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Re: Rugby in Brazil

Postby victorsra » Mon, 15 Jul 2019, 05:10

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Re: Rugby in Brazil

Postby victorsra » Wed, 31 Jul 2019, 19:46

It is said now the Brazilian Super 16 will start in August 31st. Maybe in August 24th. Still waiting for the confirmation of the 16th club: http://www.portaldorugby.com.br/noticia ... ns-de-2019
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Re: Rugby in Brazil

Postby victorsra » Tue, 06 Aug 2019, 12:34

We (Portal do Rugby) published recently an "open letter" alarming Brazilian Rugby for the dangerous situation we are living now in our club rugby and here you are, Brazilian Rugby Union answered and will call an Open Assembly for discussion of a 2020+ project: http://www.portaldorugby.com.br/noticia ... eia-aberta
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Re: Rugby in Brazil

Postby victorsra » Thu, 08 Aug 2019, 22:46

A Players Comitee will be created by the Braziian Rugby Union. The elections will run in August. Any player can be a candidate and all players can vote using the online national rugby system http://www.portaldorugby.com.br/noticia ... ndidate-se

A Players Comitee is compulsory, all sports federation need to have one in Brazil since 2018 (If I am not wrong), as a way to fight corruption in sports). But the fact that CBRu opened a open election is positive.
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Re: Rugby in Brazil

Postby NaBUru38 » Sat, 10 Aug 2019, 22:42

I disagree that professional clubs must pay money directly to amateur clubs for players they hire. I think that professional leagues should pay money to the federation(s), and the federation(s) should invest it in developing amateur clubs.

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Re: Rugby in Brazil

Postby Working Class Rugger » Sun, 11 Aug 2019, 00:26

NaBUru38 wrote:I disagree that professional clubs must pay money directly to amateur clubs for players they hire. I think that professional leagues should pay money to the federation(s), and the federation(s) should invest it in developing amateur clubs.


Essentially licencing fees. Which is about right.

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Re: Rugby in Brazil

Postby victorsra » Sun, 11 Aug 2019, 20:23

Two more clubs withdrew from Brazilian Super 16, both from Rio: Niterói and Guanabara. This means no Rio de Janeiro clubs are left in Brazilian top flight.

With this, Super 16 will be Super 13. TBC, the competition will start on September 7th, with 2 groups: a São Paulo group with 7 clubs (Jacareí, São José, Poli, Pasteur, SPAC, Band Saracens and Tornados Indaiatuba) and a Southern Group with 6 clubs (Curitiba, Pé Vermelho, Desterro, Farrapos, Charrua and Serra Gaúcha).

Brazilian 2nd division, Taça Tupi, will have only 4 clubs, but I don't know yet who is confirmed. Probably Joaca, Rio Branco, BH and .... someone else. Maybe Lobo Bravo. Or São Paulo 2nd division clubs Engenharia Mackenzie or Tucanos. BTW, it is confirmed 2019 is the last year of Taça Tupi. Next year we'll only have one national competitions, with clubs qualifying from state championship (which I've been defending for sooooooooooooooooooooooooooo long time).
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Re: Rugby in Brazil

Postby victorsra » Wed, 14 Aug 2019, 13:18

More news:

2020 Brazilian Championship will run together with state championships from March to October. This means stronger clubs will alternate weekends playing national and state championship (which is good to manage their squads, as few of the stronger clubs don't have more than one XV playing competitions), while smallere clubs will have like one match every 21-30 days in their state championship. This formula is particularly good for Brazilian clubs reality. Smaller clubs struggle to keep members engaged when there are no competitions, specially because Brazilian clubs don't own anything (fields, pubs, nothing).
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Re: Rugby in Brazil

Postby Armchair Fan » Wed, 14 Aug 2019, 13:53

And how does that combine with SLAR and ARC? Will players be able to switch from one to the other, will there be permit players like in Pro 14?

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Re: Rugby in Brazil

Postby victorsra » Wed, 14 Aug 2019, 14:20

SLAR will be in the first semestre. This means clubs will only have their top players in the final rounds of both national and state championships (August to October, TBC).

It's being proposed that SLAR players (including foreigners) will be drafted to national top division clubs, but nothing is confirmed. Two things are real: the national top division won't have 16 clubs anymor (iIt will be either 12, 10 or 8) and the national 2nd division will be cancelled for 2020 (either it will be only a playoff between clubs qualified from state competitions or top division places will be determined by state champioships, TBC).
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Re: Rugby in Brazil

Postby Armchair Fan » Sat, 24 Aug 2019, 11:59

Brazil-Barbarians on November 20:
https://twitter.com/Argentina_2027/stat ... 9258541062

Congrats, although I imagine it will be a challenge to promote a midweek game like this one.

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Re: Rugby in Brazil

Postby victorsra » Sat, 24 Aug 2019, 13:50

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Re: Rugby in Brazil

Postby victorsra » Fri, 30 Aug 2019, 13:49

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It is the kickoff of the Brazilian Championship "Super 13".

Poli vs SPAC, in São Paulo
São José vs Pasteur, in São José dos Campos
Jacareí vs Tornados, in Jacareí.

All Group A matches.

Full table on: http://www.portaldorugby.com.br/tabelas ... rasileiros

Group B starts on September 7th.

Meanwhile, Taça Tupi (2nd division) will have only 3 clubs: Joaca, BH and Rio Branco.

So you ask: why they haven't promoted those 3 clubs to have a proper Super 16? Reason: those 3 clubs can't deal with top division costs and don't want to be smashed by top clubs.
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Re: Rugby in Brazil

Postby victorsra » Fri, 30 Aug 2019, 14:38

São José vs Pasteur was 2019 São Paulo Championship final. It will be live on https://www.facebook.com/SaoJoseRugbyClube SATURDAY 3PM local time, 7 PM London time.
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Re: Rugby in Brazil

Postby YamahaKiwi » Sun, 01 Sep 2019, 06:21

victorsra wrote:Wednesday

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Will the CBRu actually roll up their sleeves and promote it is the next question.

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Re: Rugby in Brazil

Postby thatrugbyguy » Tue, 03 Sep 2019, 08:27

Good game for Brazil to get. As much as I think the Barbarians as a concept has little value against T1 nations, it's good for T2 and T3 nations that the team exists. I'd like to see them and the NZ Maori helping develop nations like Brazil more regularly.

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Re: Rugby in Brazil

Postby victorsra » Wed, 04 Sep 2019, 02:27

Brazilian Super 13 kickoff results, standings and next weekend's fixtures: http://www.portaldorugby.com.br/tabelas ... rasileiros

Round 1:
Poli 59 X 05 SPAC
São José 35 X 15 Pasteur
Jacareí 71 X 20 Tornados

And it was confirmed Taça Tupi (national 2nd division) will have only 3 clubs: Joaca, BH and Rio Branco.

In 2020, Super 13 will be reduced to Super 12, with two regional groups of 6 clubs, one with South clubs (Rio Grande do Sul, Santa Catarina and Parana states) and one with Southeast clubs (São Paulo, Rio de Janeiro and Minas Gerais states).

This means, Group A's 7th placed club will be relegated. And Taça Tupi's champions will face a relegation/promotion repechage against the 6th placed team of its regional group. If Joaca is the champions, they will face Group B (South) 6th club. If BH or Rio Branco are the champions, the repechage is against Group A (Southeast) 6th.
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Re: Rugby in Brazil

Postby victorsra » Wed, 04 Sep 2019, 21:22

victorsra wrote:Brazilian Super 13 kickoff results, standings and next weekend's fixtures: http://www.portaldorugby.com.br/tabelas ... rasileiros

Round 1:
Poli 59 X 05 SPAC
São José 35 X 15 Pasteur
Jacareí 71 X 20 Tornados

And it was confirmed Taça Tupi (national 2nd division) will have only 3 clubs: Joaca, BH and Rio Branco.

In 2020, Super 13 will be reduced to Super 12, with two regional groups of 6 clubs, one with South clubs (Rio Grande do Sul, Santa Catarina and Parana states) and one with Southeast clubs (São Paulo, Rio de Janeiro and Minas Gerais states).

This means, Group A's 7th placed club will be relegated. And Taça Tupi's champions will face a relegation/promotion repechage against the 6th placed team of its regional group. If Joaca is the champions, they will face Group B (South) 6th club. If BH or Rio Branco are the champions, the repechage is against Group A (Southeast) 6th.


Side note: first time in more than 20 years Rio de Janeiro has no clubs playing the national championship (at least the 2nd division). Only 3 years after the Olympics...

BTW, this is the Olympic rugby field today, the "legacy" of Rio 2016 for rugby:

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https://globoesporte.globo.com/rugbi/no ... meio.ghtml

(the Deodoro stadium was non-permanent as it was built in a military area, it was demolished... what we call "Olympic rugby field" is the one built for trainings in the Federal University of Rio de Janeiro, planned to be Rio's first rugby-only field)
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Re: Rugby in Brazil

Postby RugbyLiebe » Thu, 05 Sep 2019, 06:53

That's really tragic. What I don't get is, when it is known, that there is a lot of theft, why they don't build "gated sport complexes"?
How to grow rugby worldwide?
Look at the world ranking in July. Teams ranked 1-10 have to play one team from 11-20 (they don't play in a regular competition) away the next year. 11-20 play 21-30 away and so on. Yes, it really is that simple.

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Re: Rugby in Brazil

Postby NaBUru38 » Fri, 06 Sep 2019, 17:17

Somebody has to pay for the gatekeepers...

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Re: Rugby in Brazil

Postby victorsra » Fri, 06 Sep 2019, 21:18

RugbyLiebe wrote:That's really tragic. What I don't get is, when it is known, that there is a lot of theft, why they don't build "gated sport complexes"?


NaBUru38 wrote:Somebody has to pay for the gatekeepers...


Basically this. The complex was built without any plan about how it would operate in the future. It was built inside UFRJ - Rio de Janeiro Federal University (because it is a public, therefore if was a easier solution for Rio 2016 organizers, as free spaces in Rio are rare), which meant it would be possible to use the university security. But Brazilian federal universities are bankrupt and their crisis only got worse in 2016 and now it is in a bizarre situation, with some having no money to pay the water bill. Rio de Janeiro Rugby Union is amateur and has no money to be fully responsible for the field and CBRu doesn't care.
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Re: Rugby in Brazil

Postby jservuk » Sat, 07 Sep 2019, 07:54

Sad to see that ground in such ruins. Another reason why they should have played the 7s at an established football stadium.

This saga suggests to me that simply staging any sport in the Olympics does nothing to grow that sport, unless either an existing fanbase, or large amounts of money to promote the sport are present.

The good thing about recent years, especially since 2004 is that the whole legacy idea with sports events is debunked.Ordinary people knew this anyway; the cheerleaders (we had this in London 2012 here in UK), politicians, IOC, corporations lied. But no one listens or cares when it comes to such big things.

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Re: Rugby in Brazil

Postby victorsra » Sat, 07 Sep 2019, 13:12

Another reason why they should have played the 7s at an established football stadium.

This is not the stadium that hosted the Olympics. The stadium was demolished right after the Olympics, it wasn't permanent and was built in an Army area. This is the training ground, built as the legacy for local rugby.
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Re: Rugby in Brazil

Postby victorsra » Sat, 07 Sep 2019, 21:35

Super 13:

SPAC 15 X 48 Jacareí
Band Saracens 07 X 99 Pasteur
São José 25 X 26 Poli
Farrapos 17 X 05 Charrua
Curitiba 74 X 05 Pé Vermelho
Desterro 18 X 13 Serra Gaúcha

Standings and more results from Brazilian club rugby: http://www.portaldorugby.com.br/noticia ... ndes-jogos
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Re: Rugby in Brazil

Postby victorsra » Thu, 12 Sep 2019, 20:14

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