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Re: 2021 Womens Rugby World Cup

Postby NedRugby » Mon, 17 Dec 2018, 14:54

Qualifying for the women's world cup? Don't make me laugh. They might make Japan play Fiji, and Spain take on the bottom 6N team and call that a qualification process.

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Re: 2021 Womens Rugby World Cup

Postby victorsra » Tue, 18 Dec 2018, 14:39

There might be something involving South Africa and Kenya as well. And remember for 2017 Scotland missed the WRWC losing to Spain. There is room for something that looks like a Qualy.

They could give Rugby Europe one direct spot and do a Repechage with:

- Bottom team of the 6N
- Asia runners up
- Africa best (or RE runners up)
- Oceania best
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Re: 2021 Womens Rugby World Cup

Postby Armchair Fan » Tue, 18 Dec 2018, 15:02

There will be a European qualifier involving more than one W6N side, or at least this is what was promised to Spain with our staff saying test matches from this season and ranking will be key for seeding.

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Re: 2021 Womens Rugby World Cup

Postby victorsra » Tue, 18 Dec 2018, 16:18

Well, it would be cool to have Spain playing all Wales, Italy and Scotland in a WRWC Qualy.
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Re: 2021 Womens Rugby World Cup

Postby Armchair Fan » Tue, 18 Dec 2018, 16:44

I imagine it would be more like bottom two W6N sides and top two REWC sides with highest seed hosting. But let's wait until official confirmation, our officials were convinced WRWC was going to be in Australia and we all saw what happened.

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Re: 2021 Womens Rugby World Cup

Postby victorsra » Wed, 19 Dec 2018, 00:49

Well, England, France and Ireland are already qualified for the 2021 WRWC. It leaves Wales, Italy and Scotland from the 6N.
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Re: 2021 Womens Rugby World Cup

Postby johnbirch » Thu, 20 Dec 2018, 23:06

victorsra wrote:Well, England, France and Ireland are already qualified for the 2021 WRWC. It leaves Wales, Italy and Scotland from the 6N.

Top 7 from 2017 qualified:

Europe: England, France, Wales
N America: Canada, USA
Oceania: Australia, New Zealand

In Europe that leaves Ireland, Italy and Scotland from the 6N, and Spain - plus potentially Netherlands, Germany, Switzerland, Sweden, Belgium, Czechia, Finland and Russia - competing for three places.

It is maybe interesting that the 2017 qualification was partly based on the 2015 and 2016 W6N - so if the same process was to be used WR really should (surely?) have announced that next year's W6N (and 2020) would be part of the process, but they have not (yet) publically said anything. So maybe something slightly different is planned for Europe?

It has been said that next year's Oceania championship will be part of the process, so at a guess the winner, plus at least one team from Asian championship (maybe two) and an African team, will be playing off for maybe two places. Only Africa currently lacks a women's 15s championship but Rugby Afrique have said it is the intention to organise one at some date in the future - maybe in 2020?

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Re: 2021 Womens Rugby World Cup

Postby victorsra » Fri, 21 Dec 2018, 16:13

Sorry, Wales defeated Ireland for the 7th place.
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Re: 2021 Womens Rugby World Cup

Postby Armchair Fan » Wed, 02 Jan 2019, 15:12

Yunque at FER website: "This year's European Championship won't qualify for anything, unlike next season where champions will earn a spot for RWC qualfiers. We still don't know if repechage will be strictly European, with European champions and three teams from W6N still not qualified for WRWC (Ireland, Scotland and Italy) or whether it will be a global repechage with 8 teams, but we will fight so for seeding purposes World Rankings are taken into account and we want to reach that stage at the highest rank possible, so a victory against Scotland is key for our goals".

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Re: 2021 Womens Rugby World Cup

Postby Armchair Fan » Fri, 05 Apr 2019, 09:53

So a European WRWC spot gone, two good consolidated sides will miss the tournament for the sake of global development https://www.world.rugby/news/410898

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Re: 2021 Womens Rugby World Cup

Postby Thomas » Fri, 05 Apr 2019, 09:58

Just seen the paragraph

Rugby Europe: For the first time in Europe, a standalone qualification tournament will be held in September 2020. Ireland, Italy and Scotland will be joined by the winner of the 2020 Rugby Europe women’s championship with the winner qualifying directly to WRWC 2021..

That is rough.. that means Spain could still miss out

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Re: 2021 Womens Rugby World Cup

Postby RugbyLiebe » Fri, 05 Apr 2019, 11:32

Thomas wrote:Just seen the paragraph

Rugby Europe: For the first time in Europe, a standalone qualification tournament will be held in September 2020. Ireland, Italy and Scotland will be joined by the winner of the 2020 Rugby Europe women’s championship with the winner qualifying directly to WRWC 2021..

That is rough.. that means Spain could still miss out


That is not rough, that's corruption. World Rugby is de facto bought by a Ltd. and advances the teams organized in this Ltd. Shame on World Rugby.
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Re: 2021 Womens Rugby World Cup

Postby RugbyLiebe » Fri, 05 Apr 2019, 11:36

Armchair Fan wrote:So a European WRWC spot gone, two good consolidated sides will miss the tournament for the sake of global development https://www.world.rugby/news/410898


Even if there are no (?) teams apart from the already qualified USA and Canada, there seems to be no way for a North American side to qualify.
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Re: 2021 Womens Rugby World Cup

Postby Armchair Fan » Fri, 05 Apr 2019, 11:39

It's not even corruption. The three teams directly qualified for European tournament are those with right to vote. Even if both the Netherlands and Spain were good enough to beat all of them they would never have the voting power to change things.

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Re: 2021 Womens Rugby World Cup

Postby Thomas » Fri, 05 Apr 2019, 11:43

I would say more like a Cartel running the show and throwing bread crumbs to the masses. Corruption implies bribery etc.. this is more like trying to keep a hold on power by gerrymandering in a funny sort of way.

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Re: 2021 Womens Rugby World Cup

Postby thatrugbyguy » Fri, 05 Apr 2019, 11:52

Let's be honest, no matter how much it's rigged, Spain are still good enough to qualify. Keep that in mind.

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Re: 2021 Womens Rugby World Cup

Postby Armchair Fan » Fri, 05 Apr 2019, 12:01

Yeah, but it's always the same, skating on thin ice. And in this wider case it looks pretty clear we may see teams outside Top 12 in rankings qualifying easily for WRWC whereas up to three inside it may miss out.

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Re: 2021 Womens Rugby World Cup

Postby RugbyLiebe » Fri, 05 Apr 2019, 12:07

Thomas wrote:I would say more like a Cartel running the show and throwing bread crumbs to the masses. Corruption implies bribery etc.. this is more like trying to keep a hold on power by gerrymandering in a funny sort of way.


The German defintion of criminal corruption according to the German criminal agency (BKA) is (among others), that you use your position to help yourself or a third person (a Ltd is a person under law) to gain an advantage. Might be different in Britain (or I might understand this wrong :D )
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Re: 2021 Womens Rugby World Cup

Postby thatrugbyguy » Fri, 05 Apr 2019, 12:15

Armchair Fan wrote:Yeah, but it's always the same, skating on thin ice. And in this wider case it looks pretty clear we may see teams outside Top 12 in rankings qualifying easily for WRWC whereas up to three inside it may miss out.


Then they have to go out and make a point to WR.

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Re: 2021 Womens Rugby World Cup

Postby victorsra » Fri, 05 Apr 2019, 12:25

The great news is that for the first time in history there will be a South American Womens 15s Championship.

It will be probably Brazil-Colombia-Argentina. But we are screwed in the Rep.
The fair thing now for 2025 is to have 16 teams.
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Re: 2021 Womens Rugby World Cup

Postby RugbyLiebe » Fri, 05 Apr 2019, 12:28

I think there is nothing to say against that they changed the qualification itself. If World Rugby would finally clean the rankings, we would have no more than 30 teams left. Spain will qualify easily. If not through this farce, then through the repechage.
The thing that makes it ridiculous is, that they gave some teams an unfair advantage over others, because they play their games organized by a Ltd. Additionally this Ltd. is also a closed shop.
I would be ashamed, if I was a female rugby national player from Ireland, Scotland or Italy and would only gain my status, because the men's department of my Union formed a cartel before.
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Re: 2021 Womens Rugby World Cup

Postby rey200 » Fri, 05 Apr 2019, 13:02

Hmm, I don't get your anger. If I understand correctly at least 1 6N team won't qualify for the world cup, with possible 3 teams. Last time there was a maximum of 1 team missing out. I call that a massive improvement, although I'm not extatic, because 2 good teams will miss out and we will get some blowouts. That's not the best solution for me.

Take Africa: no teams in the 2017 qualifying process but they will get a shot at 2 places. Doesn't sound fair at all.
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Re: 2021 Womens Rugby World Cup

Postby johnbirch » Fri, 05 Apr 2019, 18:53

Given the overall performance of European teams in 2017 it does not seem unjust that they lose a place, to be honest, but giving the three Six Nations a bye straight into the Euro qualifier but demanding that Spain win the European Championship first is wildly unfair. Spain have been at the last two World Cups, Scotland have not.

It also seems wildy unfair that nations from Central America and the Caribbean are left without any means to qualify. The excuse that USA and Canada have already qualified of pretty pathetic - like telling Spain "its okay, we have give a place to France". NACRA may have no current 15s championship, but are working towards it with 10s and at least having a place in the S American Champ would be just the incentive to push that forward. After being shafted over Olympic qualification, it is very poor that NACRA loses out again.

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Re: 2021 Womens Rugby World Cup

Postby Thomas » Fri, 05 Apr 2019, 22:11

johnbirch wrote:Given the overall performance of European teams in 2017 it does not seem unjust that they lose a place, to be honest, but giving the three Six Nations a bye straight into the Euro qualifier but demanding that Spain win the European Championship first is wildly unfair. Spain have been at the last two World Cups, Scotland have not.

It also seems wildy unfair that nations from Central America and the Caribbean are left without any means to qualify. The excuse that USA and Canada have already qualified of pretty pathetic - like telling Spain "its okay, we have give a place to France". NACRA may have no current 15s championship, but are working towards it with 10s and at least having a place in the S American Champ would be just the incentive to push that forward. After being shafted over Olympic qualification, it is very poor that NACRA loses out again.


Aside from Colombia and lets be honest is an emerging power, no one has taken the lead in Women's programs the fact there is no direct South America Qualification or motivation to established proper programs is a concerning issue.

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Re: 2021 Womens Rugby World Cup

Postby thatrugbyguy » Sat, 06 Apr 2019, 00:41

Actually, you know what, I've changed my mind. The Spanish should be objecting to this qualification process and lodge a formal complaint to WR.

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