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Re: South American rugby

Postby NaBUru38 » Wed, 20 Sep 2017, 15:42

2017 South America Rugby Cup - round 3
Uruguay vs Argentina XV
Friday 29 September
Estadio Alberto Supicci, Colonia

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Re: South American rugby

Postby victorsra » Wed, 20 Sep 2017, 16:16

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Re: South American rugby

Postby victorsra » Sat, 23 Sep 2017, 15:10

Bogota (Colombia) is hosting the South American University Games and last Thursday and Friday the rugby sevens tournament (just men's) was played. Just 4 countries: Argentina, Chile, Colombia and Brazil. I have just Brazil's results and the final. Chile won the gold medal after beating Argentina! I don't know how the other teams were formed, but Brazil was represented by UFG (Goiás State Federal University).


Brazil 05 x 20 Colombia

Argentina x Chile - ?

Brazil 07 x 17 Chile

Argentina x Colombia - ?

Brazil 12 x 21 Argentina

Chile x Colombia - ?



Semifinals


Brazil 00 x 38 Chile
Argentina x Colombia - ?


3rd place

Brazil 00 x 07 Colombia


Final
Chile 19 x 07 Argentina
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Re: South American rugby

Postby NaBUru38 » Tue, 26 Sep 2017, 19:27

Argentina XV squad for the South American Rugby Cup match vs Uruguay:

http://uar.com.ar/2017/09/22/los-nombre ... r-uruguay/

Notable players include Juan Cruz Guillemaín, Sebastián Cancelliere, Joaquín Díaz Bonilla, Felipe and Bautista Ezcurra, Juan Cappiello, Francisco Ferronato, Lautaro Bavaro, Franco Cuaranta and Baustista Delguy.

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Re: South American rugby

Postby danindech » Sun, 01 Oct 2017, 18:08

victorsra wrote:(...) Brazil was represented by UFG (Goiás State Federal University). (...)


Do you know why?

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Re: South American rugby

Postby carbonero » Sun, 01 Oct 2017, 22:42

No more provincial championship from 2018 onwards: http://uar.com.ar/2017/09/30/suspension ... ores-2018/

The 2017 edition will go ahead as planned in November, including Uruguay XV in the second division. Also, the Nacional de Clubes adds 16 more clubs.

It was somewhat predictable. The competition has been an afterthought for a while, buried at the end of the season, no matches live on cable, miserable crowds, players rejecting call-ups, unbearably long bus trips, etc. The new-found prominence of the Nacional de Clubes finished the job. Although it could have played into the development of other nations, it almost served no purpose in the local rugby scene.

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Re: South American rugby

Postby victorsra » Mon, 02 Oct 2017, 02:45

Do you know why?


Because they were the 2017 Brazilian University champions.... just 6 universties showed up, none from São Paulo, Rio or the South, as that competition lacks interest from the major teams...
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Re: South American rugby

Postby NaBUru38 » Mon, 02 Oct 2017, 21:42

carbonero wrote:No more provincial championship from 2018 onwards: http://uar.com.ar/2017/09/30/suspension ... ores-2018/


I'm disappointed. It was great to promote players, but the UAR clubs tried their best to ignore it.

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Re: South American rugby

Postby victorsra » Tue, 03 Oct 2017, 00:26

Yes... So no more Aguilas, Dogos, Naranjas...? That is sad.
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Re: South American rugby

Postby victorsra » Wed, 04 Oct 2017, 04:23

Córdoba touring Brazil next week http://www.unioncordobesaderugby.com.ar ... n-de-gira/

Dogos vs Tupis on Oct 11th at São José dos Campos
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Re: South American rugby

Postby carbonero » Sat, 07 Oct 2017, 06:35

La Nación reports that the Pampas are coming back next season. The UAR is advanced talks to join the Supersport Rugby Challenge. The paper also mentions the Currie Cup as a possibility but not both because that would be too expensive.

This could open an extra spot in the Nations Cup or the Americas Pacific Challenge due to fixture overlaps. It also conflicts with the brand new Sudamericano in May. Don’t know who is going to play if Argentina XV is in South Africa.

Source: http://www.lanacion.com.ar/2069986-los- ... ndial-2019
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Next Tuesday, Mario Ledesma will be unveiled as the new Jaguares head coach. Nicolas Fernandez Miranda and Martin Gaitan will join him as assistants. Ledesma will also look to bring an Australian conditioning coach.

Some speculate that Alejandro Conti could be added as scrum coach. He was spotted the other day chatting with Ledesma in Australia’s practice. His participation would mean a return to our old ways in the set piece. He describes his filosophy in this interview (in Spanish): http://www.periodismo-rugby.com.ar/2017 ... nti-scrum/
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Changes also for Pumitas. Former Jaguares skills coach Jose Pellicena will take charge of the team, accompanied by Pichot’s big brother Enrique and scrum specialist Ricardo Le Fort. Not a good look for Pichot who is often accused of filling the UAR with his friends.

Heard also that the UAR will form an U18 team for the first time. Just speculating but we could now participate in the FIRA championship like Japan, Canada and the US did this year.
victorsra wrote:Yes... So no more Aguilas, Dogos, Naranjas...? That is sad.

They won’t just disappear. Tucuman and Cordoba will organize their own thing. Córdoba’s coach said that they would look to invite international teams: http://www.cordobaxv.com.ar/german-schr ... continuar/

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Re: South American rugby

Postby NaBUru38 » Sat, 07 Oct 2017, 14:49

I've been proposing the return of the Pampas for months.

To avoid the Super Rugby, Americas Rugby Championship and South American Championship, the best option would be to play the Currie Cup.

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Re: South American rugby

Postby victorsra » Tue, 17 Oct 2017, 22:29

Last weekend together with the Central America Womens Sevens San Jose (Costa Rica) received the U19 Central American Sevens.

Costa Rica defeated Guatemala in the final, 12-00. Panama, El Salvador and Nicaragua were also there. I don't know the final standings.

It was played in the National Stadium! Great achievement.
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Re: South American rugby

Postby carbonero » Wed, 18 Oct 2017, 23:51

Pichot interview: https://www.facebook.com/SantiAngel1996 ... 7679588664

Among other stuff, he says that they are working to add a Uruguayan/Brazilian side on the SuperSport Rugby Challenge (most likely on 2019).

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Re: South American rugby

Postby Thomas » Thu, 19 Oct 2017, 13:47

victorsra wrote:Last weekend together with the Central America Womens Sevens San Jose (Costa Rica) received the U19 Central American Sevens.

Costa Rica defeated Guatemala in the final, 12-00. Panama, El Salvador and Nicaragua were also there. I don't know the final standings.

It was played in the National Stadium! Great achievement.
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It was the Rugby 10's Championship for the U19 not full 15, Guatemala Women's won the 7's championship for the 2nd year Running,

Costa Rica Men's undefeated. Guatemala Runner's up followed up by Panama and then El Salvador

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Re: South American rugby

Postby NaBUru38 » Thu, 19 Oct 2017, 18:21

On Satruday December 16, Rio de Janeiro will host a beach rugby tournament.

http://www.portaldorugby.com.br/noticia ... ais-um-ano

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Re: South American rugby

Postby NaBUru38 » Tue, 24 Oct 2017, 15:28

victorsra wrote: [The Brazilian-Uruguayan pro team] It would be hard a joint venture.


If there's money, they will agree quickly.

victorsra wrote: I don't have a clue about who would finance it


Brazil, of course, they are a bigger market.

victorsra wrote: or which one would have more players


Uruguay, of course, we always defeat you!

victorsra wrote: It would be odd that Brazil pays the thing to have the Teros


Having a pro team would mean profiting from sponsors and TV.

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Re: South American rugby

Postby victorsra » Tue, 24 Oct 2017, 15:47

So why we would pay for you to be stronger than us? (EDIT...)

It is Super Challenge.lets be honest, it wont produce audience enough to be profitable. It will be a miracle if it pays all the costs. The formula of TV = sponsors = profit is a myth for minor sports most of the time. Specially today that anything can be shown live on internet
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Re: South American rugby

Postby carbonero » Tue, 24 Oct 2017, 20:40

Impossible to break even in this kind of venture. There are no home games. It is not a great TV product. Most of the matches are played in empty stadiums. Half of them are not even televised. The kick off hours are also problematic: Fridays around 14.00 o’clock in Sao Paulo, plus a couple of early Saturday games. Thus, it is really hard to attract sponsors into the competition.

South Africa’s exchange rate always helps but you have to account three months of accommodation, travel fees, training grounds, player stipends, etc. There is no way to recoup that money through sponsorships.

And Naburu, you need to get a grip. If World Rugby puts money into it, I’m sure that there will be a quota of Uruguayan players. However, the CBRU will use some of their own resources to fund the project. This is not a private venture. If Uruguay is not willing to make the same investment, there will be more Brazilian players in the squad.

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Re: South American rugby

Postby victorsra » Tue, 24 Oct 2017, 21:45

Bolivia will debut!!!

They will play a sevens tournament in Tucumán (Argentina) on November 18th. It will have also Brazil, Paraguay, Chile and a regional Argentina side from Centre-West

http://rugbytucumano.com.ar/torneos/sev ... -cadillal/
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Re: South American rugby

Postby Working Class Rugger » Tue, 24 Oct 2017, 22:18

There's an interesting proposal making its way around World Rugby at present. Apparently, IMG are looking to establish a franchise 7s league in Europe. Which I think is an interesting concept.

I think it could work quite well in other regions as well. Including Sth America. In the IMG proposal it calls for 6 franchises. I think that would be doable in most regions. One or even two in Argentina, one in each of Chile, Uruguay and Brazil and a 6th somewhere perhaps Colombia. There would even be room for womens to run alongside it at the same events with similar billing.

North America could run their own as well. In fact I could think of 6 regions being able to be set up pretty quickly. Top 2 from each could progress to a Champions Tournament or some such hosted somewhere.

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Re: South American rugby

Postby Thomas » Wed, 25 Oct 2017, 08:56

victorsra wrote:Bolivia will debut!!!

They will play a sevens tournament in Tucumán (Argentina) on November 18th. It will have also Brazil, Paraguay, Chile and a regional Argentina side from Centre-West

http://rugbytucumano.com.ar/torneos/sev ... -cadillal/


Here's a summary of the press conference, this is a preparation for the South American Championships in 2018 - Bolivia hosting it.
http://www.lostiempos.com/deportes/mult ... al-tucuman

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Re: South American rugby

Postby victorsra » Wed, 25 Oct 2017, 11:57

This is not the South American Championship! Bolívia will host the South American Games! Two diferent things.
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Re: South American rugby

Postby Thomas » Thu, 26 Oct 2017, 10:43

victorsra wrote:This is not the South American Championship! Bolívia will host the South American Games! Two diferent things.


My bad, I meant South American Games..

Colombia just announced their first ever dedicated Rugby Pitch for the 2017 Bolivarian Games in November. Does that mean is a permanent fixture or just for the games? anyone knows?

https://www.facebook.com/FCRTucanes

*EDIT: I have written to Colombia and they have confirmed is a permanent ground for Colombia Rugby is a 4G Pitch which is even better!!

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Re: South American rugby

Postby victorsra » Thu, 26 Oct 2017, 14:41

Brazil won't play in Tucuman, the Brazilian Rugby Union answered me
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