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Re: Rugby in Oceania

Postby Armchair Fan » Fri, 23 Aug 2019, 21:18

Unfortunately Monaco focuses on 7s. They've even been invited to LNR inaugural Sevens tournament.

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Re: Rugby in Oceania

Postby dwpeate » Sat, 24 Aug 2019, 07:26

World Rugby and Oceania Rugby both publish the PNG-NAU result as 89-7 now

I've also seen the score for Tonga and Western Force reported as both 19-15 and 19-17.

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Re: Rugby in Oceania

Postby Ser Podrick of Payne » Sat, 24 Aug 2019, 08:08

I was watching and thought the Nauru conversion missed, but the ref must have seen the flags go up...

Myerr Temaki has been given the plaudit of Nauru's first international points scorer.

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Re: Rugby in Oceania

Postby Edgar » Sat, 24 Aug 2019, 09:58

victorsra wrote:Oh, Niue's match broke their absense from test match since Oceania Cup 2011.

I believe this was the third longest hiatus of a ranked nation, after Monaco and Cameroon. Am I right?

Now, Vanuatu is since December 2011 (same Oceania Cup) and Cameroon is since June 2011 (Africa Cu) without a test and Monaco is the champions, no tests since 2009.


I thought Wallis & Futuna since 1971 held the record. They played at the 1966 & 1971 Pacific Games, winning just one of their 7 games - 3-0 against Tahiti in the latter year.

Myerr Temaki has been given the plaudit of Nauru's first international points scorer.


Yes, as mentioned earlier, the commentators attributed it to 23 Otto Adam but the Nauru fb page is crediting 22 Myah Temaki.

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Re: Rugby in Oceania

Postby victorsra » Sat, 24 Aug 2019, 13:53

Edgar wrote:
victorsra wrote:Oh, Niue's match broke their absense from test match since Oceania Cup 2011.

I believe this was the third longest hiatus of a ranked nation, after Monaco and Cameroon. Am I right?

Now, Vanuatu is since December 2011 (same Oceania Cup) and Cameroon is since June 2011 (Africa Cu) without a test and Monaco is the champions, no tests since 2009.


I thought Wallis & Futuna since 1971 held the record. They played at the 1966 & 1971 Pacific Games, winning just one of their 7 games - 3-0 against Tahiti in the latter year.

Myerr Temaki has been given the plaudit of Nauru's first international points scorer.


Yes, as mentioned earlier, the commentators attributed it to 23 Otto Adam but the Nauru fb page is crediting 22 Myah Temaki.

I said ranked teams. Wallis and Futuna is not ranked.
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Re: Rugby in Oceania

Postby 4N » Sun, 25 Aug 2019, 03:33

Good team try for Perpignan finished off by Cook Islands international Shahn Eru.

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Re: Rugby in Oceania

Postby dwpeate » Sun, 25 Aug 2019, 07:22

dwpeate wrote:World Rugby and Oceania Rugby both publish the PNG-NAU result as 89-7 now

I've also seen the score for Tonga and Western Force reported as both 19-15 and 19-17.


Score now 89-5 again

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Re: Rugby in Oceania

Postby 4N » Tue, 27 Aug 2019, 02:09

Niue team vs PNG. Kickoff in about 3.5 hours.

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Re: Rugby in Oceania

Postby Canalina » Tue, 27 Aug 2019, 06:47

Papua Guinea v Niue live now (10-3) https://www.facebook.com/oceaniarugbyun ... 471775588/

Previously Solomons defeated largely Nauru but I don't know the exact result

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Re: Rugby in Oceania

Postby Canalina » Tue, 27 Aug 2019, 07:35

Full time: Papua Guinea v Niue 29-10

PNG going to win the title, even if the last match with the Solomons will be not easy

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Re: Rugby in Oceania

Postby Edgar » Tue, 27 Aug 2019, 10:13

PNG beat Niue 29-10 and Solomons overwhelmed Nauru 61-7. Again the tournament debutants got a try, this time attributed to flanker Fulton Amran. Again I only caught the second half of the latter game, however. Highlights are on the Oceania Rugby fb page, where all matches are being screened live. In Saturday's final round PNG will take on the Solomons, and Niue play Nauru. Not sure if they are using bonus points, but if not the Solomons would need to win by about 25 points to take the title. Alternatively, if the Solomons won and Nauru concede a cricket score, Niue could take out the tournament. But I think it's safe to assume the hosts have this in the bag.

Here's the Post Courier's report on last weekend's action: https://postcourier.com.pg/png-pukpuks- ... test-niue/

& here's a video report on some of the issues facing Pacific Island players (doesn't offer much in the way of new insights, however): https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_cont ... 9CI15umv18

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Re: Rugby in Oceania

Postby thatrugbyguy » Tue, 27 Aug 2019, 10:21

Hopefully this competition continues next year. Just need to get the Cook Islands involved.

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Re: Rugby in Oceania

Postby getienne » Tue, 27 Aug 2019, 11:17

Niue team vs PNG. Kickoff in about 3.5 hours.

Hi 4N,
how did you manage to get this team sheet ?
Is it possible to get the match sheets of the previous matches ?
Informations are very sparse about the Ocenia Cup, particularly the scorers, and quite nothing in the Ocenia Rugby pages.
Thanks.

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Re: Rugby in Oceania

Postby 4N » Tue, 27 Aug 2019, 18:47

I don’t have any others getienne, just that.

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Re: Rugby in Oceania

Postby Canalina » Tue, 27 Aug 2019, 19:43

Do you know if this saturday's "Pasifika Challenge" (NZ Heartland v Samoa, Fiji v Tonga) will be shown on line somewhere?

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Re: Rugby in Oceania

Postby victorsra » Wed, 28 Aug 2019, 18:29

thatrugbyguy wrote:Hopefully this competition continues next year. Just need to get the Cook Islands involved.


It would be very interesting if the winner got a chance at the Pacific Challenge against Tonga A, Samoa A and Fiji Warriors. As it has also Junior Japan, they could involve another Asian side (like Korea or Malaysia) and it would be a nice development tournament. But WR needs to pay for that...
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Re: Rugby in Oceania

Postby 4N » Wed, 28 Aug 2019, 18:45

A few pages back I posted a “dream” Cook Islands XV. Apparently there are more Cook Islanders in NZ than Tongans. If you combine the populations in Australia, NZ and the Cook Islands you get over 100,000 people. So they have a good player pool. I’d like to see them given a shot in a decent tournament with WR backing. I think they could be better than some of the teams going to the RWC this year.

1 AJ Campbell (Queensland Country, NRC)
2 Sam Anderson-Heather (Otago, Mitre 10 Cup)
3 Alex Woonton (Sunwolves, Super Rugby)
4 Shahn Eru (Perpignan, Pro D2)
5 Trevor Hosea (Rebels, Super Rugby)
6 Teariki Ben-Nicholas (Wellington, Mitre 10 Cup)
7 Steven Setephano (Grenoble, Pro D2)
8 Tyrone Viiga (Beziers, Pro D2)
9 Liam Daniela (Counties Manukau, Mitre 10 Cup)
10 Jack Debreczeni (Chiefs, Super Rugby)
11 Connor Garden-Bachop (Wellington, Mitre 10 Cup)
12 Tepai Moeroa (Waratahs, Super Rugby)
13 Tim Bateman (Crusaders, Super Rugby)
14 Chance Peni (Brumbies, Super Rugby)
15 Jackson Garden-Bachop (Hurricanes, Super Rugby)

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Re: Rugby in Oceania

Postby Canalina » Wed, 28 Aug 2019, 19:44

20,000 in homeland and 100,000 expatriated: it seems not the description of a Paradise Island

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Re: Rugby in Oceania

Postby victorsra » Wed, 28 Aug 2019, 19:56

BTW, Cook Islands want to change their name: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-47468181
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Re: Rugby in Oceania

Postby nick511 » Thu, 29 Aug 2019, 04:46

Canalina wrote:Do you know if this saturday's "Pasifika Challenge" (NZ Heartland v Samoa, Fiji v Tonga) will be shown on line somewhere?


I know its been shown live on Sky NZ here in NZ. But for overseas coverage I'm not sure. The usual places might not have it as I noticed its not being shown by Rugbypass (now owned by Sky NZ) or SKY UK. A quick look of the usual pacific channels turned up nothing too. You might have to keep a look out on the usual sites at kickoff and the Island nations social media.

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Re: Rugby in Oceania

Postby nick511 » Thu, 29 Aug 2019, 05:00

victorsra wrote:BTW, Cook Islands want to change their name: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-47468181


Generally here in NZ we refer to the whole place as Rarotonga or just "Raro", even though that's just the biggest Island of the group. Returning names to their Maori origin or a new Maori name is common in NZ and the pacific or the world (like Swaziland to Eswatini) with the native languages if you look back at the name changes that have taken place there. I'd fully expect New Caledonia to change names too if it votes to leave France in yet another referendum next year.

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Re: Rugby in Oceania

Postby Canalina » Thu, 29 Aug 2019, 05:24

On a first glance I'd say that it's totally right and wise to re-give the islands a maori name; but then you could think that the history is a series of conquers and that the current status of every country is the result of that series of conquers; and that the British Empire just conquered those islands like other people did before. I don't want to say a silly thing but I think to remember that also the maoris are supposed to be originar from South America, while the melanesians originar from Asia. Somehow they were "conquistadores" too. As probably there were wars between various islands or various families or between maoris and melanesians to take the control of the various Pacific islands, so there was a conquer by the British Empire and therefore the name of Cook shouldn't be so out of logic. According to the italian version of wikipedia when the first western ship arrived to Rarotonga, part of the sailors was killed and the wife of the captain eaten... this suggests it was not an easy conquer of pacific islanders.
Maybe a disturbing thing is the fact that the name Cook seems suggesting that the islands were discovered by him, while they weren't discovered: they were already there, with their long-time population

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Re: Rugby in Oceania

Postby nick511 » Thu, 29 Aug 2019, 05:43

Canalina wrote: I don't want to say a silly thing but I think to remember that also the maoris are supposed to be originar from South America,


I don't want to get too far off topic on historical matters, but what I will say that the Maori originated from Taiwan and SE asia and emerged from a later group of people that came through PNG into far Oceania around 4000 years ago before present, that became the Polynesians (different from the original Melanesians who'd been there for more than 40,000 years), and they explored all the pacific islands and all the way to South America and brought back things to Oceania. The group that eventually became the NZ Maori migrated from several island groups including the Cook lslands 700- 800 years ago.

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Re: Rugby in Oceania

Postby getienne » Thu, 29 Aug 2019, 11:54

Oceania Cup : full results on line !
http://www.oceaniarugby.com/common/page ... yid=66726&

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Re: Rugby in Oceania

Postby Canalina » Thu, 29 Aug 2019, 12:16

getienne wrote:Oceania Cup : full results on line !
http://www.oceaniarugby.com/common/page ... yid=66726&

Niue's wing Tonga Tongotongo is my new hero :)

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