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Re: Immigration

Postby Bolaroid » Wed, 14 Mar 2018, 23:48

RugbyLiebe wrote:You got numbers with a source? With about 5 million Muslims in Germany and don't see a majority (so about 2,5 Mio) doing that for fun on the average weekend.

I believe there were 6,000 Muslim fighters from Europe who went to fight for ISIS in Syria. The trouble is Liebe is that is doesn't take a majority to cause grave danger. Let us not forget a group of just 20 or so based out of Germany managed to bring down our Twin Towers.

We have to be realistic, not idealistic. This will not end well.

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Re: Immigration

Postby RugbyLiebe » Thu, 15 Mar 2018, 09:54

Bolaroid wrote:
RugbyLiebe wrote:You got numbers with a source? With about 5 million Muslims in Germany and don't see a majority (so about 2,5 Mio) doing that for fun on the average weekend.

I believe there were 6,000 Muslim fighters from Europe who went to fight for ISIS in Syria. The trouble is Liebe is that is doesn't take a majority to cause grave danger. Let us not forget a group of just 20 or so based out of Germany managed to bring down our Twin Towers.

We have to be realistic, not idealistic. This will not end well.


Believing is not enough. Bring sources. If your numbers are correct 0,02% of all Muslims in Europe went to fight for Isis. (number is 25,77 Million Muslims in Europe http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/20 ... in-europe/ )
That's 2 out of 10.000. So you want to blame 9998 people for 2 bloody idiots. I grew up in a town of 15.000 people. I know more than just the 3 guys stupid enough to do anything in that category. Everybody knows his village idiots, but should all be burned for those?

Muslim extremists is simply not the biggest threat our societies in Europe face. The biggest threat is the growing wealth inequality. And the ideas which will lead to an even bigger gap is exactly what the very same parties who grow fear of Muslims have in their party programs. So the growing fear of Muslims (as ridiculous I think this religion is) is only bringing people to vote against their own interests. Not saying that other parties do better, but one thing we have seen again and again and again throughout history: if a nations starts to fear new influence and fresh blood, it is just one step from the edge.
How to grow rugby worldwide?
Look at the world ranking in July. Teams ranked 1-10 have to play one team from 11-20 (they don't play in a regular competition) away the next year. 11-20 play 21-30 away and so on. Yes, it really is that simple.

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Re: Immigration

Postby Vova12 » Sat, 17 Mar 2018, 19:51

RugbyLiebe wrote:
Believing is not enough.
My friend from Dusseldorf has sent ...

https://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland ... -Land.html
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Re: Immigration

Postby RugbyLiebe » Tue, 20 Mar 2018, 20:08

Vova12 wrote:
RugbyLiebe wrote:
Believing is not enough.
My friend from Dusseldorf has sent ...

https://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland ... -Land.html


A german passport is one of the best passports you can have in the world. You can go wherever you like. The article itself is kind of inconsistent though with plain out denying the headline in the article and stating that under the old counting system less people would have left and more Germans came back in.

But maybe more left. So what do German citizens working everywhere in the world and a new way to report the moving of the people has to do with muslims?
How to grow rugby worldwide?
Look at the world ranking in July. Teams ranked 1-10 have to play one team from 11-20 (they don't play in a regular competition) away the next year. 11-20 play 21-30 away and so on. Yes, it really is that simple.

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Re: Immigration

Postby STMKY » Sun, 06 May 2018, 19:48


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Re: Immigration

Postby STMKY » Thu, 07 Jun 2018, 08:45

Yesterday I watched the air with Klosov. This is the top scientist in DNA genology. He is Russian, but he has been living in the USA for 30 years. Very many things have become more understandable.
The old war of the West (Anglo-Saxons) and Russia is based on genetics. The West is predominantly R1b, and Slavs are mainly R1a. Although they are related groups, but they were divided many thousands of years ago.
The ancestors of the Anglo-Saxons R1b passed from South Siberia through the Middle East to Egypt. Egyptian pharaohs have R1b. They created there a Jew people from the Semitic tribe. Who says that the Jews rule America and the whole world. That's bullshit. Jews are managers who were created by the ancestors of the Anglo-Saxons. Then R1b through northern Africa fell on the Pyrenean peninsula. The genocide of the old population of Europe began. Basques are the remnants of that old population that they could not destroy. But in the east R1b was met by resistance from the Slavs (R1a). This is the territory of northern and eastern Germany. They co-opted part of the Slavs to Germanize.
But why do Russians at present have good relations with the Germans, especially with the East? Because we are genetic, R1a. The Poles and Russians at the household level have excellent relations. We are R1a. But their elite completely fell under the Vatican.
By the Celts. I had conjectures that they were also our kindred people. Very similar to the Slavs. Why did the Anglo-Saxons destroy them with genocide? Because the ancient Celts were R1a. I looked at the studies of Irish scientists. They also found the ancestral home of the Celts in the northern Black Sea coast.
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Re: Immigration

Postby STMKY » Thu, 07 Jun 2018, 08:57

Our Romanian friends probably know that the Gypsy came to the Balkans from India. Klosov confirmed this theory and suggested that they left India because they were the lowest caste in Indian society. They are tired of it. Interestingly, the highest caste of brahmanas retained R1a by 70%. This also explains the similarity of toponyms in the North of Russia and in India, as well as the similarity of the Russian language and Sanskrit. In the modern world, India always acts as an ally of Russia.

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Re: Immigration

Postby Vova12 » Sat, 30 Jun 2018, 07:58

African refugees came to the Stavropol region to study the possibiliti of resetlement to Russia.

https://www.kp.ru/daily/26848/3890010/

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Re: Immigration

Postby STMKY » Wed, 04 Jul 2018, 18:13

It is about 15,000 boers, who want to move to the southern regions of Russia (Stavropol, Krasnodar, Rostov, Crimea and others). Will we wait for Russian Boers in the Russian national rugby team? :lol:

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Re: Immigration

Postby 4N » Wed, 04 Jul 2018, 18:18

Last I heard (years ago) they were looking at Georgia. Don't get too excited. :roll:


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Re: Immigration

Postby STMKY » Wed, 04 Jul 2018, 18:21

In Russia, the market is big. This is important for farmers. There is an experience of resettlement of Russian Old Believers from Latin America. They are very similar to Boers. Closed societies of farmers.

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Re: Immigration

Postby dropkick » Thu, 05 Jul 2018, 22:20

The tide is turning.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zp5XbEwR_U0


Merkel might have done Europe a favour. The people are starting to wake up now and more right wing political parties are gaining power. Trump, Brexit, Europe waking up, all within a few years of each other. :thumbup:

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Re: Immigration

Postby Vova12 » Fri, 06 Jul 2018, 17:30

STMKY wrote:It is about 15,000 boers, who want to move to the southern regions of Russia (Stavropol, Krasnodar, Rostov, Crimea and others). Will we wait for Russian Boers in the Russian national rugby team? :lol:

At the moment about 30 families want to move to Russia.
This should be enough))
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Re: Immigration

Postby Vova12 » Fri, 06 Jul 2018, 17:32

dropkick wrote:The tide is turning.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zp5XbEwR_U0


Merkel might have done Europe a favour. The people are starting to wake up now and more right wing political parties are gaining power. Trump, Brexit, Europe waking up, all within a few years of each other. :thumbup:

Are you sure that Europe has time to be saved?
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Re: Immigration

Postby STMKY » Tue, 10 Jul 2018, 12:08


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Re: Immigration

Postby RugbyLiebe » Tue, 10 Jul 2018, 14:09

STMKY wrote:Russian TV about Boers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqdyyHJb_SE


Russian tv is strange. They are talking about 15.000 people. Then about 30 families visiting. Then they show one single family who probably visited their former Russian-German neighbours. They want to teach English and apparently can only speak Afrikaans. And the Russians are now waiting for a letter, if they move there :lol:

Not saying that this might not be an option some boers might think about, but oh boy that's low level propaganda tv.
How to grow rugby worldwide?
Look at the world ranking in July. Teams ranked 1-10 have to play one team from 11-20 (they don't play in a regular competition) away the next year. 11-20 play 21-30 away and so on. Yes, it really is that simple.

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Re: Immigration

Postby STMKY » Tue, 10 Jul 2018, 14:24

Do not you think that these figures were told to them by the Boers themselves? And this family came to assess the situation in the region. When the Russian Old Believers started to return to Russia from Latin America, they also came to several people. This process takes several years.
Better say thank you for saving Germany, when the Anglo-Saxons wanted to wipe you from the face of the Earth. And for the reunification of Germany. When the Anglo-Saxons not left their troops and are still occupying you. You have forgotten how the Russian people helped you, despite the 27 million killed Russians. You are talking about some kind of propaganda. You are very wrong. The side of good is Russia, not your Anglo-Saxon invaders.

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Re: Immigration

Postby RugbyLiebe » Tue, 10 Jul 2018, 14:34

dropkick wrote:The tide is turning.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zp5XbEwR_U0

Merkel might have done Europe a favour. The people are starting to wake up now and more right wing political parties are gaining power. Trump, Brexit, Europe waking up, all within a few years of each other. :thumbup:


Ahahahahaha. Nigel Farage on Fox News. Why not Lenin on Russia1. Or Kim on Korea Today.
Merkel's interior minister Seehofer is a populist and there are elections in Bavaria in september. As that's the only state Seehofer's party can be elected (you can't vote for Merkel's party CDU in Bavaria) he is quite serious about making a point. That's it.
Result was that Seehofer chickened out and we finally will get an actual immigration law (the conservatives were stupid enough to block this for decades). If anything crushes the markets, that's the idiot in the USA.

You are Irish. You were basically Europe's Bangladesh before you joined first the EEC and then the EU. That's were you got the money from to build something essential like motorways - something you didn't even have in the 90ies (I fondly remember the signs "this motorway is built by money from the EU") and attracted investments. Since than you robbed everyone who just helped you out, by creating taxholes for multi-national-companies.
Still you are the country who benefitted the most from immigration and foreign money.
I will never understand where the Irish arrogance comes from. Without the EU you will most likely be Europe's Bangladesh again.

If there is one single country who made the most out of the EU and the open boarders that's Ireland. Start to realize that.
How to grow rugby worldwide?
Look at the world ranking in July. Teams ranked 1-10 have to play one team from 11-20 (they don't play in a regular competition) away the next year. 11-20 play 21-30 away and so on. Yes, it really is that simple.

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Re: Immigration

Postby RugbyLiebe » Tue, 10 Jul 2018, 14:43

STMKY wrote:Do not you think that these figures were told to them by the Boers themselves? And this family came to assess the situation in the region.

Maybe, but it is a tv stations job to talk about probabilites - that's what a German tv station would do. But you know, yeah its still better than the FoxNews post by our Irish friend.

STMKY wrote:When the Russian Old Believers started to return to Russia from Latin America, they also came to several people. This process takes several years.

So how many moved back?

STMKY wrote:Better say thank you for saving Germany, when the Anglo-Saxons wanted to wipe you from the face of the Earth.

How did they want to do that exactly? Like the American soldiers by throwing chocolate bars at our kids?

STMKY wrote:You have forgotten how the Russian people helped you, despite the 27 million killed Russians. You are talking about some kind of propaganda. You are very wrong. The side of good is Russia, not your Anglo-Saxon invaders.

Learn to differ. I am not saying that Russia is evil nor that the USA are good (they are not). Still this kind of occupation was and still is a good deal for us.
Maybe they were just smarter, because the "help" from Russia felt way more than a violent occupation than what the US did after WW2.


Basically all I'm asking is, why bring even up stories like this? In the EU, the USA or Australia that's a bloody non-story. And that's what makes it so strange. How many foreigners do you know personally? It can't be much for the average Russian, if this makes the news. I still do enjoy exactly this discussion a lot, as you never learn by talking to people who think about things the same way.
How to grow rugby worldwide?
Look at the world ranking in July. Teams ranked 1-10 have to play one team from 11-20 (they don't play in a regular competition) away the next year. 11-20 play 21-30 away and so on. Yes, it really is that simple.

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Re: Immigration

Postby Vova12 » Tue, 10 Jul 2018, 14:57

We do not have so much free land in warm placs.
It"s on the map of Russia is huge, but in reality 2/3 of territory is almost not suitable for a normal Western life!

But Russia will be able to host several thousand farmers.
By the wayi know a guy from South Africa lives in Yaroslavl, coaches a local rugby team.

Russia atractts people with its values, not monetary benefits.
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Re: Immigration

Postby rey200 » Tue, 10 Jul 2018, 20:24

Nigel "I don't want to be part of the EU, but still take my taxpayers money for being part of an EU institution" Farage.
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Re: Immigration

Postby RugbyLiebe » Wed, 11 Jul 2018, 07:02

Vova12 wrote:
Russia atractts people with its values, not monetary benefits.


Okay aside from the reliable "a deal is a deal and we do honour it"-Russian attitude (which is worth a lot compared to the idiot in the White House), what are the other values?
How to grow rugby worldwide?
Look at the world ranking in July. Teams ranked 1-10 have to play one team from 11-20 (they don't play in a regular competition) away the next year. 11-20 play 21-30 away and so on. Yes, it really is that simple.

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Re: Immigration

Postby Bogdan_DC » Wed, 11 Jul 2018, 10:53

There are still people in the world who are listening to that weasel, Nigel Farage?

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Re: Immigration

Postby dropkick » Wed, 11 Jul 2018, 14:33

RugbyLiebe wrote:
dropkick wrote:The tide is turning.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zp5XbEwR_U0

Merkel might have done Europe a favour. The people are starting to wake up now and more right wing political parties are gaining power. Trump, Brexit, Europe waking up, all within a few years of each other. :thumbup:


Ahahahahaha. Nigel Farage on Fox News. Why not Lenin on Russia1. Or Kim on Korea Today.
Merkel's interior minister Seehofer is a populist and there are elections in Bavaria in september. As that's the only state Seehofer's party can be elected (you can't vote for Merkel's party CDU in Bavaria) he is quite serious about making a point. That's it.
Result was that Seehofer chickened out and we finally will get an actual immigration law (the conservatives were stupid enough to block this for decades). If anything crushes the markets, that's the idiot in the USA.

You are Irish. You were basically Europe's Bangladesh before you joined first the EEC and then the EU. That's were you got the money from to build something essential like motorways - something you didn't even have in the 90ies (I fondly remember the signs "this motorway is built by money from the EU") and attracted investments. Since than you robbed everyone who just helped you out, by creating taxholes for multi-national-companies.
Still you are the country who benefitted the most from immigration and foreign money.
I will never understand where the Irish arrogance comes from. Without the EU you will most likely be Europe's Bangladesh again.

If there is one single country who made the most out of the EU and the open boarders that's Ireland. Start to realize that.



This is all nonsense but I don't blame you. I've been to Germany many times and the level of propaganda there is off the charts. Germans are actually ashamed of being German because thats how they've been taught in schools. Its shocking.


Of course you were told a few years ago that how great you German people were for bailing out the Irish people. Thats bullshit. The private Irish banks (of which a large percentage were German owned) failed because they gambled and lost. They've been bailed out by the Irish people. Same thing happened in Iceland but they rightfully told the banks and everyone else that they wouldn't pay for a private business failing.


I've told you before about Ireland giving up the fishing waters to the EU. The amount of money lost there dwarfs anything that the EU has given. Its basically Ireland subsidising southern European countries. Ireland had to give that up when joining the EU. Of course it was supposed to be about free trade so its interesting that Ireland was blocked from trading freely until the EU got something valuable.


Yes Ireland was dirt before due to being colonised. All the wealth in the country was taken out and went to London. But after that the country introduced many socialist policies and naturally enough remained poor. It was only after copying the capitalist American model did the country become wealthy.


As for the tax, are you seriously saying Ireland is bad for having low tax? You do know that low taxes creates wealth? Even the moronic Irish politicians (kind of) understand that low taxes are good.


As for countries making the most out of the EU, theres one country heading that list. Good old Deutschland. They've the most power and do everything to help themselves. I just saw the other week how the EU is negotiating with some South American country about buying more beef off them in exchange for them importing more cars. Irish farmers were not happy but German car makers were. Germany wins again.

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Re: Immigration

Postby Vova12 » Wed, 11 Jul 2018, 17:04

Our values .

We are not a USA occupied country.
In Russia freedom of press.
In Russia democracy and we ourselves choos leaders.
There are no lesons in our schools that propagande homosexualisty.
We do not accept in their country loafers and parasits from around World.
We in Russia can talk about any topic. You can even deny Holocaust no one will do anything to you.
We do not have political correctnes, we say what"s on our mind.

I hope this will not change. I hope your friend from Siberia will supleyment me. 8-)
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