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Re: South American rugby

Postby Tobar » Tue, 25 Sep 2018, 13:45

thatrugbyguy wrote:
qwerty wrote:
thatrugbyguy wrote:Good to see. Uruguay are going to be the most competitive they’ve ever been at next years World Cup. Hopefully they really push some teams.


Unfortunately the organization hasn't made it easy for us, we play Georgia 4 days after Fiji.


You can only do the best your can. Honestly, you’re actually not in too difficult a pool this time around.


yeah, honestly that's one of the better pools. You've got Fiji and Georgia which are stronger "lower tiered" countries but then you have Wales and Australia which can be either very good or shit (sorry mate, just comparing to other Tier 1s).

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Re: South American rugby

Postby qwerty » Tue, 25 Sep 2018, 14:14

thatrugbyguy wrote:
qwerty wrote:
thatrugbyguy wrote:Good to see. Uruguay are going to be the most competitive they’ve ever been at next years World Cup. Hopefully they really push some teams.


Unfortunately the organization hasn't made it easy for us, we play Georgia 4 days after Fiji.


You can only do the best your can. Honestly, you’re actually not in too difficult a pool this time around.


Definitely better than in 2015, that was wild.

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Re: South American rugby

Postby qwerty » Tue, 25 Sep 2018, 14:17

Tobar wrote:South Americans set to shine in MLR. Three Uruguayans are joining MLR - Santiago Arata, Ignacio Dotti and Santiago Vilaseca. Arata is being linked to the Sabercats.


http://www.americasrugbynews.com/2018/0 ... gue-rugby/


This means we'd have 8 players based overseas in the next RWC.

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Re: South American rugby

Postby thatrugbyguy » Tue, 25 Sep 2018, 14:43

Tobar wrote:
yeah, honestly that's one of the better pools. You've got Fiji and Georgia which are stronger "lower tiered" countries but then you have Wales and Australia which can be either very good or shit (sorry mate, just comparing to other Tier 1s).


It’s true though. The Wallabies are a mess right now. If there was ever a time for Fiji or Georgia to beat us it’s next year. Even Uruguay will probably push us further than we are comfortable with. I fully expect them to finish second next year, if we’re lucky.

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Re: South American rugby

Postby Tobar » Tue, 25 Sep 2018, 14:59

Last time Uruguay played against Australia at the 2015 RWC they lost 65-3. I'd like to see that score halved.

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Re: South American rugby

Postby Working Class Rugger » Wed, 26 Sep 2018, 05:27

Tobar wrote:Last time Uruguay played against Australia at the 2015 RWC they lost 65-3. I'd like to see that score halved.


You probably won't see it halved but hopefully 15 or so points less in the margin and a more competitive showing all round. And hopefully at least a try added to their total.

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Re: South American rugby

Postby Canalina » Wed, 26 Sep 2018, 05:41

Venezuela is apparently excluded by the South American B due to the Guatemalan refusal to concede them visas.
Peru federation stigmatized this decision.

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Re: South American rugby

Postby Thomas » Wed, 26 Sep 2018, 07:55

The press release and subsequent comments by Peru indicate it was the Guatemalan Consulate.

Official Press Conference doesn't say anything:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67s9ll6 ... e=youtu.be

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Re: South American rugby

Postby Thomas » Wed, 26 Sep 2018, 08:08

Official statement from Venezuela

The Venezuelan Rugby team is waiting for a solution, after being denied the visa to athletes for Guatemala. Which prevents the participation of the Creole group in the #South american 4 nations to be held in that country, from 30 September to 6 October.
Remember that those directed by Mario Urdaneta, have had two months of preparation to represent in the best way the national tricolor in the international tournament part of the regional "B"

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Re: South American rugby

Postby Thomas » Wed, 26 Sep 2018, 14:13

I have sent several emails and asking what is the situation with Venezuela but as of this moment all very quiet. I would like to know what is South America Rugby doing on the even of the tournament.

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Re: South American rugby

Postby Canalina » Wed, 26 Sep 2018, 21:18

Asociación Guatemalteca still calls the tournament "4 Naciones"; if this is a clue, there could still be room for a venezuelan participation
https://www.facebook.com/asociacionguatemaltecaderugby/

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Re: South American rugby

Postby carbonero » Wed, 26 Sep 2018, 22:04

The Pumitas coach said that next November in Paraguay there is going to be an U18 Sudamericano > http://rugby.com.ar/jose-pellicena-nues ... lto-nivel/

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Re: South American rugby

Postby victorsra » Thu, 27 Sep 2018, 03:31

Yes. And a sevens U18s in Chile in december.

Sudamerica Rugby is not doing the communication work properly.
Brazilian Rugby News: www.portaldorugby.com.br

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Re: South American rugby

Postby Thomas » Thu, 27 Sep 2018, 09:09

Canalina wrote:Asociación Guatemalteca still calls the tournament "4 Naciones"; if this is a clue, there could still be room for a venezuelan participation
https://www.facebook.com/asociacionguatemaltecaderugby/


The latest press report on the matter:

https://www.prensalibre.com/deportes/de ... e-de-visas

According to Guatemala reports Venezuela applied for Visa 21 days ago, Guatemalan Government requirements is 90 days for international events.

so is not just an outright denial but not following certain processes from what I make of this in the article.

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Re: South American rugby

Postby Canalina » Thu, 27 Sep 2018, 20:34

Some updates on Venezuela's case? Just three days to the first kick off.
According to a google search all the last articles say more or less the same of the article linked by Thomas.
A think I can't understand is this: Guatemala requires an anticipation of 90 days to applicate for visas but how a federation may know the names of the players needing a visa three months before the event? I don't think they just may ask "around 30 visas, then, you know, some days before the departure we will say you the exact names"...

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Re: South American rugby

Postby SallesNeto_BR » Thu, 27 Sep 2018, 22:19

It smells like Guatemala avoiding new Venezuelan refugees...

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Re: South American rugby

Postby Canalina » Fri, 28 Sep 2018, 04:56

Guatemala's consulate said they are always ready to work for sport urgencies on visa application but that Venezuela didn't mention any urgency. Two days and an half to the first game, I still hope they may solve the problem; Venezuela should be able to win the first game also with a late arrival in the country.

There are some discrepancies about the schedule: Venezuela meet Guatemala in the first round according to Sud America Rugby, they meet Costa Rica according to other sources

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Re: South American rugby

Postby dwpeate » Fri, 28 Sep 2018, 18:04

Is anyone able to say what the text on the image says in this tweet?
https://twitter.com/Oliver_DSR/status/1 ... 3167640576

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Re: South American rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Fri, 28 Sep 2018, 18:07

They promise they aren't staying in Guatemala beyond the end of the tournament.

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Re: South American rugby

Postby Thomas » Fri, 28 Sep 2018, 18:11

They also say they are in Caracas in some form of holding pattern trying to sort the visa issue.

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Re: South American rugby

Postby carbonero » Fri, 28 Sep 2018, 21:10

Argentina XV squad for the APC >

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The squad is younger than usual with eight U20s. Argentina XV used 79 different players in the season. No news about the next head coach. The three notable inclusions are the return of flyhalf Domingo Miotti, 7s star Matias Osadczuk and former Spain U18 international Lucas Paulos, who will get cap tied for Argentina in this tournament.

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Re: South American rugby

Postby Thomas » Sat, 29 Sep 2018, 07:32

Press RELEASE from Sudamerica Rugby: http://www.sudamericarugby.org/2018/09/ ... o-mayor-b/

The format of the South American tournament B, 4 nations, had to be modified at the last moment as one of the participating countries, Venezuela, for reasons beyond The organization of the tournament and rugby, could not travel to Antigua, Guatemala.

Therefore:, the new fixture will be as follows:
1. Sunday 30th September: Guatemala vs Costa Rica
2. Wednesday, October 3: Peru vs Costa Rica
3. Saturday, October 6th: Guatemala vs Peru.


Víctor Luaces, Secretary of South America Rugby, said: "For events related to international circumstances outside the sport in general and rugby in particular, we had to modify our tournament for the non-participation of Venezuela."

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Re: South American rugby

Postby Thomas » Sun, 30 Sep 2018, 16:10

LIVE MATCH

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFOqpUBd0MY

Guatemala v Costa Rica

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Re: South American rugby

Postby Thomas » Sun, 30 Sep 2018, 17:12

Half time score 8-0 to Guatemala, not a very good game. too many dropped passes and handling errors. Costa Rica has had the greater possession and attacking options. Guatemala have taken advantage of the opportunities and able to score.

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Re: South American rugby

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