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Re: Russian Rugby

Postby Vova12 » Mon, 09 Dec 2019, 13:42

In any case there is no one to believe in West ...
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Re: Russian Rugby

Postby RugbyLiebe » Mon, 09 Dec 2019, 13:45

Vova12 wrote:Mainly for use of meldonium and bromantanum which western analogues are allowed by WADA.
Western athletes use doping legally. WADA permits them. Meet me in court, i wont discuss it here.


Thanks, so state doping it is. It is very simple, you use a substance on the list => you dope.
And I am well aware, that this is a race in the chemical department to find new substances not on the list. If you want to play that game (and Russia played it, as you state in this two sentences) don't cry when you get caught.
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Re: Russian Rugby

Postby Vova12 » Mon, 09 Dec 2019, 13:50

State doping is a lie. Russia never acknowledged this and it has never been proven in court.
WADA is a fucking organization that doesnt even recogniz sports arbitration in Lasanne. So i would hit rockets at a terrorist base ...
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Re: Russian Rugby

Postby RugbyLiebe » Mon, 09 Dec 2019, 14:16

Vova12 wrote:WADA is a fucking organization that doesnt even recogniz sports arbitration in Lasanne.


Russia has 21 days to appeal the decision through the Court of Arbitration for Sport.

https://news.sky.com/story/russia-banne ... p-11882206

;)
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Re: Russian Rugby

Postby Vova12 » Mon, 09 Dec 2019, 14:23

Its a lie. Just a statement of fucking freaks who have nothing to do with law or justice.

They already had this database it did not make any sense to delete data from Moscow laboratory intentionally.

This is a mistake in maintaining the data base.
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Re: Russian Rugby

Postby Vova12 » Mon, 09 Dec 2019, 14:27

However if someone explains to me what is point of changing data of Moscow laboratory, if WADA had "canonical version" of this database, then i admit everything.
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Re: Russian Rugby

Postby Vova12 » Mon, 09 Dec 2019, 14:32

RugbyLiebe wrote:
Vova12 wrote:WADA is a fucking organization that doesnt even recogniz sports arbitration in Lasanne.


Russia has 21 days to appeal the decision through the Court of Arbitration for Sport.

https://news.sky.com/story/russia-banne ... p-11882206

;)

Here is culprit! This is Putin!
What a coincidence! Deutsche Welle is lying about the same!

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https://www.dw.com/ru/%D0%BA%D1%82%D0%B ... a-51593760

Do they think that because of this disqualification, Russians will hate Putin?

No, Russians will hate the West.
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Re: Russian Rugby

Postby RugbyLiebe » Mon, 09 Dec 2019, 14:41

Vova12 wrote:Its a lie. Just a statement of fucking freaks who have nothing to do with law or justice.

They already had this database it did not make any sense to delete data from Moscow laboratory intentionally.

This is a mistake in maintaining the data base.


If RUSADA disputes WADA’s allegation, the matter will be referred to CAS (ISCCS Art. 10.4.1). Under the ISCCS, “If the Signatory wishes to dispute the asserted non-compliance and/or the proposed Signatory Consequences and/or the proposed Reinstatement conditions, then (in accordance with Article 23.5.6 of the Code) it must notify WADA in writing within twenty-one days of its receipt of the notice from WADA. WADA shall then file a formal notice of dispute with CAS, and the dispute will be resolved by the CAS Ordinary Arbitration Division.” Further to Article 23.5.9 of the Code, any CAS decision in relation to the non-compliance, the proposed consequences and/or the proposed reinstatement conditions will be binding and must be recognized and enforced by all Signatories.


https://www.wada-ama.org/en/media/news/ ... compliance


Apart from that, don't get lost in detail. WADA wanted the names, who were tested positive, Russia didn't provide that. => ban
Just read the part "CRC Recommendation" in above link.

I think it is a shame that Russia can't take part in the Olympics, but I think it is the right decision from my neutral stand point.

And the comic is off course with Putin because we all remember the picture where he holds the Olympic flame for the games in Sochi.
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Re: Russian Rugby

Postby amz » Mon, 09 Dec 2019, 14:53

RugbyLiebe wrote:About rugby: when they consider the soccer EURO not a major event, I doubt this will have any consequences for rugby.


Probably they will be allowed to participate in REC but RWC isn't a major event? If FIFA and CIO will maintain their status on banning Russia's participation I think WR will do the same, otherwise they are exposing themselves to all kind of questions.

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Re: Russian Rugby

Postby Vova12 » Mon, 09 Dec 2019, 15:03

Nations holding gay parades will never defeat a nation holding military parades.
See it?



This is all West deserves. West is not one who can judge us.
I finish communication until Russia is restored in rights.
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Re: Russian Rugby

Postby RugbyLiebe » Mon, 09 Dec 2019, 15:40

amz wrote:
RugbyLiebe wrote:About rugby: when they consider the soccer EURO not a major event, I doubt this will have any consequences for rugby.


Probably they will be allowed to participate in REC but RWC isn't a major event? If FIFA and CIO will maintain their status on banning Russia's participation I think WR will do the same, otherwise they are exposing themselves to all kind of questions.


I thought the ban was until 2022 as the soccer event in that year was named, but yeah, you could be right.

Vova12 wrote:Nations holding gay parades will never defeat a nation holding military parades.
See it?


Yeah, because countries with military parades don't have gay parades :D
Not that the country which outspends all other countries on military did invent gay parades :roll:
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Re: Russian Rugby

Postby suofficer » Mon, 09 Dec 2019, 15:50

In the scenario that Russia is removed from ENC, how does that then play out?

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Re: Russian Rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Mon, 09 Dec 2019, 15:56

They will not miss REC, WADA ruling doesn't cover continental events.

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Re: Russian Rugby

Postby rey200 » Mon, 09 Dec 2019, 16:35

Vova just keep your ill advised propaganda to your troll thread in the other forum.
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Re: Russian Rugby

Postby Tobar » Mon, 09 Dec 2019, 16:46

RugbyLiebe wrote:
Vova12 wrote:Nations holding gay parades will never defeat a nation holding military parades.
See it?


Yeah, because countries with military parades don't have gay parades :D
Not that the country which outspends all other countries on military did invent gay parades :roll:


That is a lie and conspiracy created by the East. We do not have military parades; only gay parades, gay rugby, gay everything. Straight people aren't allowed in our country.

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Re: Russian Rugby

Postby BigG » Mon, 09 Dec 2019, 17:24

rey200 wrote:Vova just keep your ill advised propaganda to your troll thread in the other forum.


Well said.

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Re: Winter Olympics

Postby Vova12 » Tue, 10 Dec 2019, 06:52

"I think that Russia will be punished and i hope that this will have consequences. Because of them, i lost a coupl of medals."

https://www.nrk.no/sport/ol-vinnar-vil- ... 1.14813984

Simon Fourcade (France) in an interview with Norwegian media.

Throughout his career this lying scum has been taking dope with permission of WADA. Salbutamol and Vetolin.

Norwegians are a separate song. Most of their skiers are asthmatic and take similar doping.
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Re: Winter Olympics

Postby Vova12 » Tue, 10 Dec 2019, 06:55

It is clear that if an ordinary athlete accepts this doping he will be disqualified.
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Re: Winter Olympics

Postby Bogdan_DC » Tue, 10 Dec 2019, 08:54

Your captain is not on the same page with you:
https://www.rte.ie/sport/rugby-world-cu ... world-cup/

Other than that, it is an undeserved blow for clean athletes like him.

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Re: Winter Olympics

Postby RugbyLiebe » Tue, 10 Dec 2019, 09:09

Okay, imagine you get a ticket for speeding. Then you start a rant, how other drivers, who undoubtely also went too fast but in another place in another time, didn't get one with you. Then you start telling it is all a big conspiracy against you by the police, that they take your driver's licence after they gave you 43 tickets for speeding.

That's your logic in this case.
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Re: Winter Olympics

Postby Vova12 » Tue, 10 Dec 2019, 09:34

Bogdan_DC wrote:Your captain is not on the same page with you:
https://www.rte.ie/sport/rugby-world-cu ... world-cup/

Other than that, it is an undeserved blow for clean athletes like him.

He plays rugby better than me but he knows less about doping and WADA.
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Re: Winter Olympics

Postby Vova12 » Tue, 10 Dec 2019, 09:36

My logic is that i fined for 65 km / h when others drive 150.
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Re: Winter Olympics

Postby Vova12 » Tue, 10 Dec 2019, 10:50

Okay !Good. State support for doping in Russia.

Сreators of base Timofei Sobolevsky and Oleg Migachev who moved across ocean until June 2016retained the ability to remotely make changes to database. Thas in period from November 2015 to June 2016 base was administered from Los Angeles !!!!! :D
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Re: Winter Olympics

Postby Vova12 » Tue, 10 Dec 2019, 10:53

German correctly said. Dumb! Stupid!
How such a pronounced idiocy is combined with state support for doping in Russia ?
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Re: Winter Olympics

Postby Vova12 » Tue, 10 Dec 2019, 10:57

Thats fucked up! Security is better organized in any fucking store than in this fucking lab!

How can mas data fraud be caried out with main specialists in US?
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