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Re: 2018 RWC Sevens - San Francisco/San Jose (USA)

Postby Canalina » Wed, 18 Jul 2018, 08:32

Substitute Wimbledon with "Olympic Games tennis tournament" and you will have players from Bolivia or Pakistan playing once every four years in a top tournament, probably for just two sets. Or think to the Olympic alpine skiing slalom or to the Olympic track&field 100 meters: for some athletes the dream lasts more or less 10 seconds

I don't want to say it's a good format, just it's not an unicum in the sport panorama

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Re: 2018 RWC Sevens - San Francisco/San Jose (USA)

Postby Armchair Fan » Wed, 18 Jul 2018, 08:35

Well, in Olympic tennis you see individual players switch to doubles and mixed doubles if they fail in early rounds.

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Re: 2018 RWC Sevens - San Francisco/San Jose (USA)

Postby RugbyLiebe » Wed, 18 Jul 2018, 09:10

Canalina wrote:Substitute Wimbledon with "Olympic Games tennis tournament" and you will have players from Bolivia or Pakistan playing once every four years in a top tournament, probably for just two sets.


Not true. Apart from the top 56 players in the world ranking (+ the players getting in because a nation has more than 4 players in the top56) there are only 8 wild cards for the Olympic tennis tournament. The lowest one was a player from Barbados, but he had also qualified for a Grand Slam tournament before. His earnings on the tour are at 430k USD now.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennis_at ... lification

So there were only a handful of non-tennis-millionaires playing there.
I understand where you're coming from though.


Canalina wrote:I don't want to say it's a good format, just it's not an unicum in the sport panorama


Every other team sport I can think of has group stages. After 14 minutes you are basically out of the tournament. That is indeed a unicum in the sport panorama in team sports as far as I know.
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Re: 2018 RWC Sevens - San Francisco/San Jose (USA)

Postby thatrugbyguy » Wed, 18 Jul 2018, 11:33

Comparing individual sports and team sports is like comparing apples and oranges. They're require two different set of planning, training and competition structure. Knockout team sports do happen, but they usually happen along with some other type of group play. Football in England would be pretty dull if the FA Cup was the only competition.

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Re: 2018 RWC Sevens - San Francisco/San Jose (USA)

Postby TheStroBro » Wed, 18 Jul 2018, 14:59

Canalina wrote:Let's not forget that in Wimbledon or Roland Garros, for example, they always had a knock-out format. Also a tennis player who dreams Wimbledon for a year and trains for it could be out of the tournament just after two sets on a side field. And even without placement matches as consolation.
As you said, the choice of San Francisco format must be not just a matter of time because dropping the placement matches they would have had room for pool games; evidently they really wanted this format, I suppose due to the fear of boring the US crowd with the pool games.
Let's see, maybe we could love or at least accept this format after having tested it

Can we stop accusing Americans of stupidity, this has nothing to do with us. We've held a tour stop for 14 years. We understand pool play from other sports like...oh Basketball at the high school level. This is just WR acting a fool.

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Re: 2018 RWC Sevens - San Francisco/San Jose (USA)

Postby Canalina » Wed, 18 Jul 2018, 17:05

I was not accusing US crowd of stupidity, just of a different taste on sport viewing.
If my assumption is wrong, sorry; but there was absolutely no offense in it

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Re: 2018 RWC Sevens - San Francisco/San Jose (USA)

Postby TheStroBro » Wed, 18 Jul 2018, 17:35

Our sports viewing is more similar than not. We understand the purpose of pool play. I do wonder if this is now the end of RWC 7s.

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Re: 2018 RWC Sevens - San Francisco/San Jose (USA)

Postby Blurandski » Wed, 18 Jul 2018, 20:42

TheStroBro wrote:Our sports viewing is more similar than not. We understand the purpose of pool play. I do wonder if this is now the end of RWC 7s.


It's purely a logistical issue, considering that this is the re-launch, I doubt that this is the last of the 7s RWCs. I could see the format staying this way should it be considered a success, if not then for the next 7sRWC the host city will need 2 stadiums in walking distance.

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Re: 2018 RWC Sevens - San Francisco/San Jose (USA)

Postby thatrugbyguy » Thu, 19 Jul 2018, 04:12

The only reason for the knockout format is because they botched up the event location. I still don't know how the hell that happened. The easiest solution is to have the women play on the Thursday and Friday, and the men on Friday evening, Saturday and Sunday. It's not rocket science. If they want to have the men and women play together they have to add a fourth day onto the schedule. There's no way around it, there just isn't enough hours over 3 days to have 40 teams playing at the one location. You're going to be hard pressed to find two stadiums within walking distance of each other. I can easily see players not liking this scheduling at all. One chance, that's it. It's complete nonsense to think this is a fair way to have a world cup.

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Re: Sevens World Series/7's News

Postby victorsra » Thu, 19 Jul 2018, 13:31

World Rugby is writing Brazilian womens team name WRONG. They are calling on Twitter and press releases as LAS YARAS. Fuck. "Las" is SPANISH. In Portuguese is is "As Yaras". And i saw also "Yarras", with double R, which is also wrong.

After 2016 it should be pretty clear for everybody we dont speak Spanish.
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Re: 2018 RWC Sevens - San Francisco/San Jose (USA)

Postby victorsra » Thu, 19 Jul 2018, 19:50

Brazilian squad (6 players that were in the Olympics, in bold): Mariana Nicolau (São José), Luiza Campos (Leoas de Paraisópolis), Rafaela Zanellato (Curitiba), Leila Silva (Leoas de Paraisópolis), Aline Furtado (USP), Isadora “Izzy” Cerullo (Niterói), Amanda Araújo (Niterói), Beatriz “Baby” Futuro (Niterói), Haline Scatrut (Curitiba), Raquel Kochhann (Leoas de Paraisópolis), Bianca Silva (Leoas de Paraisópolis), Marcelle Souza (Guanabara).


Paula Ishibashi is officialy retired.

Beatriz Futuro will become the first Brazilian to play 3 World Cups (2009 and 2013 too).
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Re: 2018 RWC Sevens - San Francisco/San Jose (USA)

Postby victorsra » Fri, 20 Jul 2018, 03:03

Late change: Mariana Nicolau out, Milena Mariano (from São José too, with 18 yo) in.

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Re: 2018 RWC Sevens - San Francisco/San Jose (USA)

Postby Canalina » Fri, 20 Jul 2018, 13:06

Out of 16 national teams in San Francisco 0 (zero) have a woman coach
https://www.rwcsevens.com/teams/womens

Which could be the explanation? Women trust a man coach more than a woman one? Men's rugby is more evolved and diffused than the women's one so it's logical that there are much more high level coaching men than women?

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Re: 2018 RWC Sevens - San Francisco/San Jose (USA)

Postby victorsra » Fri, 20 Jul 2018, 14:30

I don't think it is about the players. It is the Unions that hire the coaches no matter what the players think and the Unions are basically men in most countries.

But it is important to ask how many women in each country are searching for a coaching carreer and how old is local women's rugby. If you don't have many veteran women, former players, the chances to have good women coaches are smaller.
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Re: 2018 RWC Sevens - San Francisco/San Jose (USA)

Postby NaBUru38 » Fri, 20 Jul 2018, 15:41

Female coaches will appear when current players retire.

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Re: 2018 RWC Sevens - San Francisco/San Jose (USA)

Postby Armchair Fan » Fri, 20 Jul 2018, 19:54

So the only upsets in Round of 16 happened in intra-core team clashes. This format might work with men as there are more programs established for a longer timeframe, but with only 12 teams in Women's Sevens World Series it would have been way wiser to maintain pool stages for women.

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Re: 2018 RWC Sevens - San Francisco/San Jose (USA)

Postby Thomas » Fri, 20 Jul 2018, 20:12

Canalina wrote:Out of 16 national teams in San Francisco 0 (zero) have a woman coach
https://www.rwcsevens.com/teams/womens

Which could be the explanation? Women trust a man coach more than a woman one? Men's rugby is more evolved and diffused than the women's one so it's logical that there are much more high level coaching men than women?


Not sure to be honest, why they stick to men, in the UK there are some highly qualified women coaching premiership teams. Women's Rugby has been around for a long time in the British Isle and also in Australia I have met a few who are Level 3 or above.

Why are they are not at International Level is something that I do wonder.

Only real "upset" Ireland v England

I feel sorry for Mexico they got England in the elimination round.

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Re: 2018 RWC Sevens - San Francisco/San Jose (USA)

Postby victorsra » Fri, 20 Jul 2018, 20:26

What a match for Bianca Silva, 2 tries! She has only 19 years old. And Rafaela Zanelatto (18 yo) entered very well, gave the offload for Amanda Araujo's try. Brazil is terrible defending, but have good momments with the ball in hands.
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Re: 2018 RWC Sevens - San Francisco/San Jose (USA)

Postby Canalina » Fri, 20 Jul 2018, 20:47

victorsra wrote:Rafaela Zanelatto (18 yo)

Zanellato :)
For you non italians to write our double-consonants seems as hard as for we italians to write the croatian or hungarian names full of Y, J and K (and in italian the first name of the player would be Raffaella!)

Maybe my favorite try of round one

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Re: 2018 RWC Sevens - San Francisco/San Jose (USA)

Postby NaBUru38 » Fri, 20 Jul 2018, 21:55

There a lots of Italian surnames in Uruguay, and you can find the "tt", "ll" and "pp" as double or single anywhere.

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Re: 2018 RWC Sevens - San Francisco/San Jose (USA)

Postby victorsra » Fri, 20 Jul 2018, 22:09

Italian names are absolutely common in Brazil, with millions of people specially in the South/Southeast with Italian origins. But people with Italian family names here don't speak Italian anymore (apart from tiny isolated communities) as the imigration happened from 1880s-1920s and almost everybody with Italian names is only a % Italian, with many other origins too (I am 25% Italian...). Mix is the rule.

We definitly do mistakes with the double consonants :lol: as in Portuguese double consonants don't exist,. Sorry :P (and I stuidied Itailian for two years, never know when to double letters :? )
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Re: 2018 RWC Sevens - San Francisco (USA)

Postby Canalina » Sat, 21 Jul 2018, 07:57

There's no a rule, it's just a matter of habit: for an italian "Zanelatto" doesn't sound like a surname, so I checked and in fact it was Zanellato.
Of course I don't want to criticize (my english is so mediocre that I can't criticize any other's language skills...) but it's funny that "the strangers" can't spot the correct double consonants spelling not even by lucky guess: ask an american to write the name of the great opera singer and he will write "Pavvaroti" or "Pavarroti" or "Pavvarroti" or "Pavaroti". Certainly not Pavarotti... :)

Back on the games, these are tonight semifinals (KO are in central Europe time); I hope France or USA can break the a-bit-boring oceanian dominion
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Re: 2018 RWC Sevens - San Francisco/San Jose (USA)

Postby NedRugby » Sat, 21 Jul 2018, 08:50

Thomas wrote:
Canalina wrote:Only real "upset" Ireland v England


I think "upset" is too strong a word. England have been poor all season. They didn't finish higher than 7th in any of the WSWS legs and ended up with 3 more series points than Ireland - hardly significant. Historically England were one of the trailing bunch, just behind NZ and Aus, but that simply isn't the case any more and I don't know why.

I think China could surprise a few people. They qualified at Hong Kong for next season's series, and I think they will be strong enough to maintain their core status rather than going straight back down. It would not surprise me at all if they give England a tough game and even beat them.

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Re: 2018 RWC Sevens - San Francisco (USA)

Postby NedRugby » Sat, 21 Jul 2018, 17:54

England beat China 38-0 so I suppose I must retract much of my last post.

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Re: 2018 RWC Sevens - San Francisco (USA)

Postby Canalina » Sat, 21 Jul 2018, 18:05

Again almost empty stands this morning. Maybe this aspect should be considered before the next edition: too long days of play lead to a morning desert on the seats. Of course I know that it's a problem hardly solvable

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