBIA
Estadio: Do Canindé (San Pablo, Brasil)
Referee Principal: Damian Schneider (Argentina)
Kick-off: 15:00 o 19:00 hs

ARGENTINA XV – URUGUAY XV
(*) Este partido se disputará el domingo 20 de mayo.
Estadio: Club Newman (Buenos Aires, Argentina)
Referee Principal: Henrique Platais (Brasil)
Kick-off: 15:00 hs
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Re: South American rugby

Postby dwpeate » Thu, 26 Apr 2018, 06:29

So is it just Uruguay and Argentina fielding 2nd teams? Everyone else playing full national teams?

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Re: South American rugby

Postby victorsra » Thu, 26 Apr 2018, 14:03

Yes, but I haven't received Brazil's squad to see how strong will it be. What I understand is that Brazil and Chile wanted to play each other as a test because both want Ranking points.
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Re: South American rugby

Postby carbonero » Fri, 27 Apr 2018, 04:30

Argentina XV squad to play Paraguay: http://uar.com.ar/2018/04/26/caras-nuev ... -xv-debut/

Bizarre mixture of players: 60% of the team is under 20 but not even one was called for the U20 World Cup.

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Re: South American rugby

Postby argie » Fri, 27 Apr 2018, 19:09

carbonero wrote:Argentina XV squad to play Paraguay: http://uar.com.ar/2018/04/26/caras-nuev ... -xv-debut/

Bizarre mixture of players: 60% of the team is under 20 but not even one was called for the U20 World Cup.


Why do you think it happens?. Is the Uar preparing the next generation of players for after RWC 2019?.

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Re: South American rugby

Postby carbonero » Fri, 27 Apr 2018, 20:24

My guess is that they are expanding their scouting scope. Most players come from small clubs like Hurling, CURNE, Liceo Naval, San Fernando, Sporting, Logaritmo, Curupayti, SITAS, Old Lions, Teque, etc. Ledesma did something similar last December.

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Re: South American rugby

Postby carbonero » Sat, 28 Apr 2018, 00:51

Radio interview with the URU president: http://radiouruguay.uy/estan-avanzadas- ... e-penarol/

He said the South American league will have 10 teams: Argentina (4), Uruguay (2), Brazil (2), Chile (1) and Paraguay (1). He also said the UAR will open a tender process within the provinces to sell the franchises.

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Re: South American rugby

Postby Working Class Rugger » Sat, 28 Apr 2018, 03:49

carbonero wrote:Radio interview with the URU president: http://radiouruguay.uy/estan-avanzadas- ... e-penarol/

He said the South American league will have 10 teams: Argentina (4), Uruguay (2), Brazil (2), Chile (1) and Paraguay (1). He also said the UAR will open a tender process within the provinces to sell the franchises.


Makes more sense to try to keep it centred around the southern cone to start.

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Re: South American rugby

Postby victorsra » Sat, 28 Apr 2018, 14:30

Wow. For the Argentine fellows: do you believe it feasible to have 4 new pro franchises?

It will be a huge challenge. Specially to avoid matchdays during club rugby times.
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Re: South American rugby

Postby carbonero » Sun, 29 Apr 2018, 00:33

I don’t know. Let’s see who shows up in the tender.

The player depth doesn’t worry me. The talent is there for the taking. Will the salaries be good enough to pry them away from their hometowns? If Buenos Aires is left out of the league, some might prefer to stay put in their amateur clubs.

I also think you can work around club rugby. Friday night or Sunday morning kick offs might work in these markets.

Pichot runs ESPN for the southern cone so TV isn’t an issue.

About location, Tucuman is a lock. They tick all the boxes: rugby stronghold, proud history, recognizable brand, governor who might pitch in, Tucuman LT stadium, talent from neighboring provinces like Santiago/Salta.

Cordoba and Rosario come next. I don’t think that the local government will help much in this case but they are big enough to lure private suitors. Stadia could be an issue for Cordoba. Rosario is building a mini temporary stadium for the 2019 U20 World Cup so maybe they can keep it around for this venture.

Then it’s anyone’s guess. Mendoza is the clear contender but both Salta and San Juan have good working relationships with the UAR.

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