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Re: Winter Olympics

Postby Canalina » Tue, 27 Feb 2018, 14:12

I've watched (tried to watch) very few hockey matches in my life and I always quitted after few minutes because in most of the actions I was just unable to see the little disk.
In basketball or rugby or soccer you could understand how an action is developing even if you don't see the ball; but in hockey not all the players take part to the action, it's so frenetic that some players skate in the opposite direction waiting for the immediate relaunch, some others do a pirouette trying to be in the right direction for the next action, some others fight with the sticks, so it was even difficult to guess in which part of the field the disk was. It's impossible to fall in love with javelin throw if you don't see the javelin.. Maybe I just had a too little tv screen : )

My favorite winter sport is alpine ski, but I appreciate a lot also the "fatigue sports" like cross country ski and biathlon

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Re: Winter Olympics

Postby Bogdan_DC » Tue, 27 Feb 2018, 16:07

Hockey is the only sport i watch from Winter Olympics. I even attend a NHL derby Boston Bruins vs Montreal Canadians. And yes you don't see the puck on TV but attending the game live ...you don't see the puck at all :)).

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Re: Winter Olympics

Postby 4N » Tue, 27 Feb 2018, 16:19

Interestingly, the Romanian hockey team is nearly all ethnic Hungarians.

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Re: Winter Olympics

Postby Canadian_Rugger » Tue, 27 Feb 2018, 16:51

Canalina wrote:I've watched (tried to watch) very few hockey matches in my life and I always quitted after few minutes because in most of the actions I was just unable to see the little disk.
In basketball or rugby or soccer you could understand how an action is developing even if you don't see the ball; but in hockey not all the players take part to the action, it's so frenetic that some players skate in the opposite direction waiting for the immediate relaunch, some others do a pirouette trying to be in the right direction for the next action, some others fight with the sticks, so it was even difficult to guess in which part of the field the disk was. It's impossible to fall in love with javelin throw if you don't see the javelin.. Maybe I just had a too little tv screen : )

My favorite winter sport is alpine ski, but I appreciate a lot also the "fatigue sports" like cross country ski and biathlon


I totally understand this and I think part of the problem with ice hockey is you need to know the positions of all the players and what their role is. Goaltender is easy enough but you also have Defencemen, Wingers and Centres.

The reason players are always pirouetting is so they can get themselves in to a better position to attack/defend with speed as speed is everything in hockey. You always want to take the puck at speed as this is what allows you to get up the ice. It also has to do with the lines on the ice, primary the bluelines as these are the offside lines.

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Re: Winter Olympics

Postby Bogdan_DC » Tue, 27 Feb 2018, 16:57

4N wrote:Interestingly, the Romanian hockey team is nearly all ethnic Hungarians.

Yes, is their sport.

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Re: Winter Olympics

Postby Vova12 » Tue, 27 Feb 2018, 19:10

WADA deprives Russia of the right to host any international sports competitions

http://www.pravdareport.com/news/sports ... rt_wada-0/
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Re: Winter Olympics

Postby RugbyLiebe » Wed, 28 Feb 2018, 13:28

Vova12 wrote:WADA deprives Russia of the right to host any international sports competitions

http://www.pravdareport.com/news/sports ... rt_wada-0/


I doubt that this report is true. This would mean that there will be no soccer world cup this year.
But this is Pravda. The next report is this bullshit story http://www.pravdareport.com/world/europ ... germany-0/
All while in germany about 2/3 of military material, like 26 out of 93 Tornado fighter jets are not ready to be used at all.
http://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/inla ... 69572.html

Maybe it is just a hoax side you fell for.
How to grow rugby worldwide?
Look at the world ranking in July. Teams ranked 1-10 have to play one team from 11-20 (they don't play in a regular competition) away the next year. 11-20 play 21-30 away and so on. Yes, it really is that simple.

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Re: Winter Olympics

Postby vino_93 » Wed, 28 Feb 2018, 14:11

Canalina wrote:I've watched (tried to watch) very few hockey matches in my life and I always quitted after few minutes because in most of the actions I was just unable to see the little disk.
In basketball or rugby or soccer you could understand how an action is developing even if you don't see the ball; but in hockey not all the players take part to the action, it's so frenetic that some players skate in the opposite direction waiting for the immediate relaunch, some others do a pirouette trying to be in the right direction for the next action, some others fight with the sticks, so it was even difficult to guess in which part of the field the disk was. It's impossible to fall in love with javelin throw if you don't see the javelin.. Maybe I just had a too little tv screen : )

My favorite winter sport is alpine ski, but I appreciate a lot also the "fatigue sports" like cross country ski and biathlon


You need to watch it regularly to enter the game. The more you watch, the more you understand what is happening on the ice.

Canadian_Rugger : does the absence of NHL, and the "bad" result of national team make some noise in Canada ?

What you are saying about violence in ice hockey is similar to what we hear here about rugby. More player protection - which is fine -, but big loss about players fights, which make some people sad about modern rugby. They say the game has too change with professionalism.

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Re: Winter Olympics

Postby Canadian_Rugger » Thu, 01 Mar 2018, 15:35

vino_93 wrote:Canadian_Rugger : does the absence of NHL, and the "bad" result of national team make some noise in Canada ?

What you are saying about violence in ice hockey is similar to what we hear here about rugby. More player protection - which is fine -, but big loss about players fights, which make some people sad about modern rugby. They say the game has too change with professionalism.


It made noise for about a day but the general consensus is the Men's Olympic Hockey Tournament is kind of a joke without NHL players. It will definitely be an issue for the NHL starting next year though when they have to enter negotiations with the Players Union for a new Collective Bargaining Agreement and I can see the players threatening strike action over not being allowed to play.

The reality is the Canadian and United States national teams that played in this tournament wouldn't even be considered the the sixth or seventh string, they are more like 22nd string. With the exclusion of the NHL here are the players that were missing:

Canada: 424 players
United States: 248 players

This number also isn't including American Hockey League (AHL) players that are on two way contracts as they were also not allowed to play. All total, Canada probably had 600+ hockey players excluded from Olympic Selection. Imagine if France were trying to pick a team for the Rugby World Cup but weren't allowed to pick any players in the Top 14, ProD2 and could only pick a limited amount of players in Fédérale Elite, how would the tournament be received in France?

The lack of NHLers also hurt Sweden, Finland and the Czech Republic and Switzerland and Slovakia to a lesser extent. Russia benefited the most as they have the only league that pays remotely comparable wages to the NHL and thus are able to hold on to some of their homegrown talent.

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Re: Winter Olympics

Postby Vova12 » Thu, 01 Mar 2018, 17:32

RugbyLiebe wrote:
I doubt that this report is true. This would mean that there will be no soccer world cup this year.
But this is Pravda. The next report is this bullshit story http://www.pravdareport.com/world/europ ... germany-0/
All while in germany about 2/3 of military material, like 26 out of 93 Tornado fighter jets are not ready to be used at all.
http://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/inla ... 69572.html

Maybe it is just a hoax side you fell for.

competitions that have already been agreed will be held.

WADA does not recomend new competitions. Prohibit WADA can not.
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Re: Winter Olympics

Postby vino_93 » Fri, 02 Mar 2018, 07:18

Canadian_Rugger wrote:
vino_93 wrote:Canadian_Rugger : does the absence of NHL, and the "bad" result of national team make some noise in Canada ?

What you are saying about violence in ice hockey is similar to what we hear here about rugby. More player protection - which is fine -, but big loss about players fights, which make some people sad about modern rugby. They say the game has too change with professionalism.


It made noise for about a day but the general consensus is the Men's Olympic Hockey Tournament is kind of a joke without NHL players. It will definitely be an issue for the NHL starting next year though when they have to enter negotiations with the Players Union for a new Collective Bargaining Agreement and I can see the players threatening strike action over not being allowed to play.

The reality is the Canadian and United States national teams that played in this tournament wouldn't even be considered the the sixth or seventh string, they are more like 22nd string. With the exclusion of the NHL here are the players that were missing:

Canada: 424 players
United States: 248 players

This number also isn't including American Hockey League (AHL) players that are on two way contracts as they were also not allowed to play. All total, Canada probably had 600+ hockey players excluded from Olympic Selection. Imagine if France were trying to pick a team for the Rugby World Cup but weren't allowed to pick any players in the Top 14, ProD2 and could only pick a limited amount of players in Fédérale Elite, how would the tournament be received in France?

The lack of NHLers also hurt Sweden, Finland and the Czech Republic and Switzerland and Slovakia to a lesser extent. Russia benefited the most as they have the only league that pays remotely comparable wages to the NHL and thus are able to hold on to some of their homegrown talent.

I guess the situation isn't exactly the same than rugby, as there are many pro leagues outside NHL. Your guys play in the best european clubs. Of course, lower level... But in rugby, outside Top 14 and Pro D2, there are almost no pro french players.

If that happen, I guess if course people will have less interest for the tournament. But LNR would probably lost its business. Such a bullshit ... I guess it would turn off of rugby many fans.

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Re: Winter Olympics

Postby Canadian_Rugger » Fri, 02 Mar 2018, 14:34

vino_93 wrote:
Canadian_Rugger wrote:
vino_93 wrote:Canadian_Rugger : does the absence of NHL, and the "bad" result of national team make some noise in Canada ?

What you are saying about violence in ice hockey is similar to what we hear here about rugby. More player protection - which is fine -, but big loss about players fights, which make some people sad about modern rugby. They say the game has too change with professionalism.


It made noise for about a day but the general consensus is the Men's Olympic Hockey Tournament is kind of a joke without NHL players. It will definitely be an issue for the NHL starting next year though when they have to enter negotiations with the Players Union for a new Collective Bargaining Agreement and I can see the players threatening strike action over not being allowed to play.

The reality is the Canadian and United States national teams that played in this tournament wouldn't even be considered the the sixth or seventh string, they are more like 22nd string. With the exclusion of the NHL here are the players that were missing:

Canada: 424 players
United States: 248 players

This number also isn't including American Hockey League (AHL) players that are on two way contracts as they were also not allowed to play. All total, Canada probably had 600+ hockey players excluded from Olympic Selection. Imagine if France were trying to pick a team for the Rugby World Cup but weren't allowed to pick any players in the Top 14, ProD2 and could only pick a limited amount of players in Fédérale Elite, how would the tournament be received in France?

The lack of NHLers also hurt Sweden, Finland and the Czech Republic and Switzerland and Slovakia to a lesser extent. Russia benefited the most as they have the only league that pays remotely comparable wages to the NHL and thus are able to hold on to some of their homegrown talent.

I guess the situation isn't exactly the same than rugby, as there are many pro leagues outside NHL. Your guys play in the best european clubs. Of course, lower level... But in rugby, outside Top 14 and Pro D2, there are almost no pro french players.

If that happen, I guess if course people will have less interest for the tournament. But LNR would probably lost its business. Such a bullshit ... I guess it would turn off of rugby many fans.


Yes, I think a big difference is the NHL is like the Top 14 on steroids, everyone always complains about Top 14 clubs poaching other countries talent and caring more about club than international. The NHL is the exact same and even worse. The money on offer in the NHL and the financial wealth of the hockey clubs make it that the League can essentially do whatever they want and nobody can stop them. North American Hockey Fans, especially Canadians are completely Club first Country second.

You only need to look at team budgets of respective leagues:

The last list I looked at was from 2012 (in Euros) but it gives you a pretty good idea:

NHL:

Highest: €142,1 million
Lowest: €47,8 million
Average: €74,1 million

KHL:

Highest: €52,2 million
Lowest: €10,4 million
Average: €23,6 million

Swiss National League:

Highest: €28,9 million
Lowest: €7,4 million
Average: €12,3 million

Swedish Eliteserien:

Highest: €12,5 million
Lowest: €4,6 million
Average: €6,9 million

Finnish Liiga:

Highest: €7,7 million
Lowest: €3,5 million
Average: €5,7 million

German DEL:

Highest: €7,5 million
Lowest: €3,5 million
Average: €5,3 million

Czech Extraliga:

Highest: €6,4 million
Lowest: €2,2 million
Average: €4 million

Erste Hockeyliga (Austria, Hungary, Croatia, Italy, Slovenia)

Highest: €7 million
Lowest: €1 million
Average: €2,95 million

Slovak Extraliga:

Highest: €4 million
Lowest: €920 000
Average: €1,62 million

Source: http://forums.internationalhockey.net/showthread.php?11337-Team-budgets-around-the-world!

You can get paid a good salary in European Pro Hockey and the big teams over there are usually able to secure 1 or 2 marquee players who get paid NHL level money, but outside of a few teams in the KHL, the NHL is able to attract all the best talent from Canada and the USA.

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Re: Winter Olympics

Postby vino_93 » Fri, 02 Mar 2018, 20:27

Yes of course, I don't deny it. But for me, I would compare it to NBA. If NBA does the same, USA would still have one of the best team at olympics - and many other nations would suffer losses, but can rely on euro players.
Whereas outside Top 14 and Pro D2, France would be nowehere, as it exists 3 comparable leagues in the World.


And I would say NHL is able to attract all the best talent of the world, not only NA :)

Anyway, very surprise to see Swiss as high. I thought they were at the same than sweden or Germany...

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Re: Winter Olympics

Postby Vova12 » Sun, 01 Apr 2018, 08:43

Countries that won medals at Paralympic 2018.

http://www.korea2018.snowrock.ru/%D0%9C ... 0%B5%D1%82

The unsuccesful performance of Norway - 14th place.
All strongest Paralympic competed in the main Olympics ... :lol:
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Re: Winter Olympics

Postby Vova12 » Wed, 25 Apr 2018, 04:49

CAS announced Gregory Rodchenkov"s testimony as unfounded and unproven

http://www.tas-cas.org/fileadmin/user_u ... ternet.pdf
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