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Re: South American rugby

Postby victorsra » Thu, 15 Nov 2018, 18:03

Chile played Argentina XV in the Concepcion area too in the ARC recently.
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Re: South American rugby

Postby qwerty » Thu, 15 Nov 2018, 18:11

Eventually FRCh should have its stadium, like Uruguay has Charrúa.

Maybe build good stands in Parque Mahuida.

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Re: South American rugby

Postby ficcp » Thu, 15 Nov 2018, 18:54

There is an enviromental problem related to the Union stadium(Parque Mahuida). The whole park has only one entrance, and there is only one avenue(one lane per side) linking this park with the city. When Chile plays there before 1.000 people it produces a major traffic jam due to only 250 vehicles. The Policy of the Union has been to kept it as a training center and for low call matches .
My impression is that it is not possible to build 2.000 or 3.000 stands due to the very demanding enviromental process required. You must answer the same question referred to a supermarket or housing project : ¿How will you affect the traffic and what do you propose as mitigation measures? FERUCHI (the Union)does not have funding to mitigate the traffic effects.
I would play all the matches in the regions after a dynamic and intense promotion on each area.

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Re: South American rugby

Postby qwerty » Thu, 15 Nov 2018, 19:39

I saw there is a new stadium in the middle, Estadio Municipal Arturo Vidal. Maybe that's a good option as well.

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Re: South American rugby

Postby victorsra » Thu, 15 Nov 2018, 21:50

Isn't the 2023 Pan-American Games the perfect momment for Chilean rugby to settle a proper venue in Santiago?
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Re: South American rugby

Postby ficcp » Fri, 16 Nov 2018, 01:34

qwerty wrote:I saw there is a new stadium in the middle, Estadio Municipal Arturo Vidal. Maybe that's a good option as well.

La Pintana is much better. San joaquin Stadium (Arturo Vidal) is smaller , it is the home of American Football activities.

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Re: South American rugby

Postby ficcp » Fri, 16 Nov 2018, 01:56

victorsra wrote:Isn't the 2023 Pan-American Games the perfect momment for Chilean rugby to settle a proper venue in Santiago?


No way ¡¡¡ The budget prepared by the previous government fell short, so it is impossible to add new works to it. The original plan considered San Carlos stadium for Rugby, Football, Mountainbike and horse Riding. It is an excelent venue for Rugby Seven.

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Re: South American rugby

Postby Working Class Rugger » Fri, 16 Nov 2018, 02:14

ficcp wrote:
victorsra wrote:Isn't the 2023 Pan-American Games the perfect momment for Chilean rugby to settle a proper venue in Santiago?


No way ¡¡¡ The budget prepared by the previous government fell short, so it is impossible to add new works to it. The original plan considered San Carlos stadium for Rugby, Football, Mountainbike and horse Riding. It is an excelent venue for Rugby Seven.


Pretty sure he was suggesting finding a stadium that they can play all the national team and potentially larger club games at as opposed to actually developing a stadium.

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Re: South American rugby

Postby victorsra » Fri, 16 Nov 2018, 16:28

Yes. A Charrua-like stadium.
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Re: South American rugby

Postby dwpeate » Sat, 17 Nov 2018, 21:46

Paraguay 22 - 73 Sudamerica XV (4 tries to 11)

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Re: South American rugby

Postby ficcp » Wed, 21 Nov 2018, 11:27

Working Class Rugger wrote:
ficcp wrote:
victorsra wrote:Isn't the 2023 Pan-American Games the perfect momment for Chilean rugby to settle a proper venue in Santiago?


No way ¡¡¡ The budget prepared by the previous government fell short, so it is impossible to add new works to it. The original plan considered San Carlos stadium for Rugby, Football, Mountainbike and horse Riding. It is an excelent venue for Rugby Seven.


Pretty sure he was suggesting finding a stadium that they can play all the national team and potentially larger club games at as opposed to actually developing a stadium.


La Pintana stadium was chosen by FERUCHI to fulfill the role of "national Rugby stadium".

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Re: South American rugby

Postby thatrugbyguy » Wed, 21 Nov 2018, 13:16

Is this stadium an option for the future? 12,000 capacity.

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Re: South American rugby

Postby victorsra » Wed, 21 Nov 2018, 16:18

This stadium is used by the football club Audax Italiano (Chile's top division). But if I am not wrong La Pintana is also used by a football club, Santiago Morning (2nd division), right? So they could change according to availability....

We should have a better small stadium in São Paulo. The ideal for rugby are 10-15.000 people boutique stadiums. But this is the ideal world. Portuguesa wants to rebuild Canindé stadium, but I REALLY doubt they'll progress with this project. It would have 20.000 seats:

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Re: South American rugby

Postby ficcp » Wed, 21 Nov 2018, 16:35

victorsra wrote:This stadium is used by the football club Audax Italiano (Chile's top division). But if I am not wrong La Pintana is also used by a football club, Santiago Morning (2nd division), right? So they could change according to availability....

We should have a better small stadium in São Paulo. The ideal for rugby are 10-15.000 people boutique stadiums. But this is the ideal world. Portuguesa wants to rebuild Canindé stadium, but I REALLY doubt they'll progress with this project. It would have 20.000 seats:

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You are quite well informed. Audax is our Palmeiras but they are not as strong. Nor in football neither in balance sheet.

My information ( I have not seen the contracts) is that La Pintana offers a much flexible and looser alternative than La Florida. The latter was built for a FIFA cup and it has its standards, which requires a higher maintenance cost. La Pintana is a smaller and simpler outfit.

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Re: South American rugby

Postby qwerty » Wed, 21 Nov 2018, 16:36

victorsra wrote:This stadium is used by the football club Audax Italiano (Chile's top division). But if I am not wrong La Pintana is also used by a football club, Santiago Morning (2nd division), right? So they could change according to availability....

We should have a better small stadium in São Paulo. The ideal for rugby are 10-15.000 people boutique stadiums. But this is the ideal world. Portuguesa wants to rebuild Canindé stadium, but I REALLY doubt they'll progress with this project. It would have 20.000 seats:

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You have the Estádio do Ibirapuera. I guess it's not a great venue, but it's of the correct size, and it has a great location.

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Re: South American rugby

Postby victorsra » Wed, 21 Nov 2018, 17:27

We don't. It is closed and the State government wants to demolish it.

If by a miracle they give up from this plan it would need major renovations because the track and field structure did interfere in any attempt to play rugby there. The field is too small and surrounded by cement scape areas... and there is no VIP area (CBRu needs one) and the press area is bizarre (you simply can't see the whole field from there). The ideal would be to have a partnership between Rugby and Athletics to share it after renovations... that sadly won't happen.
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Re: South American rugby

Postby qwerty » Wed, 21 Nov 2018, 17:46

Oof. From Google maps it looked like a great place.

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Re: South American rugby

Postby victorsra » Wed, 21 Nov 2018, 21:12

Brazilian team to face Tucumán on Friday, 9 PM (Argentina time), at the Tucumán Lawn Tennis:

http://www.portaldorugby.com.br/noticia ... om-tucuman


Oof. From Google maps it looked like a great place.

It is. But I doubt it will survive the next government.
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Re: South American rugby

Postby 4N » Wed, 21 Nov 2018, 21:22

Why so few players from Farrapos if they made the final?

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Re: South American rugby

Postby victorsra » Wed, 21 Nov 2018, 21:37

Top clubs are very even. Farrapos players have a high performance academy, but it is considered a development academy.

Apart from Jardel Vettorato, that is the biggest name of Rio Grande do Sul's rugby, there are two other Farrapos forwards that are capped, Mauricio Canterle and Angelo Velasco (not sure why they are not in the team). In the backine, Farrapos has Guilherme Coghetto, with many caps (but he spend a year in Australia and now is not being called), and two Argentines that are responsible for the good results: Javi Cardozo (also the coach of the Bento Gonçalves' academy) and Facundo Flores (that is definitly one of Super 16's MVPs). These are Farrapos' top players.

The wing Murillo Bonesso is a promissing youngster that played for the U20s 7s national team and you might see him soon in the Tupis.
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Re: South American rugby

Postby 4N » Wed, 21 Nov 2018, 21:38

Names I will keep an eye out for. Thanks.

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Re: South American rugby

Postby victorsra » Wed, 21 Nov 2018, 21:39

The debutant in Tupis squad is Poli's João Talamini. He was one of Poli's key players in the Super 16 (and almost MVP in the final). Look at him too.
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Re: South American rugby

Postby victorsra » Fri, 23 Nov 2018, 22:19

Brasil

1 Lucas Abud, 2 Murilo “Nelson” Rebolo, 3 Jardel Vettorato, 4 Lucas “Bruxinho” Piero, 5 Cléber “Gelado” Dias, 6 Michael “Ilha” Oliveira, 7 Arthur Bergo, 8 André ‘Buda” Arruda , 9 Douglas Rauth, 10 Josh Reeves , 11 Robert Tenório, 12 Valentin Garcia, 13 Felipe Sancery (c), 14 Lucas “Zé” Tranquez, 15 Daniel Sancery;

Suplentes: 16 Endy Willian, 17 João “Sininho” Talamini, 18 Pedro Bengaló, 19 Gabriel Paganini, 20 Devon Muller, 21 Daniel “Maranhão” Silva, 22 Jacobus De Wet Van Niekerk, 23 Stefano Giantorno;

Tucumán

1 Lucio Urueña, 2 Luciano Proto, 3 Rodrigo Navarro, 4 Jorge Herrera, 5 José María Young, 6 Nicolás Proto, 7 Juan Martín Guerineau, 8 Santiago Aguilar, 9 Gonzalo García, 10 Tomás Albornoz, 11 Pablo Avellaneda, 12 Gabriel Ascárate, 13 Ignacio Albornoz, 14 Lucas Cartier, 15 Jorge Domínguez.

Suplentes: 16 Francisco Trejo, 17 José Luis González, 18 Ramón Sánchez, 19 Santiago Pérez, 20 Mariano Perondi, 21 Nicolás Alvizo, 22 Matías Ferro, 23 Agustín Cortés;
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Re: South American rugby

Postby victorsra » Fri, 23 Nov 2018, 22:23

New South American U18 Championship. 15-a-side games but with only 2 halves of 20 minutes.

In Asunción, Nov 30th and 1st. Paraguay, Brazil, Uruguai, Chile and Argentina.

http://www.sudamericarugby.org/2018/11/ ... challenge/
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Re: South American rugby

Postby carbonero » Fri, 23 Nov 2018, 22:46

Seven de la República to add Chile and Brazil > http://www.tercertiemporugby.com.ar/el- ... lica-2018/

Paraguay, Chile and Brazil start in the second tier of the competition. Uruguay got promoted last year. The next step should be the U18 Campeonato Argentino.

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