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Re: South American rugby

Postby victorsra » Mon, 21 Oct 2019, 22:15

Sudamerica Rugby has just cancelled the South American U18s Sevens that would be played next weekend in Chile (due to the ongoing protests)..
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Re: South American rugby

Postby Return_of_BG_97 » Tue, 22 Oct 2019, 03:06

The entire LATAM region doesn't surprise me with anything these days...

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Re: South American rugby

Postby Tobar » Tue, 29 Oct 2019, 15:08

Uruguay gets a vote on the WR council

http://www.americasrugbynews.com/2019/1 ... aOSS6yuEgM

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Re: South American rugby

Postby dwpeate » Thu, 31 Oct 2019, 13:41

Is there any South American XVs tournaments happening this year now? Not seen a thing about Mayor B or C

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Re: South American rugby

Postby NaBUru38 » Thu, 31 Oct 2019, 14:24

The Torneo Valentín Martínez will be held at Carrasco Polo on November 8-9. The 9 women's national teams will be Argentina, Brazil, Chile, Colombia, Costa Rica, Guatemala, Paraguay, Perú and hosts Uruguay.

Sudamérica Rugby promises a 3-round women's 7s series.

http://sudamerica.rugby/espanol/sar7s-s ... -3?nid=250

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Re: South American rugby

Postby carbonero » Thu, 31 Oct 2019, 22:12

Seven de la República schedule with invitations for Chile, Uruguay, Paraguay and Brazil > https://www.tercertiemporugby.com.ar/el ... lica-2019/

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Re: South American rugby

Postby carbonero » Wed, 06 Nov 2019, 20:42

1. Uruguay will host the Nations Cup in 2020 and they are nearing an agreement to play Italy in November > https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/lo ... 9116155257

2. Chile - Portugal got moved to the mini stadium outside of San Carlos de Apoquindo > https://www.periodismo-rugby.cl/2019/11 ... e-san.html

The match was scheduled in Valparaiso but got suspended due to the social unrest. Streaming in their Facebook page. They are facing San Juan this weekend to prepare for the game.

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Re: South American rugby

Postby victorsra » Wed, 06 Nov 2019, 21:24

carbonero wrote:Seven de la República schedule with invitations for Chile, Uruguay, Paraguay and Brazil > https://www.tercertiemporugby.com.ar/el ... lica-2019/

Very unlikely to see Brazil playing it.
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Re: South American rugby

Postby Tobar » Wed, 06 Nov 2019, 21:28

If also mentions 4 players that will sign with Uruguayan franchises, 2 from Portugal’s u20 team and 2 from Namibia. There are also going to be 12 Islanders among the 7 franchises.

The match against Italy will also join 2 other matches in Europe against “Tier 2 rivals” so my guess is Spain and Romania. I could also see Georgia or Germany, though don’t see them getting Georgia and Italy and also don’t see them going down to Germany.

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Re: South American rugby

Postby victorsra » Fri, 08 Nov 2019, 03:59

South American B Championship (XVs 2nd division) was cancelled.
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Re: South American rugby

Postby ficcp » Fri, 08 Nov 2019, 12:02

carbonero wrote:1. Uruguay will host the Nations Cup in 2020 and they are nearing an agreement to play Italy in November > https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/lo ... 9116155257

2. Chile - Portugal got moved to the mini stadium outside of San Carlos de Apoquindo > https://www.periodismo-rugby.cl/2019/11 ... e-san.html

The match was scheduled in Valparaiso but got suspended due to the social unrest. Streaming in their Facebook page. They are facing San Juan this weekend to prepare for the game.


Not so "mini" for chilean standards . Universidad Catolica (the owner club) have received until 14 k people there. It has been several times de venue of international Rugby matches and competitions such as the match of Maoris AB last November.

It is being placed in an area of Santiago where the so called "pacific" demonstrations have not arrived. In Valparaiso it would have been impossible to guarantee safety forpolayers and assistants.

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Re: South American rugby

Postby qwerty » Fri, 08 Nov 2019, 12:41

ficcp wrote:
carbonero wrote:1. Uruguay will host the Nations Cup in 2020 and they are nearing an agreement to play Italy in November > https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/lo ... 9116155257

2. Chile - Portugal got moved to the mini stadium outside of San Carlos de Apoquindo > https://www.periodismo-rugby.cl/2019/11 ... e-san.html

The match was scheduled in Valparaiso but got suspended due to the social unrest. Streaming in their Facebook page. They are facing San Juan this weekend to prepare for the game.


Not so "mini" for chilean standards . Universidad Catolica (the owner club) have received until 14 k people there. It has been several times de venue of international Rugby matches and competitions such as the match of Maoris AB last November.

It is being placed in an area of Santiago where the so called "pacific" demonstrations have not arrived. In Valparaiso it would have been impossible to guarantee safety forpolayers and assistants.


Isn't he talking about the athletics field next to the Universidad Católica stadium?

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Re: South American rugby

Postby ficcp » Fri, 08 Nov 2019, 12:59

You are right, its capacity is around 1,5 K without confortable seats. Finals of Rugby first division have been played there quite successfully. The exposition to sun at this time of the year and at the scheduled hour of the match will be hard to bear.

In any case, as I explained in other post, this area of Santiago is far away from non pacific demonstrations and the safety of the portuguese delegation will not be at risk at all.

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Re: South American rugby

Postby carbonero » Mon, 11 Nov 2019, 05:03

carbonero wrote:Córdoba, Mendoza, Tucumán and Rosario are interested in refloating the Campeonato Argentino for next season. Just three rounds though. They already held talks with URBA, Uruguay and Brazil > http://www.cordobaxv.com.ar/10-anos-de- ... cordobesa/

Tucumán will make an official proposal in the next council meeting > https://www.lagaceta.com.ar/nota/824613 ... lados.html

They are looking to play during March/April. The UAR might need to trim national club competitions to bankroll the project. I don’t know if the provincial unions would be cool with that. Player welfare is another question mark. Amateurs shouldn’t play more than 30 games.

Still, great opportunity for Chile or Uruguay to built depth outside of SLAR.

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Re: South American rugby

Postby ficcp » Mon, 11 Nov 2019, 13:14

I agree 100 %. La Naranja will always be a formidable challenge for a young or established chilean team. I have always argued that if Argentina and most of its regional Unions are so close, the lack of matches between Chile and argentinian provincial teams is a result of poor Management from our Union. I hope Lemoine can grab these opportunities and get more matches out of the international windows. The level of the regional selections would contribute to the growth of the chilean team much more than a match against the Maories.

Of course, if you organise a match between powerful Tucuman it would attract 1 K rugby followers while the MOB match attracted those same followers plus 13 K fans in accordance with WR definition, people who know very few or nothing about Rugby but enjoy the haka and the show.

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Re: South American rugby

Postby dwpeate » Mon, 11 Nov 2019, 15:12

victorsra wrote:South American B Championship (XVs 2nd division) was cancelled.

Shame, do we know who was meant to be competing? No sign of the South American C tournament?

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Re: South American rugby

Postby Tobar » Mon, 11 Nov 2019, 16:47

In fact, in the case of the Argentine franchise that will be present in the American Rugby League, they would not take players from the clubs of Córdoba because it is thought that that first team is the one that is leaving to South Africa to play the Currie Cup. That squad today has four players that play in the rugby cordobés and two that are hired by the UAR, It is a very small number with respect to the number of players we have signed. Today our union has 5,700 players signed - from M15 to First - so that from that amount you get four to a professional team, it is not a number that moves the club equation a lot ”.


I just read the original post re: the Campeonato Argentina. This (translated) part shows a bit how the resistance to professionalism is just holding the game back. 5700 players in the region and only 4 are taken by a "professional" team. Surely the advent of professional would increase the amount of money poured into the game and spread the game to more players and fans in the country. Sure, short term they may lose a handful of their best players but long term it would be terrific for the country, especially if each region has their own professional franchise where they can send their local players and keep them close to home.

What exactly was the Campeonato Argentina - was this a tournament between Argentine provinces and Uruguay/Brazil national teams?

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Re: South American rugby

Postby ficcp » Mon, 11 Nov 2019, 18:25

Campeonato Argentino was a tournament for all the argentinian provincial Unions. The last version considered an "A" level with the best 6 teams plus a promotion level composed by 6 teams each. Some times were foreign teams invited (Uruguay, Chile) but to the second string competition.
Last version was played in 2017 and considered Buenos Aires (champion), Tucuman (runner-up), Córdoba, Rosario, Salta and Cuyo.

I had the opportunity to watch one final between Tucumán and Buenos Aires in a crowded tucuman stadium, it was a fantastic show of good Rugby. I sae that the fans were really commited to their side(Tucumán) so if they can make the transition from a provincial team to a franchise identified with the Union, the league will have a lot of potential. If the franchises are not representative of the Unions, it will be difficult for them to get the support from the fans and followers.

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Re: South American rugby

Postby carbonero » Mon, 11 Nov 2019, 18:30

This is a six month temp job. It is naïve to describe it as professional. It won’t move the needle in player retention, spreading the game, youth investment, etc. Look at the Italian league. Is that something desirable from an Argentine viewpoint?

Also, it is not an upgrade from the club game. Maybe that might change with more local franchises but you are asking me to look 10 years into the future. This is South America: long term for us is next week. I’m interested to see the outcome but I feel the need to dampen the expectations…

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Re: South American rugby

Postby ficcp » Mon, 11 Nov 2019, 18:48

[quote="carbonero"]This is a six month temp job. It is naïve to describe it as professional. It won’t move the needle in player retention, spreading the game, youth investment, etc. Look at the Italian league. Is that something desirable from an Argentine viewpoint?

I get your point : desvestir un santo (los clubes) para vestir otro de dudosa existencia (franquicia) no parece tener futuro.
The info concerning the league has been insufficient, unclear anf based on wishes instead of facts. What do you know about the possible franchise located in Córdoba? Is the local Union behind it or people outside the Union? Or the information abour Cordoba is also pure smoke?

I think that If the Unions are not supporting the franchises, the argentinian franchises will be few and of a short life.

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