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Re: Immigration

Postby RugbyLiebe » Thu, 31 Jan 2019, 16:02

4N wrote:Arabic is a language. Arabs are the people.


What I meant with "what is Arabs", that this is such a large definitely not homogenic group from even totally different ethnic backgrounds that it makes only little sense to say "the Arab"
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Look at the world ranking in July. Teams ranked 1-10 have to play one team from 11-20 (they don't play in a regular competition) away the next year. 11-20 play 21-30 away and so on. Yes, it really is that simple.

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Re: Immigration

Postby 4N » Thu, 31 Jan 2019, 16:07

RugbyLiebe wrote:
4N wrote:Arabic is a language. Arabs are the people.


What I meant with "what is Arabs", that this is such a large definitely not homogenic group from even totally different ethnic backgrounds that it makes only little sense to say "the Arab"


People self-identify that way regardless of the different origins. Bound together by a common language. And really if you think about it, Arabs have considered themselves one people longer than the French or Germans for example, who 150 years ago were still mainly defined by regional identities.

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Re: Immigration

Postby Sables4EVA » Fri, 01 Feb 2019, 06:06

"Arab people" are better described as Semitic. Yes, I know that is used to describe Jews too but Semitic covers all peoples that have risen from that area of the world. Semitic people have many religions, Judaism, Shite, Suni and Coptic are the main ones and their are many other minor ones.

The majority of Muslims are a peaceful people who just want to get one with their lives and grow old and die in comfort.

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Re: Immigration

Postby RugbyLiebe » Fri, 01 Feb 2019, 09:17

4N wrote:
RugbyLiebe wrote:
4N wrote:Arabic is a language. Arabs are the people.


What I meant with "what is Arabs", that this is such a large definitely not homogenic group from even totally different ethnic backgrounds that it makes only little sense to say "the Arab"


People self-identify that way regardless of the different origins. Bound together by a common language. And really if you think about it, Arabs have considered themselves one people longer than the French or Germans for example, who 150 years ago were still mainly defined by regional identities.


I think that is the wrong comparision. It is more comparable to that people might feel as European. But a guy from Egypt would never say that a Palestinian or a Lybian is a brother, but he is probably okay to call him a cousin. Arab is definitely not a national identity.
How to grow rugby worldwide?
Look at the world ranking in July. Teams ranked 1-10 have to play one team from 11-20 (they don't play in a regular competition) away the next year. 11-20 play 21-30 away and so on. Yes, it really is that simple.

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Re: Immigration

Postby 4N » Fri, 01 Feb 2019, 12:19

RugbyLiebe wrote:
4N wrote:
RugbyLiebe wrote:
4N wrote:Arabic is a language. Arabs are the people.


What I meant with "what is Arabs", that this is such a large definitely not homogenic group from even totally different ethnic backgrounds that it makes only little sense to say "the Arab"


People self-identify that way regardless of the different origins. Bound together by a common language. And really if you think about it, Arabs have considered themselves one people longer than the French or Germans for example, who 150 years ago were still mainly defined by regional identities.


I think that is the wrong comparision. It is more comparable to that people might feel as European. But a guy from Egypt would never say that a Palestinian or a Lybian is a brother, but he is probably okay to call him a cousin. Arab is definitely not a national identity.


Arab and “European” identity aren’t remotely comparable. That’s a laughable suggestion.

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Re: Immigration

Postby Vova12 » Fri, 01 Feb 2019, 17:48

I want to say that a person must identify himself. If it is not a religion then what?
Within one country unifing factor may be a common language or nationality.

But if this is EU for example. What unites all these countries except the American occupation and subsidis from Brussels for Eastern Europe?

Yes, most Muslims are not interested in jihad, but even a smaller part can create big problems in Europe.

Especially if Muslims believe in Allah and Europeans believe in food processor ...

By the way and if choice between an Arab and a Jew?
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Re: Immigration

Postby 4N » Fri, 01 Feb 2019, 18:12

To be clear, a sizeable minority (20 million plus) of the Arab population worldwide are Christian. Many have left the Middle East in recent decades due to constant wars. Christians have gone from the majority of the Lebanese population to around one third. More recently they have been fleeing Syria. I have known quite a few, extremely kind and hardworking people. One old guy from Aleppo used to bring Arabic coffee to work every morning and share a cup with me. We talked politics quite a bit. He wasn’t a fan of US intervention in his country and said his people lived there in peace until the Civil War.

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Re: Immigration

Postby Vova12 » Fri, 01 Feb 2019, 18:20

The western (American) illusion is that every thing can be bought. And everyone can be bought.
And if a person does not take your money? What besides money West can offer?
Western values? Which ones?
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Re: Immigration

Postby 4N » Fri, 01 Feb 2019, 19:32

Vova12 wrote:The western (American) illusion is that every thing can be bought. And everyone can be bought.
And if a person does not take your money? What besides money West can offer?
Western values? Which ones?


We all have our issues with concentration of wealth and billionaires accumulating more and more power. Your country is certainly no exception.

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Re: Immigration

Postby Vova12 » Fri, 01 Feb 2019, 19:42

4N wrote:
Vova12 wrote:The western (American) illusion is that every thing can be bought. And everyone can be bought.
And if a person does not take your money? What besides money West can offer?
Western values? Which ones?


We all have our issues with concentration of wealth and billionaires accumulating more and more power. Your country is certainly no exception.

Yes unfortunately. But Russians are trying to change that. For example communist revolution 1917.
You know we are dangerous people. We are direct people and say what we think.
And we act upredictably.
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Re: Immigration

Postby Vova12 » Sat, 02 Feb 2019, 05:56

In Russia there really is such a culture of communication. This is not trolling.

We are very politically incorrect people, political correctnes is a form of Western hypocrisy.
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Re: Immigration

Postby Vova12 » Sat, 02 Feb 2019, 06:00

Your must be tolerant! :D
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Re: Immigration

Postby Vova12 » Sat, 02 Feb 2019, 06:07

If Russian behaves differently, then this is a whore who is asking for a residence permit in your country.
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Re: Immigration

Postby Vova12 » Sat, 02 Feb 2019, 06:19



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Re: Immigration

Postby Vova12 » Sat, 02 Feb 2019, 08:04

And can not compare values of Russia and West (US).
Russian values apply to Russia primarly, rest of the world does not interest us at all.
Russia wants to takeover world only in Western propaganda slogans.

The values of West (USA) are universal in nature with the aim of evoking sympaties of the rest of world. And my sympaties too.
Therefore i want to know about these values. There is nothing surprising in my desire ...
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Re: Immigration

Postby Vova12 » Sat, 02 Feb 2019, 08:56

I see two main universal Western values.
Printing counterfeit money and military power.
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Re: Immigration

Postby RugbyLiebe » Sat, 02 Feb 2019, 20:45

4N wrote:
Arab and “European” identity aren’t remotely comparable. That’s a laughable suggestion.


But so are Arab and national identity. It is not the same. While European identity and Arab aren't the same as well, the comparision is not laughable. Euopean countries share a long and influential history together.
How to grow rugby worldwide?
Look at the world ranking in July. Teams ranked 1-10 have to play one team from 11-20 (they don't play in a regular competition) away the next year. 11-20 play 21-30 away and so on. Yes, it really is that simple.

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Re: Immigration

Postby Vova12 » Sun, 03 Feb 2019, 15:02

RugbyLiebe wrote:
But so are Arab and national identity. It is not the same. While European identity and Arab aren't the same as well, the comparision is not laughable. Euopean countries share a long and influential history together.

For nearly 1000 years Arabs lived in one state and then a significan part of them lived 300 years in another state.
Attempt to build a world caliphate are built on a historical foundation.
Do you know who they blame for current state of affairs?
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Re: Immigration

Postby RugbyLiebe » Mon, 04 Feb 2019, 08:36

Vova12 wrote:
RugbyLiebe wrote:
But so are Arab and national identity. It is not the same. While European identity and Arab aren't the same as well, the comparision is not laughable. Euopean countries share a long and influential history together.

For nearly 1000 years Arabs lived in one state and then a significan part of them lived 300 years in another state.
Attempt to build a world caliphate are built on a historical foundation.
Do you know who they blame for current state of affairs?


Well, "It is Israel's fault" is a quite popular Arab standpoint.
How to grow rugby worldwide?
Look at the world ranking in July. Teams ranked 1-10 have to play one team from 11-20 (they don't play in a regular competition) away the next year. 11-20 play 21-30 away and so on. Yes, it really is that simple.

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Re: Immigration

Postby Vova12 » Mon, 04 Feb 2019, 17:51

RugbyLiebe wrote:
Well, "It is Israel's fault" is a quite popular Arab standpoint.

They blame whole of Western civilization.
Thanks to migration policy in Europe they can personally report this fact.
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Re: Immigration

Postby Vova12 » Tue, 05 Feb 2019, 18:49

We are a little behind Congo ...

https://freedomhouse.org/sites/default/ ... ressed.pdf

St. Petersburg 2018. Neva Embankment.
Suffering Russians welcome guests to World Championship.

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Re: Immigration

Postby Vova12 » Wed, 06 Feb 2019, 19:02

Due to a significant decrease in workload, USCIS will permanently close its field office in Moscow, Russia, on March 29, 2019.

https://www.uscis.gov/news/alerts/uscis ... eld-office
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Re: Immigration

Postby Vova12 » Sun, 10 Feb 2019, 17:49

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Re: Immigration

Postby RugbyLiebe » Mon, 11 Feb 2019, 09:50

Vova12 wrote:They blame whole of Western civilization.
Thanks to migration policy in Europe they can personally report this fact.


Yeah, because "they" are always exactly think the same as "they" are robots.
I mean seriously, are you sure that you can agree with all of your neighbours on more than 3 political topics?
Why do you always assume that Muslims magicially agree with each other on every topic?
How to grow rugby worldwide?
Look at the world ranking in July. Teams ranked 1-10 have to play one team from 11-20 (they don't play in a regular competition) away the next year. 11-20 play 21-30 away and so on. Yes, it really is that simple.

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Re: Immigration

Postby Vova12 » Mon, 11 Feb 2019, 17:54

I am delighted! And these text are in public domain!

https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RR1793.html

It will be worthy of commenting!
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