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Georgian Election/Politics

Postby Coloradoan » Tue, 11 Oct 2016, 19:13

Can anyone tell me about the differences between the various political parties in Georgia? I know Ivanishvili is the leader of Georgian Dream and Saakashvili is the leader of UNM but it's tough to find much about what the parties actually stand for in English.

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Re: Georgian Election/Politics

Postby fullbackace » Sun, 13 Nov 2016, 22:03

Coloradoan wrote:Can anyone tell me about the differences between the various political parties in Georgia? I know Ivanishvili is the leader of Georgian Dream and Saakashvili is the leader of UNM but it's tough to find much about what the parties actually stand for in English.


Both stand for their interests, Saakashvili is basically Georgian Trump and Ivanishvili is Georgian wall street. GD are basically establishment Democrat/Republicans.

Saakashvili blames Ivanishvili for being a russian puppet.(not necessarily true)
Ivanishvili blames Saakashvili for being an authoritarian criminal(debatable, but there is a case for it)


They both suck :thumbup:
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Re: Georgian Election/Politics

Postby Datiko » Fri, 18 Nov 2016, 05:38

Saakashvili was trying to channel Lee Kwan Yew the way he was running Georgia. He did a lot for the country but underestimated the power of populism and was swept out when trying to pull a putin and become PM (after neutering the office of the president). Honestly, Georgian politics is kind of shit. I have relatives who openly support candidates wanting to revive the monarchy out of some crazy hope that they will suddenly have ancient titles restored. UNM had its issues but it was well governed. GD's main position is blame UNM while not really doing anything.

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Re: Georgian Election/Politics

Postby Canalina » Fri, 18 Nov 2016, 06:45

Datiko wrote:underestimated the power of populism

Same problem here in Italy. A former comedian turned out full of grudge and resentment and formed a party with "fuck off", "fight the caste", "little stupid" (about the prime minister) and "corpse" (about the president of the republic) as most recurrent slogans. In a serious country that comedian would have not been elected as vice-chief of his condominium, in Italy his party is becoming the most voted one and they have already the majors of Rome and Turin (two women that, I admit, are persons surely better than their leader).
That italian party calls itself "moVimento", with V cap locked as the initial of "vaffanculo", "fuck off". But also "Georgian Dream" is not bad. I can't say which of the two titles is more populist…
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Re: Georgian Election/Politics

Postby Armchair Fan » Sat, 19 Nov 2016, 00:00

Datiko wrote:I have relatives who openly support candidates wanting to revive the monarchy out of some crazy hope that they will suddenly have ancient titles restored.

Well, then Spain and Georgia might end up linked somehow :lol:

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Re: Georgian Election/Politics

Postby fullbackace » Mon, 21 Nov 2016, 18:57

Datiko wrote:Saakashvili was trying to channel Lee Kwan Yew the way he was running Georgia. He did a lot for the country but underestimated the power of populism and was swept out when trying to pull a putin and become PM (after neutering the office of the president). Honestly, Georgian politics is kind of shit. I have relatives who openly support candidates wanting to revive the monarchy out of some crazy hope that they will suddenly have ancient titles restored. UNM had its issues but it was well governed. GD's main position is blame UNM while not really doing anything.

Saakashvili was also a populist, GD were anti-Saakashvili populists.

Even though I dislike GD, I still think it was good that they beat Saakashvili, UNM ruling past 9 years would have set a bad precedent, plus he was becoming increasingly authoritarian at the end. GD don't do much good but they don't do much bad either.
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Re: Georgian Election/Politics

Postby Datiko » Wed, 23 Nov 2016, 02:14

fullbackace wrote:
Datiko wrote:Saakashvili was trying to channel Lee Kwan Yew the way he was running Georgia. He did a lot for the country but underestimated the power of populism and was swept out when trying to pull a putin and become PM (after neutering the office of the president). Honestly, Georgian politics is kind of shit. I have relatives who openly support candidates wanting to revive the monarchy out of some crazy hope that they will suddenly have ancient titles restored. UNM had its issues but it was well governed. GD's main position is blame UNM while not really doing anything.

Saakashvili was also a populist, GD were anti-Saakashvili populists.

Even though I dislike GD, I still think it was good that they beat Saakashvili, UNM ruling past 9 years would have set a bad precedent, plus he was becoming increasingly authoritarian at the end. GD don't do much good but they don't do much bad either.


Saakashvili leveraged populism to do good. UNM turned Georgia from a failed state to a relatively stable developing nation. I agree they had to not last forever but instead of a plural democracy you got a constitutional majority by GD. GD is pulling out constitutional controls on power and has a suicidal fiscal policy compared to the old reserve bank. They play to the nepotism of the old intelligentsia and nomenclatura. I don't see them as growing Georgia but rather preserving the status quo to enrich Ivanishvili.

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Re: Georgian Election/Politics

Postby amz » Mon, 30 Oct 2017, 14:00

I had no idea Georgians are so homophobic. I can't see why he isn't allow to play for Georgia anymore..

https://www.rferl.org/a/georgia-footbal ... 06434.html

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Re: Georgian Election/Politics

Postby fullbackace » Thu, 09 Nov 2017, 01:18

amz wrote:I had no idea Georgians are so homophobic. I can't see why he isn't allow to play for Georgia anymore..

https://www.rferl.org/a/georgia-footbal ... 06434.html



What do you mean he's not allowed lol ?

He's a vice captain of the national team. No one's taking away his armband because some morons on fb.
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Re: Georgian Election/Politics

Postby amz » Thu, 09 Nov 2017, 17:03

Well yeah, not the best wording from my part but usually Radio Free Europe isn't concerned about few idiots on FB so it must be more than this.

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Re: Georgian Election/Politics

Postby fullbackace » Thu, 09 Nov 2017, 20:09

amz wrote:Well yeah, not the best wording from my part but usually Radio Free Europe isn't concerned about few idiots on FB so it must be more than this.

Few idiots on fb can go a long way in 2017.

Also all the Closeted Pro-Russian parties try to rile up the mobs and make a big deal of everything under the guise of Nationalism. But people's opinion is more reflected in Parliament where 90% is pro EU. The idiots are just loud.
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Re: Georgian Election/Politics

Postby amz » Fri, 10 Nov 2017, 20:11

I had a good laugh at this.

Russian Ambassador Valery Kuzmin said on Thursday at a seminar in Suceava that the Russian army did not intervene in eastern Ukraine and explained that when he intervened in Abkhazia he mistakenly reached Tbilisi, Rector of Suceava University, Valentin Popa, to say that a scientific collaboration is needed so that researchers from the two countries will work on the braking system of the tanks to stop faster

"Russia has never intervened in Donbas because when he intervened in Abkhazia in two days, then accidentally go to Tbilisi, but after they realized the mistake they gave the order and the troops withdrew," Kuzmin said.

Rector of "Stefan cel Mare" University prof. Dr. Valentin Popa told the ambassador that he was recently in Georgia and that, metaphorically speaking, he still saw the traces of the tanks stopped 25 kilometers from Tbilisi.

"This is one reason why we should work together in the economic and scientific domains. Maybe together, the two states, the researchers of the two states, could work on the tanks braking system so they stop faster and not a few dozen kilometers after, "said Valentin Popa.

http://www.hotnews.ro/stiri-esential-22 ... usesti.htm

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Re: Georgian Election/Politics

Postby fullbackace » Fri, 10 Nov 2017, 20:41

amz wrote:I had a good laugh at this.

Russian Ambassador Valery Kuzmin said on Thursday at a seminar in Suceava that the Russian army did not intervene in eastern Ukraine and explained that when he intervened in Abkhazia he mistakenly reached Tbilisi, Rector of Suceava University, Valentin Popa, to say that a scientific collaboration is needed so that researchers from the two countries will work on the braking system of the tanks to stop faster

"Russia has never intervened in Donbas because when he intervened in Abkhazia in two days, then accidentally go to Tbilisi, but after they realized the mistake they gave the order and the troops withdrew," Kuzmin said.

Rector of "Stefan cel Mare" University prof. Dr. Valentin Popa told the ambassador that he was recently in Georgia and that, metaphorically speaking, he still saw the traces of the tanks stopped 25 kilometers from Tbilisi.

"This is one reason why we should work together in the economic and scientific domains. Maybe together, the two states, the researchers of the two states, could work on the tanks braking system so they stop faster and not a few dozen kilometers after, "said Valentin Popa.

http://www.hotnews.ro/stiri-esential-22 ... usesti.htm


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Re: Georgian Election/Politics

Postby amz » Fri, 10 Nov 2017, 20:59

his reply is so Romanian, especially the part with "methaphorically speaking" :D

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Re: Georgian Election/Politics

Postby Bogdan_DC » Mon, 13 Nov 2017, 16:01

Good one :)

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