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Re: 2014 Women's Rugby World Cup

Postby iul » Sat, 09 Aug 2014, 22:24

So, sjbret has won the battle of the ranking systems :)

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Re: 2014 Women's Rugby World Cup

Postby sjbret » Sun, 10 Aug 2014, 00:46

iul wrote:So, sjbret has won the battle of the ranking systems :)

I'm not so sure. In the updated Serge's rankings, Black Ferns (out of semifinals) are just behind England.
It would be very curious if they finished at the first place, but I think it's possible.
http://les-archives-de-serge.over-blog. ... 07224.html

Serge wrote:1 Angleterre / England 4884
2 Nouvelle-Zélande / New Zealand 4881
3 France 4790
4 Canada 4751
5 Irlande / Ireland 4659
6 États-Unis / United States 4654
7 Pays de Galles / Wales 4385
8 Afrique du Sud / South Africa 4268
9 Espagne / Spain 4241
10 Australie / Australia 4144
11 Italie / Italy 4115
12 Écosse / Scotland 3922
13 Samoa 3308
14 Kazakhstan 3288
15 Suède / Sweden 2922
16 Pays-Bas / Netherlands 2885

And results are here : http://les-archives-de-serge.over-blog. ... 83747.html

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Re: 2014 Women's Rugby World Cup

Postby rampage » Sun, 10 Aug 2014, 06:28

Just saw some highlights from the Aus v France game - there were some terrible refereeing decisions, including the yellow card and the penalty try. While France would have still won the game, I think the referee may find herself being confined to the qualification games.

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Re: 2014 Women's Rugby World Cup

Postby YamahaKiwi » Sun, 10 Aug 2014, 10:08

That was Leah Berard of the US. She made some terrible decisions in the womens 7s WS as well and I groaned when I saw she had been selected to offciate in the WRWC. Painful tournament result for the BF. Shows what can happen in 12 team tournaments with 3x4 pools. We've seen it in the Womens 7s WS and the JWC and I stand by my view that I've espoused for a long time on another forum that two of the worst decisions the IRB took in the last few years was to cut back both the JWC and WRWC from 16 teams to 12. It's meant a much wider gap between regular participant nations and the others has developed since the cutback.

As for the BFs I said before they didn't look overwhelmingly good like in the past when they struggled to beat Canada in NZ earlier this year and really they have only themselves to blame. They made a rod for their own back losing to Ireland. I had a feeling after the Canada games that they might not be good enough this year and I thought Ireland might give them some curry but I didn't think they would miss the semis! :( Some might cynically say that both Canada and England knowing full well a draw would put the BFs out of contention before the game started were probably quite happy to play to a draw in order to take one of their main rivals out of contention but NZ should never have put themselves in that position in the first place. I don't think I've ever seen such a fall from grace from a team that has been so dominant in rugby. It's one thing to not retain the title but put a huge fight in losing but another to go down to 5th at best.

Having said that even England haven't been as dominant in the 12 months as they have been in the previous few years prior. Struggling to beat the USA at home, losing to France in the 6N, and now struggling to a draw with Canada. You would have said in the past if the BFs were out ENG would be huge favs to win, but you couldn't honestly say that this time. I see them v FRA in the final but with FRA at home it'll be a tough final and I'm sure they will have earnt it if they do finish champs. Imagine if they don't though. Finally the BFs are out of the way and someone else stops them! I'd actually feel pretty sorry for some of the ENG players!

BTW I think this WRWC sees a new piece of rugby history written - the first time in any mens or womens 7s or XVs world cup since the first mens XVs RWC in 1987 where there will not be a single SH team :shock:

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Re: 2014 Women's Rugby World Cup

Postby Ser Podrick of Payne » Sun, 10 Aug 2014, 11:09

YamahaKiwi wrote:

BTW I think this WRWC sees a new piece of rugby history written - the first time in any mens or womens 7s or XVs world cup since the first mens XVs RWC in 1987 where there will not be a single SH team :shock:


It's the end of civilization as we know it! Now we can get our own back with going off about NH superiority ;)

Some of the reffing does seem to have been "idiosyncratic".

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Re: 2014 Women's Rugby World Cup

Postby rampage » Sun, 10 Aug 2014, 13:19

YamahaKiwi wrote:Some might cynically say that both Canada and England knowing full well a draw would put the BFs out of contention before the game started were probably quite happy to play to a draw in order to take one of their main rivals out of contention


Both England and Canada played poorly - England failed to capitalise on opportunities, while Canada failed at basic ball handling. Canada's defence, though was tough, and the only way England looked like scoring was through direct forward play (their try came from a push-over scrum) or through kicks. There were times when the Canadian defence drove England back 30 metres in 3 plays.

I think in the last couple of minutes, England knew a draw would see them top Group A, and Canada realised that outside of France losing to Australia with 2 bonus points, a draw would put them through to the quarters, there was no point for either team to risk a loss. I don't think that NZ ever entered into their thoughts, although it was a good by-product for them.

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Re: 2014 Women's Rugby World Cup

Postby ugrugbychiclet » Mon, 11 Aug 2014, 14:27

grande wrote:
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ugrugbychiclet wrote:IRB really needs to introduce quarter finals to this cup. We need to watch more exciting games not just a handful of them ...
Quarter finals shouldn't be introduced until there is 16 teams competing in the group stage. Are we ready for 16 teams competing in world cup?


That's one of the problems with women's rugby... There are about six teams that could beat any other team given the right bit of luck / skill / conditions, but then after that, the quality drops off fast.

Anyway, my excitement for Ireland beating New Zealand didn't last long... I was pretty disappointed when I realised it really reduced Canada's chances of getting through to the semi's. Hopefully we can pull of a win against England like we did in the Nations Cup... but I understand that wasn't England's top flight of players.


Yes, it needs to be expanded to 16 teams. Yes, some teams will be really poor but they'll find their own level after the pool stages. Qualifying for the semi is a bit of a lottery right now. You lose one game and you're out. With the quarter final format, teams have won world cups in the past despite dropping a pool game. Canada also might not have made it to the semis despite not losing a game if the France-Australia result had not favoured them. I'm not saying that NZ deserved to be in the semis (they really did not) but I think that quarter finals and semis are fairer than this current format. That said, I'm happy with the 4 teams that made it to the semis - they've invested a lot in women's 15s over the last years and have played quite a lot of international games and put in consistently good performances over the last 2 years so deserve to be there.

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Re: 2014 Women's Rugby World Cup

Postby Adamstown 7's » Tue, 12 Aug 2014, 09:16

I have been watching some of the Womens World cup, and although I have been impressed with the physicality of some of these Players, the level of refereeing has been atrocious!

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Re: 2014 Women's Rugby World Cup

Postby rampage » Wed, 13 Aug 2014, 01:43

On the referee front, Amy Perrett (Australia) and Helen O'Reilly (Ireland) will referee the semis. Nicky Inwood (New Zealand) is the AR1 for both games.

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Re: 2014 Women's Rugby World Cup

Postby grande » Wed, 13 Aug 2014, 13:32

Rankings ahead of today's knock-out rounds:

1. New Zealand (49.84)
2. Ireland (48.02)
3. France (46.64, ↑2)
4. England (46.52, ↓1) (US)
5. Canada (45.8, ↓1)
6. Australia (42.95)
7. United States (39.92)
8. Wales (37.16, ↑3)
9. Spain (36.53, ↑1)
10. Italy (35.44, ↓1)
11. South Africa (32.1, ↓3)
12. Kazakhstan (32.06)
13. Uganda (29.45, ↑1)
14. Samoa (29.38, ↓1)

Differences in rankings for today's games: I have Australia ahead of the United States and Ireland ahead of England.

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Re: 2014 Women's Rugby World Cup

Postby grande » Wed, 13 Aug 2014, 16:39

England is just absolutely dominating Ireland in the scrum.

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Re: 2014 Women's Rugby World Cup

Postby grande » Wed, 13 Aug 2014, 19:53

France - Canada has been the game of the tournament so far. Incredible. Harvey is a shoe-in for player of the tournament.

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Re: 2014 Women's Rugby World Cup

Postby grande » Wed, 13 Aug 2014, 20:56

CANADA WINS! Canada - England final. Can't. Friggin. Wait.

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Re: 2014 Women's Rugby World Cup

Postby Rowan » Wed, 13 Aug 2014, 21:22

Keep seeing this on FB, but don't think I qualify :roll:

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If they're good enough to play at World Cups, then why not in between?

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Re: 2014 Women's Rugby World Cup

Postby Trendsetta » Wed, 13 Aug 2014, 21:54

Lets go Canada! England going down..... :evil:

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Re: 2014 Women's Rugby World Cup

Postby grande » Wed, 13 Aug 2014, 22:36

And today, just before the end of the tournament, I discover that there's a bug in my rankings hahaha. Time for some debugging!

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Re: 2014 Women's Rugby World Cup

Postby Buffalo » Wed, 13 Aug 2014, 22:52

The way Canada played in the 2nd half is worrisome to me. I know they can compete with England and can win this but they definitely need to play with more discipline and stop the damn maul. It was a huge win for Canada but definitely could have gone the other way.

Either way this has been a great tournament for Canada and our rugby as a whole. With 7's being an Olympic sport Canada is pumping money into both Men and Women's programs and hopefully the thought of Olympic gold and being a World Cup contender brings in more women to the sport. I know they were pumping joining local clubs and visiting the Rugby Canada website heavily during today's broadcast. It also helps that women's rugby is a scholarship sport here as well.

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Re: 2014 Women's Rugby World Cup

Postby sjbret » Sun, 17 Aug 2014, 22:04

Serge has updated his rankings after WRWC 2014 and English victory :
1 Angleterre / England 5117
2 Nouvelle-Zélande / New Zealand 5076
3 Canada 4974
4 France 4950
5 Irlande / Ireland 4814
6 États-Unis / United States 4785
7 Pays de Galles / Wales 4488
8 Australie / Australia 4397
9 Espagne / Spain 4379
10 Afrique du Sud / South Africa 4332
11 Italie / Italy 4115
12 Écosse / Scotland 3922
13 Samoa 3579
14 Kazakhstan 3483
15 Suède / Sweden 2922
16 Pays-Bas / Netherlands 2885
17 Russie (U.R.S.S.) / Russia 2032
18 Allemagne / Germany 1929
19 Japon / Japan 1828
20 Belgique / Belgium 1675
21 Hong Kong 1588 - 22 Finlande / Finland 1518 - 23 Singapour / Singapore 1343 - 24 Suisse / Switzerland 1174 - 25 Kénya / Kenya 1102
26 Ouganda / Uganda 1066 - 27 Chine (Populaire) / China 951 - 28 Norvège / Norway 914 - 29 Roumanie / Romania 810 - 30 Trinidad et Tobago / Trinidad & Tob. 804
31 Fidji / Fiji 704 - 32 Iles Cayman / Cayman 683 - 33 Thaïlande / Thailand 670 - 34 Ouzbékistan / Uzbekistan 647 - 35 Danemark / Denmark 631
36 Jamaïque / Jamaica 594 - 37 Tonga 530 - 38 Philippines 515 - 39 Luxembourg 491 - 40 Malaisie / Malaysia 478
41 République Tchèque / Czech Rep. 476 - 42 Laos 458 - 43 Guyana 440 - 44 Brésil / Brasil 400 - 45 Serbie / Serbia 355
46 Rwanda 348 - 47 Barbade / Barbados 298 - 48 Bosnie-Herzégovine / Bosnia & Herz. 260 - 49 Autriche / Austria 246 - 50 Colombie / Colombia 199
51 Namibie / Namibia 188 - 52 Zambie / Zambia 183 - 53 Mayotte 181 - 54 Bahamas 178 - 55 Croatie / Croatia 167
56 Saint-Vincent et Grenad. / St Vincent 133 - 57 Portugal 126 - 58 Kirghizstan / Kyrgyzstan 125 - 59 Burundi 123 - 60 Vénézuela / Venezuela 106
61 Réunion 91 - 62 Cambodge / Cambodia 86 - 63 Botswana 86 - 64 Hongrie / Hungary 81 - 65 Papouasie-Nouvelle-Guinée / PNG 68 - 66 Zimbabwe 57
And... 15 Nomads Britann. / British Nomads 3452 - 19 Iles Britann. / GB - British Lionesses 1968 - 38 Sélection Caraïbes / Caribbean Sel. 619

http://les-archives-de-serge.over-blog. ... 07224.html

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Re: 2014 Women's Rugby World Cup

Postby rampage » Mon, 18 Aug 2014, 03:33

How are Wales, who were thrashed mercilessly by France, New Zealand and Australia (twice) rated above Australia?

I think this world cup shows that the gap between the top 2 (England and New Zealand) and the chasers has narrowed significantly, but the gap between the next 5 (Ireland, France, Canada, USA, Australia) and the rest has expanded. It showed by how the bottom 5 of this world cup did not get within 20 points of the teams above them.

There needs to be more regular competition for women outside of the 6 nations. Australia needs to invest in more tests for our women's team, while South Africa and Samoa need to push for a better, more regular, continental tournament, or a women's version of TRC.

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Re: 2014 Women's Rugby World Cup

Postby YamahaKiwi » Mon, 18 Aug 2014, 04:31

Worst part of the new IRB's womens development plan covering 2013-2017 was the total lack of even discussion or comment about the need for an annual series for non European teams. There really needs to be a womens RC played alongside the mens with RSA, NZ & AUS joined by USA & CAN to make a RCW5N.

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Re: 2014 Women's Rugby World Cup

Postby rampage » Mon, 18 Aug 2014, 05:29

Given the costs involved, they could have a 6 team, 2 pool tournament. One pool containing Australia, New Zealand and Samoa, the other containing South Africa, Canada and USA. Given the strength of New Zealand and Canada, and just behind them, Australia and USA, there would be sufficient strength in both pools.

Either that, or a 2 tiered tournament, being hosted as a one-week tournament in one venue. The top tier (New Zealand, Canada, Australia, USA) and the second tier (Samoa, South Africa, Kazakhstan, a South American team) would get access to a proper tournament every year, and the hosting rights would rotate between the four nations.

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Re: 2014 Women's Rugby World Cup

Postby johnbirch » Mon, 18 Aug 2014, 19:00

The IRB have put all their women's development eggs in the sevens basket, not least because several powerful unions are happy for them to be there (ie. Australia, who we are unlikely to see play any test rugby between now and the 2017 qualifiers. Always assuming they have to qualify). New Zealand only played tests betweem 2010 and 2013 because the RFU paid them to - and that is unlikely to change either. Samoa - who are almost entirely New Zealand based - also are vanishingly unlikely to play any tests (even against New Zealand) as they have practically a zero budget.

Kazakhstan at least want to play more tests, and outside Asia too (though Japan and Hong Kong are becoming more competitive), but no-one will play them (Russia, the obvious opponents, have said no on several occasions - again because of sevens). Their only hope would be Spain (but they will want bigger fish), or maybe that Rugby Europe allow them to play in future European tournaments

The best hope is South Africa, who will presumably continue to be involved with the Nations Cup along with USA and Canada (and England).

Truth is that with the Olympics in 2016, Olympic qualifying in 2015 and the sevens world cup in 2018 there is very little room or money for expanding women's test rugby.

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Re: 2014 Women's Rugby World Cup

Postby YamahaKiwi » Tue, 19 Aug 2014, 03:13

Wrong John. There's plenty of room in the season and opportunity for a W5NRC to be created. Given a tournament with several of the world's highest-ranked teams, and playing some of the games at the same time as the mens competition, such a competition could really give womens XVs a shot in the arm from a playing, sponsorship, and general awareness of womens rugby perspective. I can't believe the NZRFU and other major unions don't understand that without a REGULAR, ANNUAL competition with more than a couple of games, no sponsor is going to be interested, and the interest levels are not going to be raised in the sport. Adhoc games every now and then don't cut it. Just like mens rugby, an organised, annual, high-profile womens event is also needed.

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Re: 2014 Women's Rugby World Cup

Postby johnbirch » Tue, 19 Aug 2014, 07:21

I may be pessimistic, but I have a strong feeling of deja vu, having seen the happy smiling Australians come off the field in 2010 speaking about how they were looking forward to building on what they had achieved. Sky in the UK were delighted by the big TV audiences they got then, but nothing happened until the RFU to paid New Zealand to come out of purdah and play some games.

So many of the same noises were made then - an international test calendar, a proper ranking system for future world cups were "close to being announced" in 2011. Nothing happened - the proposals blocked by someone/some unions.

There is clearly the time and interest and sponsorship opportunities, but are the ARU and NZRU going to seize them this time having ignored them in 2010? Or are they just going to stick to the IRB's sevens strategy?

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Re: 2014 Women's Rugby World Cup

Postby grande » Tue, 19 Aug 2014, 13:05

It will be interesting to see what happens with the Women's Nation's Cup in the coming years. Perhaps Australia or NZ could be invited to that?

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