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Re: South American rugby

Postby Working Class Rugger » Thu, 11 Apr 2019, 10:17

Raven wrote:https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/rugby-franquicias-de-penarol-y-nacional-tendran-presupuesto-de-us-1-millon-anuales-20194917758

Besides a big picture of the whole Liga Suramericana (with emphasis in Uruguay) the main news in this article might be the hinted confirmation that it will probably take a year longer than what was originally planned (Kick Off 2021 almost confirmed) despite the various times we read or heard many bard members talking about an ASAP launch, starting in 2020 was always going to be a bit of a stretch.


It mentions $1m USD budgets. Wonder whether that just for talent or total operating.

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Re: South American rugby

Postby TheStroBro » Thu, 11 Apr 2019, 17:15

Raven wrote:https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/rugby-franquicias-de-penarol-y-nacional-tendran-presupuesto-de-us-1-millon-anuales-20194917758

Besides a big picture of the whole Liga Suramericana (with emphasis in Uruguay) the main news in this article might be the hinted confirmation that it will probably take a year longer than what was originally planned (Kick Off 2021 almost confirmed) despite the various times we read or heard many bard members talking about an ASAP launch, starting in 2020 was always going to be a bit of a stretch.

I truly hate the idea of the Union owning 51% of each franchise. Basically says they aren't putting in much cash overall.

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Re: South American rugby

Postby Tobar » Tue, 16 Apr 2019, 02:40

Colombian coaches have been spending lots of time in training sessions with other SA coaches. This seems to be the case for all training staffs across the continent. Great to see coordination.

https://twitter.com/sudamericarugby/sta ... 59042?s=21

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Re: South American rugby

Postby NaBUru38 » Thu, 18 Apr 2019, 19:40

As part of the Sudamérica Rugby Women's Forum, Asunción will host a women's sevens tournament on April 27-28.

Group A: Brazil, Uruguay, Costa Rica
Group B: Argentina, Paraguay, Venezuela
Group C: Perú, Chile, Guatemala

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Re: South American rugby

Postby victorsra » Thu, 18 Apr 2019, 20:20

Working Class Rugger wrote:
Raven wrote:https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/rugby-franquicias-de-penarol-y-nacional-tendran-presupuesto-de-us-1-millon-anuales-20194917758

Besides a big picture of the whole Liga Suramericana (with emphasis in Uruguay) the main news in this article might be the hinted confirmation that it will probably take a year longer than what was originally planned (Kick Off 2021 almost confirmed) despite the various times we read or heard many bard members talking about an ASAP launch, starting in 2020 was always going to be a bit of a stretch.


It mentions $1m USD budgets. Wonder whether that just for talent or total operating.


IFAIK it is for the whole operation. What i heard here in Brazil was between 1.5 and 2m.

2020 looked really short time for the region. It will be really hard to get the money.
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Re: South American rugby

Postby thatrugbyguy » Thu, 18 Apr 2019, 23:32

It's better for them to take their time. I'd rather they spend an extra 12 months developing the internal structures and financing first before diving in unprepared.

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Re: South American rugby

Postby carbonero » Fri, 19 Apr 2019, 06:34

Paraguay lost 95-8 against Tucumán. Not a great look for their potential franchise.

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Re: South American rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Fri, 19 Apr 2019, 13:38

Hourcade said once again that Paraguayan franchise won't have more than 8-10 local players:
https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/da ... 0194171348

So it will be all about the quality of Argentinians and Islanders brought in.

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Re: South American rugby

Postby carbonero » Fri, 19 Apr 2019, 16:23

You have to consider that the potential Tucuman franchise is going to be much better than this. Only 3 of their 26 players were part of Argentina XV. Also, Paraguay won’t get the cream of the crop in terms of foreign players. The gap is too big to bridge.

Colombia and Paraguay should focus first on their HP programs, export their best players to other franchises and then try to enter in 2024.

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Re: South American rugby

Postby qwerty » Fri, 19 Apr 2019, 20:06

I've always thought that in the beginning there should be about 4 or 6 Argentine franchises, 1 or 2 from Uruguay and 1 from Brazil and 1 from Chile. Start with what there's the most resources.

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Re: South American rugby

Postby Tobar » Fri, 19 Apr 2019, 22:32

carbonero wrote:Colombia and Paraguay should focus first on their HP programs, export their best players to other franchises and then try to enter in 2024.


Agreed. As stated in the article, they have a high growth of players but the overall standard is low, which is why they created their HP program in the Copa Colombia. So now they have 150 of the best players playing against each other for around 5 weeks each year, a great start. But they should definitely consider putting their starting 15 in different LSR franchises.

Paraguay is focusing on this too soon because they're afraid of being left out (just like how Colombia doesn't want that to happen). But these 2-3 years will mean nothing compared to the long term goals of the league.

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Re: South American rugby

Postby IanCleverly » Sun, 21 Apr 2019, 22:54

Mini report about a Youth Coach in a town in Colombia.


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Re: South American rugby

Postby Tobar » Mon, 22 Apr 2019, 17:26

Nice find. I didn't realize until after watching that I've heard of this foundation before - Buen Punto helps kids play rugby as well as surf. It's an odd combination and they don't play the two sports in the same place (surfing is in the Choco Department which is obviously along the water) but both have gotten support from Australians. Mosquera is right outside Bogota which is pretty much #2 in rugby in the country because it's the capital with plenty of expats (and good rugby weather too).

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Re: South American rugby

Postby victorsra » Tue, 23 Apr 2019, 09:12

Perfect what Hourcade says about Chile and Brazil: https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/da ... 0194171348
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Re: South American rugby

Postby Canalina » Tue, 23 Apr 2019, 13:11

Bolivia is trying to assemble a XV national team, according to what appeared on facebook.
Their "pre-seleccion" is gathering for the "first mini-cycle" of trainings

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Re: South American rugby

Postby ficcp » Tue, 23 Apr 2019, 20:45

victorsra wrote:Perfect what Hourcade says about Chile and Brazil: https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/da ... 0194171348


I disagree with you victorsra. Hourcade´s appreciation concerning Chile was superficial and only partially right because :

1.- SEVENS : He has not considered at all the effort and commitment showed by this team and squad during the last 4 years. They are not professional players but they are working as such. They spend one third of the year out of the country so they must postpone personal goals in which concerns studies and non Rugby professional carrers.

2.- CLUBS AND TEAMS which are not part of the traditional "Rugby enviroment". There are many of them in the regions as well in some areas of Santiago which never were Rugby oriented. These people do have a strong commitment to practice Rugby and to keep it alive in their cities or in lower economic areas of Santiago. For them is much harder to train or to play every weekend than the clubs,

Rugby in Chile is not played only by wealthy people (as it was before) but most of the clubs are established among the upper economic levels. As there is concentration of Wealth and Income in the country there is also a concentration Of Rugby.

The best Rugby players at 18 or 20 years old are the product of british schools and also of 2 or 3 multisport clubs. They belong to a medium and high economic enviroment which explain why are the best of the lot : Some of them have been trained for 10 or 12 years , counting with excellent facilities , good coaching and a strong competition against teams of similar conditions (private schools). As they come from a wealthy economic level they have many opportunities such as University, jobs, social network,etc. Very few of them have opted for a carrer as a professional Rugbier and they do it abroad. Even with a local professional league, they would have few incentives to play pro Rugby because their alternative cost is too high. Rugby is not everything for them and their commitment is certainly not full, If Hourcade talks about this group then he is right.

In my opinion, the future of Professionalism in Chile goes along with the further development of clubs which are not part of the "traditional enviroment" (existing and new). Children and youngsters with less economic endowment can see Rugby as another possibility in life in order to increase their social and economic position, as it happens with football. I would love to see many Alexis Sanchez and Arturos Vidal playing Rugby in first level international clubs. In order to reach that goal it is necessary a real development policy from the National Union and the regional associations in order to bring Rugby to areas which is not practiced (public schools) and to strengthen the player development and the competition among the newcomers.

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Re: South American rugby

Postby victorsra » Tue, 23 Apr 2019, 20:51

Well, about Brazil he is right. We have almost nothing apart from senior national teams.

I believe what he wants to say is that high performance 15s rugby is not being done with the proper mentality in the top of the pyramid. It is a statement concerned about Los Cóndores XV indeed. Brazil struggled with high performance mentality too for many years in the national team and still in clubs. But Rodolfo Ambrosio changed this in Tupis' group culture. However, of course your sevens suggests differently...
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Re: South American rugby

Postby ficcp » Tue, 23 Apr 2019, 21:03

Is the current Brazil XV team pro? Are they only dedicated to Rugby?

I do not expect that approach in Chile among the "most favoured", it is necessary to broaden the base of Rugby players to get it.

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Re: South American rugby

Postby thatrugbyguy » Tue, 23 Apr 2019, 22:32

Hourcade being so open is actually a good thing, because the more honest everyone is about where each nation is in South America the better the chance of finding solutions are.

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Re: South American rugby

Postby victorsra » Wed, 24 Apr 2019, 08:37

ficcp wrote:Is the current Brazil XV team pro? Are they only dedicated to Rugby?

I do not expect that approach in Chile among the "most favoured", it is necessary to broaden the base of Rugby players to get it.

Yes, both men's and women's national teams are full pro. While our men's club rugby is REALLY behind yours.
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Re: South American rugby

Postby ficcp » Thu, 25 Apr 2019, 14:45

thatrugbyguy wrote:Hourcade being so open is actually a good thing, because the more honest everyone is about where each nation is in South America the better the chance of finding solutions are.

His diagnose is clear for most of the chilean people. It would help more to get good advise in which concerns the establishing of Professionalism: ¿How to approach the main potential investors?, ¿how to do the Marketing of Rugby? ¿What about the central and local governments? There are many examples of failure in Sports different than Soccer.

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Re: South American rugby

Postby Tobar » Sun, 28 Apr 2019, 15:49

Confirmed: La Liga Sudamericana begins March 2020

https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/el ... 9428122412

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Re: South American rugby

Postby Thomas » Sun, 28 Apr 2019, 16:18

Press release from South America Rugby:

http://sudamerica.rugby/espanol/la-super-liga-americana-de-rugby-comenzara-en-2020-3?nid=121

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La Súper Liga Americana de Rugby comenzará en 2020
South America Rugby announces the beginning of the American Rugby Super League from March 2020, with six franchises of the region.
With the central organization of South America Rugby, the six teams will be distributed in strategic countries of the region. The league will grow to eight franchises for the second season, in 2021, providing greater opportunities in new markets.
"For the growth and high performance of the region, this type of competition is fundamental, since it will allow us to continue growing from the game," said Sebastián Piñeyrúa, president of South America Rugby.
"It has the endorsement and support of World Rugby, whom we also thank."
Piñeyrúa added: "Another central goal of the league is to generate a clear path to excellence for players, an attractive product for fans and children and youth from all over South America, the chance to dream of being part of this tournament someday."
In its first season, the SLAR will be played in a system all against all, two rounds (local and visitor), with sum of points. The first four will play semifinals and conclude with a final.
Since last year, he joined South America Rugby Daniel Hourcade as manager of high performance, collaborating with the unions in the region with, among other objectives, to make this SLAR a competitive league, with the highest standards.
Daniel Hourcade added: "We know that this league will give the region the necessary competence to continue growing, boost its selected and that its players can aspire to play in Rugby World Cup representing their nations."
As more news emerges, South America Rugby will report through its channels.

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Re: South American rugby

Postby NaBUru38 » Sun, 28 Apr 2019, 19:10

Uruguay is "ready" to have two franchises: http://www.uru.org.uy/uruguay-se-prepar ... 13?nid=949

I think this first season will have 2 teams from Argentina, Brazil and Uruguay each. The projects from Chile and Paraguay seem to be unready for 2020.

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Re: South American rugby

Postby TheStroBro » Sun, 28 Apr 2019, 22:15

A league owned by Unions is destined to fail. Although establishing a professional league is important to grow Rugby, having majority Union ownership just sounds beyond horrible. Professionalism is meant to be commercial and Unions are there to govern and administer the sport at the Amateur level and run national teams. Running franchises requires Professional sports people.

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