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Postby Thomas » Sat, 18 Aug 2018, 20:55

I was searching at the records and according to what I have read online this was the 50th Test Match for Australia since 1994 against all nations. Just seen the highlights very good match.

They are looking better most definitely. BF are step up above everyone else at present.

Looking forward to November when they come over.

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Postby grande » Sun, 19 Aug 2018, 12:47

Looks like this was the 16th match between the two teams, if Wikipedia is accurate.

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Postby TheStroBro » Sun, 19 Aug 2018, 15:05

So why did the gates only open an hour before kickoff? Apparently it was a major cockup?

YamahaKiwi wrote:commentary said first Wallaroos try on home soil in a decade. Indicates just how little test rugby Oz women have played, and at home, in the last decade.

If you're not in the 6N or even REC...you're not getting a lot of matches. USA averaged 3.5 last cycle. Canada 4.5, Black Ferns 6, Red Roses 11.

YamahaKiwi wrote:I think the Wallaroos play in Womens SR comp has def helped in terms of fitness and combinations. The BF have come in a lot colder and unsurprisingly made a large amount of errors, and penalties, and of course the Wallaroos have stepped up in D which also forced some errors on BF attack. I don't think the BF coach Glen Moore will be too happy about the content. I expect the BF will be better next week for tonight's game and an extra week of training together. I was surprised that the BF didn't blow out the score a bit more in the last 20mins. The Wallaroos were on D for a lot of the 1st half and I thought the effort would tell later in the game but infact they finished better. I do also wonder if some of the BF players weren't focused after they had effectively wrapped up the result with about 15-20mins to go. Maybe they just expected it to happen for them in that last period and were guilty of clocking off early.


SuperW was 5 matches for the finalists...and ended in April, there is definitely no increase fitness derived from that. What would change the game though is if there was an Across the Tasman competition of SuperW and 5 women's teams aligned under the NZ Super Rugby sides.

thatrugbyguy wrote:Don't agree entirely with the Black Ferns clocking off, Wallaroos showed far more intensity and commitment than in the past which pressured the kiwi girls into mistakes. Last time they played the Ferns were a class above our girls, Wallaroos look far more polished tonight. Defence against the maul needs to be looked at though, cost them 2 tries. Girls need more internationals in general.


It wasn't a full strength Ferns side, looking at the roster you're missing some big players: Blyde, Woodman etc.

The interesting thing about Women's Rugby is that the programs with full integration of their 7s teams into the XVs side are the best teams. Black Ferns, England, France. A criticism I had of Australia last summer was that none of the 7s players played XVs. Of course I'm surprised some of the Ferns who competed in the 7s WC suited up for this one. Right now, you put some of those Wallaroos 7s Women onto the pitch you will be able to gain parity pretty fast.

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There's no reason why RSA & ARG couldn't be substituted for USA & CAN. Like the men's TRC do with RSA and ARG, you can do a 2 week tour of NAM and NAM teams can tour 2 weeks to NZ & Aust.


Who do we call? Let's make it happen.

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Only issue is going to be coverage in USA and Canada, it would be far more beneficial if South Africa and Argentina were involved, but it's better than nothing. Women's 6 Nations seems to have found it's own niche audience by following the mens format, even if Spain deserves to be there ahead of Italy.


How? Argentina don't fund their Women XV or their Women 7s program. South Africa is restarting the whole thing. They have some talented players but they would get murdered in XVs right now. Whereas USA and CAN are the level of competition you need to be facing all the time to get better. Also, the appetite for successful women's NTs in this country is huge. Look at USA Soccer, those women crush it with TV ratings and crowds.

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Postby johnbirch » Sun, 19 Aug 2018, 18:46

grande wrote:Looks like this was the 16th match between the two teams, if Wikipedia is accurate.

Yes - 16th test between the two teams, and Australia's 50th. Also New Zealand's 93rd (so start the countdown)

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Postby johnbirch » Sun, 19 Aug 2018, 18:54

TheStroBro wrote:
thatrugbyguy wrote:
Only issue is going to be coverage in USA and Canada, it would be far more beneficial if South Africa and Argentina were involved, but it's better than nothing. Women's 6 Nations seems to have found it's own niche audience by following the mens format, even if Spain deserves to be there ahead of Italy.


How? Argentina don't fund their Women XV or their Women 7s program. South Africa is restarting the whole thing. They have some talented players but they would get murdered in XVs right now.

Totally agree. For deep seated socio-political reasons there is really no possibility for Argentina or South Africa doing anything with women's rugby for the foreseeable future. Both countries seem to be stuck in a 1950s timewarp when it comes to attiudes to women playing rugby. At SQ we have been working on an article about women's rugby in RSA that has got darker and more worrying the more we have dug, while leading men's clubs still refuse to have women's rugby teams in Argentina ("women play hockey").

It you want a South American test team then your best hope by far is Colombia, while the great hope for Africa is Kenya - though Zimbabwe have all the right ideas if they were not hamstrung by funding.

But frankly any African or South American team is a decade or two away from being remotely competitive against Australia or New Zealand (South Africa have gone several years backwards since 2014). The best hope for a southern hemisphere third or fourth team would be Fiji or PNG.

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Postby Raven » Mon, 20 Aug 2018, 10:05

The case in Argentina is pretty weird / ironic / frustrating / incomprehensible / etc / etc.

Not only the sport has great exposure, but the men´s team even have a pretty good onfield success that enables everybody in the country to at least know the basics of the sport. You see it on TV every weekend, during RWCs it´s shown on almost every program, so it shouldn´t be difficult to capture women to play it. However, Field Hockey is pretty successful specially among women, and women´s Volleyball is also relatively popular.

This added to the Macho-Culture, has not only taken it´s toll on rugby but on the biggest sport in the country, football! where (organisational skills / politics aside) women teams have had various problems when participating of South American Championships. The small pool of players they can pick from exposes the true fact that they cannot compete with other smaller nations with better structures. The ultimate combo makes it very difficult for women to develop team sports other than the ones I mentioned before.

Now analyzing what it´s at hand in terms of Women´s Rugby in Argentina, the lack of players have forced various championships to be played in 10s formats and there´s really not that many XVs going on. Very big differences between teams. There´s hardly any side with Junior setups, so women start playing at the age of 17/18, most of them start when studying Physical Education. So because of this, 7s is for now the best way to go, as the Olympic possibility opens doors for more exposure and funds. To top it off, the Argentines really screwed their ticket to Rio, so that was also disappointing and has stalled the game a bit as well.

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Postby Thomas » Mon, 20 Aug 2018, 13:35

The game is stalled pure and simple for many years, it is going for more than 10 years or more. I really feel for the people on the ground trying to get a women's program going. until the UAR pull their finger it will remain the same.

I would like to see someone like Peru as the next country after Colombia and Brazil to get their XV Program going.

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Postby Armchair Fan » Mon, 20 Aug 2018, 13:52

On Argentina women's rugby this article was published a week ago. But as always when Pichot is in the middle it stinks of propaganda. It was quite funny to see him talk about women's rugby growth in a Spanish radio station last Christmas:
https://www.ole.com.ar/rugby/mujeres-ru ... 93262.html

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Postby victorsra » Mon, 20 Aug 2018, 17:15

Raven wrote:The case in Argentina is pretty weird / ironic / frustrating / incomprehensible / etc / etc.

Not only the sport has great exposure, but the men´s team even have a pretty good onfield success that enables everybody in the country to at least know the basics of the sport. You see it on TV every weekend, during RWCs it´s shown on almost every program, so it shouldn´t be difficult to capture women to play it. However, Field Hockey is pretty successful specially among women, and women´s Volleyball is also relatively popular.

This added to the Macho-Culture, has not only taken it´s toll on rugby but on the biggest sport in the country, football! where (organisational skills / politics aside) women teams have had various problems when participating of South American Championships. The small pool of players they can pick from exposes the true fact that they cannot compete with other smaller nations with better structures. The ultimate combo makes it very difficult for women to develop team sports other than the ones I mentioned before.

Now analyzing what it´s at hand in terms of Women´s Rugby in Argentina, the lack of players have forced various championships to be played in 10s formats and there´s really not that many XVs going on. Very big differences between teams. There´s hardly any side with Junior setups, so women start playing at the age of 17/18, most of them start when studying Physical Education. So because of this, 7s is for now the best way to go, as the Olympic possibility opens doors for more exposure and funds. To top it off, the Argentines really screwed their ticket to Rio, so that was also disappointing and has stalled the game a bit as well.


CUBA, one traditional Buenos Aires club, is bizarre, anachronic, forbidden women to be members of the club. AFAIK they need to be wives of daughters.

It you want a South American test team then your best hope by far is Colombia, while the great hope for Africa is Kenya - though Zimbabwe have all the right ideas if they were not hamstrung by funding.


Yes, the Brazilian Rugby Union gives a damn to Women's XV, no plans at all. It is up to the clubs to try to play XVs. The São Paulo Rugby Union is the one trying to make it possible. They organized in 2017 the first Women's XVs competition in Brazil, but they failed in making it happen again in 2018.

Recorded crowd was 28,846, a world record for women's rugby, although we need to be honest and say it's not quite the same as selling out a venue specifically for a women's match.


Amazing. Is is set to happen a match 3 during the Yokohama's Bledisloe Cup 3? Or match 2 at the Eden Park is the last one?
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Postby johnbirch » Mon, 20 Aug 2018, 18:57

victorsra wrote:
Recorded crowd was 28,846, a world record for women's rugby, although we need to be honest and say it's not quite the same as selling out a venue specifically for a women's match.


Amazing. Is is set to happen a match 3 during the Yokohama's Bledisloe Cup 3? Or match 2 at the Eden Park is the last one?


Double-headers really cannot count - especially when you look at pictures of the game. 29,000 would mean the stadium would have to have been a least a third full and there is no way at all that was the case, even at the end.

As with the Welsh claim during the Six Nations, the count seems to be the number of people who had entered the ground prior to the end of the women's match - it is most certainly not a count of people in their seats watching the game.

As someone else said, you cannot claim a 80,000 crowd for a school game just because the play at halftime.

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Postby Raven » Wed, 22 Aug 2018, 08:37

Armchair Fan wrote:On Argentina women's rugby this article was published a week ago. But as always when Pichot is in the middle it stinks of propaganda. It was quite funny to see him talk about women's rugby growth in a Spanish radio station last Christmas:
https://www.ole.com.ar/rugby/mujeres-ru ... 93262.html


Funnily enough, his sister is also in this article but it isn´t clear in what role... I know she has a column in a digital magazine, but as far as I´m concerned, never played the sport and isn´t a UAR representative... maybe looking for a position? :D

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Postby thatrugbyguy » Thu, 23 Aug 2018, 05:46

Newcastle and the Hunter Valley in northern New South Wales are throwing their hat in to host the 2021 WRWC in Australia. Not sure why Newcastle alone though.

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Postby Thomas » Thu, 23 Aug 2018, 09:28

is Women's Rugby Big in Newcastle? I don't recall.

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Postby thatrugbyguy » Thu, 23 Aug 2018, 12:50

Rugby has always had a solid history in the region but it's second fiddle to rugby league given they have an NRL team there.

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Postby victorsra » Fri, 24 Aug 2018, 19:54

It would be nice to see each group in a different city to give it a better taste of a World Cup.... with no more than 1 match at the same time in the groups stage. But of course it would cost more...

Team will have 4 rest days between group matches and 6 matches in knockouts, as anounced, with 35 days: https://www.bbc.com/sport/rugby-union/44062807

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Postby thatrugbyguy » Sat, 25 Aug 2018, 05:06

Second test starting between Wallaroos and Black Ferns. Ferns up 5-0 after 3 mins.

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Postby YamahaKiwi » Sat, 25 Aug 2018, 05:14

stream is supposed to be on new cricfree.sc site but looks like they are having trouble with it

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Postby thatrugbyguy » Sat, 25 Aug 2018, 05:15

Referee missing blatant infringements from the Black Ferns. Wallaroo defence inside their 22 is woeful. 12-0

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Postby thatrugbyguy » Sat, 25 Aug 2018, 05:19

Wallaroos hit back. 12-5. Girls look good with ball in hand. Defence is their issue.

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Postby YamahaKiwi » Sat, 25 Aug 2018, 05:25

Where are you seeing this?

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Postby thatrugbyguy » Sat, 25 Aug 2018, 05:26

Foxtel app. Ferns are in again. Wallaroos discipline on their line it terrible, gave away 5 penalty advantages before the Ferns scored again.

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Postby YamahaKiwi » Sat, 25 Aug 2018, 05:27

Foxtel. That's only Aust right?

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Postby thatrugbyguy » Sat, 25 Aug 2018, 05:31

I think so.

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