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Re: South American rugby

Postby getienne » Tue, 15 Aug 2017, 12:33

Guatemala 114 - El Salvador 0

Any nformation about scorers ?

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Re: South American rugby

Postby victorsra » Fri, 18 Aug 2017, 18:03

https://bitacoradeportes.wordpress.com/ ... -de-elite/
http://www.americasrugbynews.com/2017/0 ... pand-2018/

More news: the 2018 South American Championship will be expanded to 6 teams, with Argentina XV, Uruguay, Brazil, Chile, Paraguay and Colombia! A South American 6 Nations that would mean Brazil, Uruguay and Chile playing each other home and away every year (one match in the Americas Rugby Championship and another one in the South American Championship).

This still lacks official source, but it looks like it was revealed during the Sudamérica Rugby Super Week in Medelin.
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Re: South American rugby

Postby carbonero » Sat, 19 Aug 2017, 03:59

Official confirmation: http://fecorugby.co/FCR/?p=2259#more-2259

victorsra wrote: A South American 6 Nations that would mean Brazil, Uruguay and Chile playing each other home and away every year (one match in the Americas Rugby Championship and another one in the South American Championship).

Are you sure about this victor? Argentina and Uruguay can’t open 5 weeks on their calendars. They have to leave some room for their club competitions. I think we will see something along the lines of the Nations Cup.

Colombia will host the ARC “B” in August thus no home/away matches there as well.

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Re: South American rugby

Postby victorsra » Sat, 19 Aug 2017, 13:22

It is the report of those two websites i copied. For Uruguay it is just 1 more match, because it is 5 instead of 3 of the current model + 1 of the Cup. They will be playing between april and may, it doesn't change anything.
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Re: South American rugby

Postby NaBUru38 » Sat, 19 Aug 2017, 19:25

Uruguay and Chile would play only one more match versus Colombia. It's not a big calendar change.

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Re: South American rugby

Postby RugInt » Wed, 23 Aug 2017, 23:45

Guatemala 114 - El Salvador 0


Can this be confirmed as an official test match?

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Re: South American rugby

Postby argie » Thu, 24 Aug 2017, 01:34

dwpeate wrote:Is there any word on a schedule for Sudamerica C yet? I assume the fixture dates are 27th, 30th August and 3rd September?


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Venue: Liceo Franco-Costarricence (San José, Costa Rica)
http://www.sudamericarugby.org/2017/08/ ... -de-rugby/

Sunday, August 27th
Costa Rica – Panamá
Nicaragua – Guatemala

Wednesday, August 30th
Costa Rica – Nicaragua
Guatemala – Panamá

Saturday, September 2nd
Nicaragua – Panamá
Costa Rica – Guatemala

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Re: South American rugby

Postby Canalina » Sun, 27 Aug 2017, 18:33

Costa Rica v Panama 91-5
now Guatemala v Nicaragua (I fear a even larger gap)

Matches are live on https://www.facebook.com/federacionrugbycr/
Updates of the scores https://www.facebook.com/notirugbycr/

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Re: South American rugby

Postby Thomas » Sun, 27 Aug 2017, 22:14

Guatemala 57 - 19 Nicaragua

Guatemala lead 43-0 at Half time...

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Re: South American rugby

Postby victorsra » Wed, 30 Aug 2017, 20:20

South American Division C
2nd round - today
Costa Rica 58-07 Nicarágua - FT
Guatemala 65-05 Panama - FT


Costa Rica-Guatemala on Saturday will decide the title.
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Re: South American rugby

Postby Canalina » Sat, 02 Sep 2017, 18:00

Apparently Nicaragua defeated Panama 31-14

Someone defined it the first ever official victory for Nicaragua rugby

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Re: South American rugby

Postby Thomas » Sat, 02 Sep 2017, 19:32

Just had it confirmed, first ever victory by Nicaragua!

FINAL:

COSTA RICA 8 - 8 Guatemala

Costa Rica Champions on Count back.

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Re: South American rugby

Postby victorsra » Sun, 03 Sep 2017, 06:31

Final score was Nicaragua 46-36 Panama: http://www.sudamericarugby.org/2017/09/ ... yorc-2017/
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Re: South American rugby

Postby Canalina » Thu, 07 Sep 2017, 21:17

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New south american levels according to https://s26.postimg.org/66g7o6ukp/2131486.jpg

Red = 6 Naciones A
Orange = 4 Naciones B
Yellow = 4 Naciones C

Missing nations: Belize, Ecuador (suspended for some reason), Bolivia and Suriname

PS: this file clarifies that Guyane (French Guyana) belongs to Rugby Americas North, there's a RAN symbol on their calendar. So in the map above also Guyane should be in grey
http://s1.static-clubeo.com/uploads/com ... ouwa5t.pdf
In march there's the great derby Guyana v Guyane

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Re: South American rugby

Postby carbonero » Fri, 08 Sep 2017, 04:23

Canalina wrote: New south american levels according to https://s26.postimg.org/66g7o6ukp/2131486.jpg

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It looks like three matches against the other conference. Nice compromise. Five weeks was too much. The club competitions need some breathing room.

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Re: South American rugby

Postby Thomas » Fri, 08 Sep 2017, 12:45

https://s26.postimg.org/66g7o6ukp/2131486.jpg

Ecuador suspended that is interesting.

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Re: South American rugby

Postby RugbyLiebe » Fri, 08 Sep 2017, 13:00

carbonero wrote:
Canalina wrote: New south american levels according to https://s26.postimg.org/66g7o6ukp/2131486.jpg

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It looks like three matches against the other conference. Nice compromise. Five weeks was too much. The club competitions need some breathing room.


Wait, so the most stupid system, that you have two groups, but don't play the teams in your group, was copied?
I honestly reckon this system is like shooting yourself in your foot before running a marathon.
Is there are more stupid fan to keep any possible way away, simply because the competition format is too stupid?

If you want to reduce the time, have teams 3-6 (from the last edition) playing against each other at one place like 3 vs. 6 and 4 vs.5 and than winner and loser against each other.
Than at another place or the same place: The first team plays Urugay away, the second team Argentina away. The final and 3rd place (if wanted) is at a set place. Argentina and Uruguay are replaced by the two finalists. End of story.
3 games, playable in four weeks. All the stadiums are known in advance. Less tavelling costs etc.
How to grow rugby worldwide?
Look at the world ranking in July. Teams ranked 1-10 have to play one team from 11-20 (they don't play in a regular competition) away the next year. 11-20 play 21-30 away and so on. Yes, it really is that simple.

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Re: South American rugby

Postby carbonero » Fri, 08 Sep 2017, 19:06

Wow, you feel very strongly about the format of the Sudamericano A. Relax. It's fine. Everybody gets home and away matches. And Colombia/Paraguay get to play the big boys of the region. Until we have promotion/relegation in the ARC (probably after 2020 when the TV deal ends), it is a good compromise.

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Re: South American rugby

Postby argie » Fri, 08 Sep 2017, 21:04

Isn't it the same system as the WR Nations Cup, and the WR Americas Pacific Challenge?.
Or are home and away matches?.

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Re: South American rugby

Postby victorsra » Fri, 08 Sep 2017, 21:34

Well, that doesn't make any sense this system. The Nations Cup is played in a single venue and they need to have a 3 matchdays schedule. But the South American Championship is flexible and played in multiple venues. We could play inside de groups in May (2 matches each team) and a final round between the 1sts, the 2nds and the 3rds after the June tests or before the November tests.
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Re: South American rugby

Postby NaBUru38 » Fri, 08 Sep 2017, 21:35

That document says "partidos de local o visitante". So it's like Carbonero said.

It seems that Chile got the short end of the stick.
Hopefully we will play at Santiago to compensate.

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Re: South American rugby

Postby RugbyLiebe » Sat, 09 Sep 2017, 18:35

carbonero wrote:Wow, you feel very strongly about the format of the Sudamericano A. Relax. It's fine. Everybody gets home and away matches. And Colombia/Paraguay get to play the big boys of the region. Until we have promotion/relegation in the ARC (probably after 2020 when the TV deal ends), it is a good compromise.


Actually it was partly a question if it is used indeed :D

The European Challenge Cup Qualifier is played that way. Try to explain it to anyone. A facepalm is all you will get.
There is a reason soccer would never use a system like this.
How to grow rugby worldwide?
Look at the world ranking in July. Teams ranked 1-10 have to play one team from 11-20 (they don't play in a regular competition) away the next year. 11-20 play 21-30 away and so on. Yes, it really is that simple.

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Re: South American rugby

Postby victorsra » Wed, 13 Sep 2017, 23:12

So it is really official, Sudamerica Rugby fucked completely what was good: http://www.sudamericarugby.org/2017/09/ ... americano/

The South American Championship will have the ludicrous Nations Cup system. In fact it is worse, because the Nations Cup has this system as it is played in a single venue and the teams can't be there for more than 3 matches. But the South American Championship is played home and away! Congratulations for everybody involved. They could have opted for a tournament with 2 matches inside the group + final. Oh, but they want to have the last round's venue known before! Ok, one home and one away matches in the groups phase + the 3 finals in a pre-determined venue, rotative between the countries. Awesome to see Colombia having an opportunity, but it is pretty much the only good thing.

Well, here you are the format and participants of the three divisions in 2018:

South American Championship A (1st division): May
Group West: Argentina, Chile and Colombia
Group East: Uruguay, Brazil and Paraguay

Teams will play just the teams from the other group. No final. The champion will be the best after 3 rounds.

South American Championship B (2nd division): September/October
Peru, Venezuela, Costa Rica and Guatemala

South American Championship C (3rd division): August
Nicaragua, Panama, El Salvador and Honduras.

Honduras will debut and Ecuador is really out. Nothing about Bolivia...

We also have the Junior competitions

South American U20 Championship (1st division): March
Uruguay, Chile, Brazil and Paraguay

South American U19 Championship (2nd division): June
Colombia, Peru and Venezuela

South American U18 Championship (3rd division) - Ten-a-side: October
Central American countries, TBA
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Re: South American rugby

Postby RugbyLiebe » Thu, 14 Sep 2017, 08:25

victorsra wrote:So it is really official, Sudamerica Rugby fucked completely what was good: http://www.sudamericarugby.org/2017/09/ ... americano/

The South American Championship will have the ludicrous Nations Cup system. In fact it is worse, because the Nations Cup has this system as it is played in a single venue and the teams can't be there for more than 3 matches. But the South American Championship is played home and away! Congratulations for everybody involved. They could have opted for a tournament with 2 matches inside the group + final. Oh, but they want to have the last round's venue known before! Ok, one home and one away matches in the groups phase + the 3 finals in a pre-determined venue, rotative between the countries. Awesome to see Colombia having an opportunity, but it is pretty much the only good thing.


I simply can not believe how much administration in rugby f*** up every single time. I mean, do they sit together and think about what could be the most fan-unfriendly and complicated format? In ceterum censeo: if soccer does not use a system, it is utter bullshit. They've used everything working already.
How to grow rugby worldwide?
Look at the world ranking in July. Teams ranked 1-10 have to play one team from 11-20 (they don't play in a regular competition) away the next year. 11-20 play 21-30 away and so on. Yes, it really is that simple.

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Re: South American rugby

Postby Thomas » Thu, 14 Sep 2017, 08:40

To put it mildly is a bloody mess... I nearly teared my hair out.. Ok where is the money coming from? Don't Sudamerica Rugby realised in financial terms that is a lot of money to shell out for possible very little reward?

For me is all smoke and mirrors and having been on the ground recently is not reflecting at club level and it means domestic seasons have to be rejigged.

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