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Re: South American rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Sun, 29 Jan 2017, 00:47

When the agreement was made public they posted photos of Freitas signing two different contracts, one for Jaguares and one for Los Teros. And he's promoted as first URU-contracted player: http://uru.org.uy/pablo-ferrari-hablo-d ... -jaguares/

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Re: South American rugby

Postby victorsra » Sun, 29 Jan 2017, 15:52

Daniel Sancery is the only Brazilian player to have ever played in a full professional league. He played one season in Albi's first team in French Pro D2. His brother Felipe played just for the Albi's espoir ("A") team.

Luiz Vieira played in the Oyonnax espoir team too. Moisés Duque in the Blagnac's first team, but it was the Fédérale 1 (3rd division). Beukes Cremer played in the Sharks Academy, while De Wet van Niekerk played in Stellenbosch.
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Re: South American rugby

Postby Buffalo » Sun, 29 Jan 2017, 17:32

That ARN article seems a bit optimistic. The thought of two Argentina teams plus a South America Super Rugby team in the next few years sounds farfetched. While Uruguay, Brazil, Chile, Colombia and Paraguay are improving, 2021 is only four years away. Seems more like a plan for a decade down the road when they might have the combined talent to compete. Would make more sense for the South American Unions to pool together with UAR to form a Half Argentina/Half South America team based ideally out of Montevideo but more likely somewhere in Argentina.

Also does anyone know what happened to Uruguay international Gastón Mieres? I thought he was one of their better backs heading into the World Cup but don't recall him doing much since.

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Re: South American rugby

Postby victorsra » Sun, 29 Jan 2017, 19:12

Since the Olympics the Brazilian Rugby Union is saying they want the franchise in São Paulo, because Pacaembu stadiums averages +9k people and the free-to-air brodcast last year was seen by 14 million people, much more than Uruguay or a smaller Argentine city can have. And the only city in South America with flights to South Africa is São Paulo.

The questions are: who would pay for it (Brazilian rugby needs much more development investments first)? and would this public turn on rugby if it wasn't the Brazilian national team properly?

The problem about Montevideo is the size: a 1,5 million people city full of football. But of course Uruguay is the one that deserves more if we think about results and history. Uruguayan rugby is much more mature than Brazilian rugby. However, Montevideo probably doesn't have more rugby fans than São Paulo nowadays.

Maybe we should be talking first about a South American "Currie Cup-like" semipro league, with franchises in all Southern Cone to begin. It could start with 3 Argies and 1 Brazilian, 1 Uruguayan and 1 Chilean. This would help Brazil, Uruguay and Chile to manage a full pro/semipro high performance squad each, playing the whole year. If sustainable, add 1 Paraguayan and a second Brazilian. But we must lern with PRO to begin with something like this. That's why I say "semipro". Specially because Argentine rugby doesn't deal well with professionalism. They could manage "amateur" high performance teams their way. There is much conflict that can happen between national unions/teams and amateur clubs here and we need a better structured pyramidal model to organize the high performance squads without mess with clubs.
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Re: South American rugby

Postby argie » Mon, 30 Jan 2017, 00:04

Some people are talking about a second franchise argie will be a mix with other south american unions and based in Brazil. I don't remember if Pichot also said something similar.
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Re: South American rugby

Postby Working Class Rugger » Mon, 30 Jan 2017, 06:20

victorsra wrote:Since the Olympics the Brazilian Rugby Union is saying they want the franchise in São Paulo, because Pacaembu stadiums averages +9k people and the free-to-air brodcast last year was seen by 14 million people, much more than Uruguay or a smaller Argentine city can have. And the only city in South America with flights to South Africa is São Paulo.

The questions are: who would pay for it (Brazilian rugby needs much more development investments first)? and would this public turn on rugby if it wasn't the Brazilian national team properly?

The problem about Montevideo is the size: a 1,5 million people city full of football. But of course Uruguay is the one that deserves more if we think about results and history. Uruguayan rugby is much more mature than Brazilian rugby. However, Montevideo probably doesn't have more rugby fans than São Paulo nowadays.

Maybe we should be talking first about a South American "Currie Cup-like" semipro league, with franchises in all Southern Cone to begin. It could start with 3 Argies and 1 Brazilian, 1 Uruguayan and 1 Chilean. This would help Brazil, Uruguay and Chile to manage a full pro/semipro high performance squad each, playing the whole year. If sustainable, add 1 Paraguayan and a second Brazilian. But we must lern with PRO to begin with something like this. That's why I say "semipro". Specially because Argentine rugby doesn't deal well with professionalism. They could manage "amateur" high performance teams their way. There is much conflict that can happen between national unions/teams and amateur clubs here and we need a better structured pyramidal model to organize the high performance squads without mess with clubs.


In a perfect world your suggested Sth American league would be the way I'd look to go. I actually think WR should be looking at such structures as a means of further developing targeted nations. They are already looking to fund Fiji in the NRC. Why not expand that kind of investment a bit.

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Re: South American rugby

Postby NaBUru38 » Mon, 30 Jan 2017, 18:54

I think that Argentina XV should play the Currie Cup before a second South Samerican team enters the Super Rugby.

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Re: South American rugby

Postby carbonero » Mon, 30 Jan 2017, 20:25

NaBUru38 wrote:I think that Argentina XV should play the Currie Cup before a second South Samerican team enters the Super Rugby.


No chance. The Pampas XV experience was heavily subsidized by World Rugby. As soon as those grants went away, they couldn’t participate in the Vodacom Cup any longer. There is little to none commercial upside to offset the costs. We are talking about travel fares, three month accommodation, the per diem of each player, etc.

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Re: South American rugby

Postby victorsra » Mon, 13 Feb 2017, 21:08

Honduras Olympic Comitee regonized their local Rugby Union: http://www.sudamericarugby.org/2017/02/ ... hondureno/

This means Honduras is set to join Sudamérica Rugby. Only Bolivia is missing.
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Re: South American rugby

Postby argie » Tue, 14 Feb 2017, 01:39

This year the SAR C will be five teams?. Will Nicaragua join to Guatemala, Costa Rica, Panamá and El Salvador?. Or not yet?.
Will be great to see a Central Americans Five Nations, or even a Six Nations if in the future Honduras adds to the tournament.

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Re: South American rugby

Postby Thomas » Tue, 14 Feb 2017, 09:11

Interesting since there was no friendly match this year as in previous years at the C tournament.

I am concerned about the one sided results. Not sure if there will be 5 nations but is a step in the right direction considering the funding situation. I would say Honduras would join first the C Tournament they have a structure in place in the north ( albeit a small one). What they need is club rugby setup, not just in Roatan but in Tegucigalpa where they only have 1 club

Here is were WR and Sudamerica Rugby are failing in terms of Capital and structural investment.

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Re: South American rugby

Postby victorsra » Wed, 15 Feb 2017, 18:24

http://www.sudamericarugby.org/2017/02/ ... vens-2017/

Rainforest Sevens this weekend in Concepción de Tres Ríos, Costa Rica.

Participants: Costa Rica, Panama, Canada and United States, men's and women's.
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Re: South American rugby

Postby sammo » Wed, 15 Feb 2017, 20:34

Anyone ever come across this before? http://www.cenosar.com/

Was supposed to be fourteen teams in four regional conferences, across the entire Americas, starting late 2016...

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Re: South American rugby

Postby Thomas » Wed, 15 Feb 2017, 22:08

sammo wrote:Anyone ever come across this before? http://www.cenosar.com/

Was supposed to be fourteen teams in four regional conferences, across the entire Americas, starting late 2016...


Personally never heard of it. or seen any emails coming my way. unless others have.

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Re: South American rugby

Postby victorsra » Wed, 15 Feb 2017, 22:26

Yes, I've heard before. But never took it much seriously because AFAIK they weren't working with the official bodies.
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Re: South American rugby

Postby victorsra » Thu, 23 Feb 2017, 17:19

Uruguay Rugby Union modernized its website http://uru.org.uy/
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Re: South American rugby

Postby victorsra » Mon, 06 Mar 2017, 16:13

Brazil coudn't pass Chile in the World rankings this Monday. Chile is 29th and Brazil 30th now.

Well, I heard from the guys from CBRu that as Brazil coudn't pass Chile we will visit them in the South American Championship/RWC Qualy in May.

If they are right, I believe:

Uruguay receives Chile and Brazil, but visits Paraguay
Chile receives Brazil and Paraguay, but visits Uruguay
Brazil receives Paraguay, but visits Uruguay and Chile
Paraguay receives Uruguay but visits Brazil and Chile

Next Brazilian mission is to finally beat Chile in Chile, something we never did.
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Re: South American rugby

Postby NaBUru38 » Tue, 07 Mar 2017, 15:26

Honestly, I think that South American qualifiers should be played home and away.

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Re: South American rugby

Postby thatrugbyguy » Tue, 07 Mar 2017, 23:29

victorsra wrote:Uruguay Rugby Union modernized its website http://uru.org.uy/


Very nice revamped.

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Re: South American rugby

Postby victorsra » Tue, 21 Mar 2017, 17:19

2017 South American Championship

May 6th

Chile x Brazil, in Chile


May 13th

Paraguay x Uruguay, in Paraguay


May 20thi]

Uruguay x Brazil, in Uruguay

Chile x Paraguay, in Chile

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May 27th


Brazil x Paraguay, in Brazil

Uruguay x Chile, in Uruguay


Also Chile revamped its website too, nice http://www.chilerugby.org/
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Re: South American rugby

Postby thatrugbyguy » Wed, 22 Mar 2017, 05:28

Another nice modern designed website.

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Re: South American rugby

Postby argie » Sat, 01 Apr 2017, 19:43

Has the fixture been modified?.


2017 SAR A Championship

Sat, May 13th

- CHILE VS BRASIL
Place: Santiago de Chile
Venue: TBA
Kick-Off: 15:45 hs.

- PARAGUAY VS URUGUAY
Place: Asunción
Venue: Estadio Héroes de Curupaytí
Kick-Off: 15.15 hs.

Sat, May 20th

- CHILE VS PARAGUAY
Place: Santiago de Chile
Venue: TBA
Kick-Off: 15:45 hs.

- URUGUAY VS BRASIL
Place: Montevideo
Venue: Estadio Charrúa
Kick-Off: 15:30 hs.

Sat, May 27th

- BRASIL VS PARAGUAY
Place: Sao Paulo
Venue: TBA
Kick-Off: 14:00 hs.

- URUGUAY VS CHILE
Place: Montevideo
Venue: Estadio Charrúa
Kick-Off: 15:30 hs.

http://www.sudamericarugby.org/2017/03/ ... o-mayor-a/

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Re: South American rugby

Postby NaBUru38 » Sat, 01 Apr 2017, 19:58

Apparently so. I mean, I have no idea why would they play the round 1 matches on different weekends.

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Re: South American rugby

Postby NaBUru38 » Sat, 01 Apr 2017, 20:18

http://www.sudamericarugby.org/2017/03/ ... es-futbol/

“This is not soccer.”

This phrase was popularized by famous referee Nigel Owens. There's some situations, fortunately few, in rugby matches that don't belong to our sport. THe Welshman is a specialist to control times and knows well how to communicate with players. That phrase, lapidary, is used when some player feigns or protests irately.

[...]

Justice and transparency are the norm. They are the way.

Luckily, rugby is not football.

In South America, in the world, the sport that dominates everything is football. And on top of that spherical ball altar is Lionel Messi. The Argentine is undoubtedly the best in his generation, and arguably the best in history.

Now he must purge a four-match suspension for insulting openly, in front of the world, a line referee in a national team match for the 2018 Wortld Cup qualifier.

[...]

The football world exploded. Many criticised the decision. Some suggested to penalize the assistant referee for provoking the world star.

A similar situation in rugby carries a penalty between 6 and 52 weeks. THreatening actions wor words are 12 to 2560 weeks. Physical abuse begins in 24 and can be life suspension.

Messi should thank that he plays rugby and not football. Acvtually, if he played our noble sport, he would have never been in position of doing what he did.. He would know how to behave...

Luckily, rugby is not football, as Owen says. Antibodies are strong in our sport and we must keep that. It's what distinguishes us. What keeps us apart from the rest.

-- Frankie Deges, communications manager at Sudamérica Rugby

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Re: South American rugby

Postby victorsra » Sat, 01 Apr 2017, 21:22

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Has the fixture been modified?

Yes, the Chilean Rugby Union previously put in their calendar Chile vs Brazil on May 6th. That is the only change.
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