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Re: South American rugby

Postby victorsra » Sun, 08 Apr 2018, 20:46

Yeah, Colombia and Venezuela clearly are not mature enough. Paraguay is good, showing strenght in set pieces. And their Union looks working really hard, good to see.

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Re: South American rugby

Postby Hernan14 » Sun, 08 Apr 2018, 21:19

60m - Brasil 20-19 Paraguay

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Re: South American rugby

Postby victorsra » Sun, 08 Apr 2018, 21:45

FT - Paraguay 25-23 Brazil, penalty in the last minute. Congrats Paraguay! Big victory. Brazil paying for the lack of junior club rugby.
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Re: South American rugby

Postby Gen Santa » Sun, 08 Apr 2018, 22:15

nice to see paraguay do well but they still have much going against them, especially since paraguay is rather poor and much sporting money is spent on soccer

colombia and venezuela are concerning in a way, venezuela was never too good at rugby but colombia should be getting better, but at least they scored a try. sure uruguay is much better than 10 years ago but still, colombia needs to play better, world rugby covets them

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Re: South American rugby

Postby Tobar » Sun, 08 Apr 2018, 23:23

Isn't this the u20 tournament? The Youtube feed says the 6 Nations A but that starts on May 5th...I would imagine the full national sides for these teams would do much better than 99-5, woof.

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Re: South American rugby

Postby Tobar » Sun, 08 Apr 2018, 23:30

carbonero wrote:Kudos for the stream. The broadcast looks good. Also, the Paraguayan union finally created their twitter feed (@URugbyPy).

Bummer that Sudamerica Rugby fucked up the format to fast track teams. You could make an argument for Colombia but Venezuela’s inclusion is baffling.


Whats wrong with including more sides? This is the SA tournament, it makes sense to include the SA teams. Otherwise youll end up with just Argentina, Uruguay, Chile and Brazil. The more opportunities the better for these guys who don't get many opportunities otherwise.

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Re: South American rugby

Postby carbonero » Mon, 09 Apr 2018, 00:45

The old format was inclusive enough. Colombia lost to Paraguay in the playoffs.

We lost an interesting Brazil-Chile match to accommodate century scores.

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Re: South American rugby

Postby Tobar » Mon, 09 Apr 2018, 01:52

Don’t you think this will just help more in the next few years? I’m sure these teams haven’t focused a ton on their u20 program beforehand but now they can with a more inclusive tournament. It is disappointing to see such a huge gap st this level though.

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Re: South American rugby

Postby victorsra » Mon, 09 Apr 2018, 02:39

I think 100 points helps no one. They jumped a step. The better first step would maybe be development competitions against A teams or regions of those countries. Or maybe an improved old system of the South American Championships with the 2 best of Uruguay, Chile, Brazil and Paraguay facing Argentina and the 2 worst playing Colombia and Venezuela. One competition in each semestre. It would be a good investment.
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Re: South American rugby

Postby Tobar » Mon, 09 Apr 2018, 03:23

Well yeah they obviously didn’t expect a 99-5 outcome, that’s just rough. Is this the first year the tournament was structured like this?

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Re: South American rugby

Postby Tobar » Mon, 09 Apr 2018, 03:25

Just to be clear though this is the u20 comp right? Based on the comments it sorta sounds like people are treating it like the 6N A.

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Re: South American rugby

Postby victorsra » Mon, 09 Apr 2018, 17:27

U20.

They called "6 Nations" because it has the same format of the new senior competition.

Is this the first year the tournament was structured like this?

Yep. Until 2017 it was just Uruguay, Chile, Brazil and Paraguay playing each other.
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Re: South American rugby

Postby Tobar » Mon, 09 Apr 2018, 17:49

Gotcha, thanks. Saw that and was confused because of how people were reacting. These scorelines completely suck but how much would they have known that the blowout would be that big? u20 teams can be hit or miss depending on the country, I guess it didn't help that Colombia played Uruguay which has done a hell of a job with their youth program.

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Re: South American rugby

Postby victorsra » Mon, 09 Apr 2018, 18:05

I think they were expecting Colombia to be stronger. But Venezuela was hard to believe that they would do much better than this... not sure why they promoted Venezuela. Maybe Peru won't play anything n U20s this year? Until last year those 3 played each other, with Mexico invited.

In the other hand if they REALLY wanted for some reason Colombia and Venezuela in the top, wouldn't it be better to copy Rugby Europe's model of 8-teams-playoff (with Peru and inviting Mexico)? So only the quarter finals would be a spank and in the last 2 rounds the worst teams would play each other.
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Re: South American rugby

Postby Tobar » Mon, 09 Apr 2018, 20:24

Guess they will learn their lesson from this...they must be seeing the recent success of Colombia and assume that translates to the u20 team. Hell, even the USA u20 team is pretty bad and the Eagles have had arguably the best year ever. There’s just no funding for the u20 level in some places so you can’t expect them to be anything more than the first 23 guys to raise their hands.

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Re: South American rugby

Postby argie » Wed, 11 Apr 2018, 16:57

HT: Colombia 24 - 5 Venezuela

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Re: South American rugby

Postby victorsra » Wed, 11 Apr 2018, 18:00

FT - Colombia 45 - 05 Venezuela.

Now Brazil vs Chile
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Re: South American rugby

Postby victorsra » Wed, 11 Apr 2018, 19:53

FT - Chile 30-03 Brazil.... Brazil with nule performance...
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Re: South American rugby

Postby Tobar » Wed, 11 Apr 2018, 20:35

Good thing Venezuela isn’t playing Uruguay or they’d get smoked. Losing 45-05 to a team that just lost 99-05 is brutal.

Is there anyway to get a B side for a u20 program? If they took out Venezuela and Colombia could they have them play against a Uruguay u20 B or Chile u20 B instead? It sounds like the format before had these two playing against Mexico or RAN teams so it would at least keep it South American.

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Re: South American rugby

Postby victorsra » Wed, 11 Apr 2018, 21:54

FT - Uruguay 38-12 Paraguay
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Re: South American rugby

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Re: South American rugby

Postby NaBUru38 » Fri, 13 Apr 2018, 03:21

Tobar wrote:Good thing Venezuela isn’t playing Uruguay or they’d get smoked.

Is there anyway to get a B side for a u20 program? If they took out Venezuela and Colombia could they have them play against a Uruguay u20 B or Chile u20 B instead?

Having Venezuela play Uruguay B wouldn't be enough. Instead, I would invite them to play Uruguayan and Chilean U20 clubs.

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Re: South American rugby

Postby Buffalo » Fri, 13 Apr 2018, 19:08

NaBUru38 wrote:
Tobar wrote:Good thing Venezuela isn’t playing Uruguay or they’d get smoked.

Is there anyway to get a B side for a u20 program? If they took out Venezuela and Colombia could they have them play against a Uruguay u20 B or Chile u20 B instead?

Having Venezuela play Uruguay B wouldn't be enough. Instead, I would invite them to play Uruguayan and Chilean U20 clubs.


Tobar was suggesting that Venezuela u20 and Colombia u20 play the likes of Chile and Uruguay u20 B teams. Still quality South American games and hopefully at least somewhat competitive.

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Re: South American rugby

Postby Salta » Fri, 13 Apr 2018, 22:19

There is no B team from Uruguay or Chile, they need more competition for their main team, not a second team. Uruguay or Chile are going to play the Trophy and must improve.

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Re: South American rugby

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