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Re: 7s Challenger Series

Unread postby victorsra » Sun, 16 Feb 2020, 17:18

It is sa the Brazilian Rugby Union gives a crap do sevens. But in 2020 the reason is SLAR, so...
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Re: 7s Challenger Series

Unread postby Edgar » Sun, 16 Feb 2020, 17:46

Fascinating tournament! Japan and Chile should be favorites for the final, while Hong Kong is also in the hunt and Germany shape up as the dark horses. Italy seems to have recovered from that early setback against Uganda too and could make a run for the final. The African pair have performed well enough, Jamaica is a team of the future, and PNG and Uruguay have certainly not disgraced themselves, but Brazil, Colombia, Paraguay and Mexico all appeared out of their depth. I suppose they will play it somewhere else next time. Africa or Asia would be great, to get some more of their emerging teams involved. Korea would have been more interesting here than Japan and Hong Kong, for example.

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Re: 7s Challenger Series

Unread postby RugbyLiebe » Sun, 16 Feb 2020, 18:16

If you call the reigning European champions and two-time finalists of the last three HK-qualifiers a dark horse, you have no clue about rugby 7s.

Wording aside, one of those three teams (Japan, Chile, Germany) will definitely win it.

Edit: Japan and Germany will meet in the semis. 22:25 German time
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Re: 7s Challenger Series

Unread postby 4N » Sun, 16 Feb 2020, 19:27

RugbyLiebe wrote:Japan and Germany will meet in the semis. 22:25 German time


Chile vs HK in the other one.

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Re: 7s Challenger Series

Unread postby Thomas » Sun, 16 Feb 2020, 19:43

Overtime!

Paraguay came back. wow

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Re: 7s Challenger Series

Unread postby Thomas » Sun, 16 Feb 2020, 21:47

What a game by Germany, love their defensive structure and counter attack

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Re: 7s Challenger Series

Unread postby germanbullsfan » Sun, 16 Feb 2020, 21:49

Much more matured from the Germans than the last time , hold there composure and didnt panic! Well done

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Re: 7s Challenger Series

Unread postby RugbyLiebe » Sun, 16 Feb 2020, 21:52

germanbullsfan wrote:Much more matured from the Germans than the last time , hold there composure and didnt panic! Well done


A lot smarter, too. First half no ball at all due to Line-Out not working? Well then lets take the scrum on the midway-line. Great team effort. Very proud of them.
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Re: 7s Challenger Series

Unread postby Thomas » Sun, 16 Feb 2020, 21:55

Congrats, that was a good game to watch.

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Re: 7s Challenger Series

Unread postby victorsra » Mon, 17 Feb 2020, 00:37

Edgar wrote:Fascinating tournament! Japan and Chile should be favorites for the final, while Hong Kong is also in the hunt and Germany shape up as the dark horses. Italy seems to have recovered from that early setback against Uganda too and could make a run for the final. The African pair have performed well enough, Jamaica is a team of the future, and PNG and Uruguay have certainly not disgraced themselves, but Brazil, Colombia, Paraguay and Mexico all appeared out of their depth. I suppose they will play it somewhere else next time. Africa or Asia would be great, to get some more of their emerging teams involved. Korea would have been more interesting here than Japan and Hong Kong, for example.



Just to make it clear: Brazil is NOT an invited team. Brazil and Chile qualified from South America, we beat Uruguay last year. But WR made Uruguay a core team as they are the hosts of the 2nd round. Someone edited it wrongly in the Wikipedia and people started to assume it. The qualifier wasn't the 2019 Sudamerica Rugby Series, it was the 2019 South American Olympic Qualy, that doubled as the qualy for the Challenger. We used a pretty strong squad and beat Uruguay and Chile in Santiago.

And we were horrible today, very sad... too young squad and sevens is clearly not the focus here.

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Re: 7s Challenger Series

Unread postby Raven » Mon, 17 Feb 2020, 01:05

Fantastic scenes with Germany winning the first Tournament. Japan looked amazingly drilled, I can´t say I´ve seen much of Hong Kong, but probably will do in these Challenge Series....

Shame only one team gets promoted, there´s some quality rugby going on

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Re: 7s Challenger Series

Unread postby Canalina » Mon, 17 Feb 2020, 02:24

What happened during Italy v Uruguay? One yellow card and one red card in the first two minutes, inflicted to italian players
I haven't seen the match and the replay is not available

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Re: 7s Challenger Series

Unread postby Pichulonko » Mon, 17 Feb 2020, 02:49

I believe these are the teams' placements and standings after the first leg:

Germany 22 pts
Hong Kong 19 pts
Japan 17 pts
Chile 15 pts
Tonga 13 pts
Zimbabwe 12 pts
Uganda 10 pts
Papua New Guinea 10 pts
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Uruguay 8 pts
Jamaica 7 pts
Italy 5 pts
Portugal 5 pts
Colombia 3 pts
Paraguay 2 pts
Mexico 1 pt
Brazil 1 pt

Therefore the groups for Montevideo should look like this:

Group A
Germany
Papua New Guinea
Uruguay
Brazil

Group B
Hong Kong
Uganda
Jamaica
Mexico

Group C
Japan
Zimbabwe
Italy
Paraguay

Group D
Chile
Tonga
Portugal
Colombia
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Re: 7s Challenger Series

Unread postby Pichulonko » Mon, 17 Feb 2020, 02:52

Canalina wrote:What happened during Italy v Uruguay? One yellow card and one red card in the first two minutes, inflicted to italian players
I haven't seen the match and the replay is not available


Yellow: Deliberate knock-on

Red: Italian player punched Uruguayan in the face

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Re: 7s Challenger Series

Unread postby Canalina » Mon, 17 Feb 2020, 03:07

Thanks
D'Onofrio is usually a kind player, strange he punched an opponent

According to italian federation website, our team finished 11th "thanks to a points difference better than Portugal"
So, if this is true, Portugal is 12th and also the other ex aequo should have been solved by points difference

Unfortunately the match sheets of Vina del Mar are not available on World Rugby. An other little "bug" of that website
https://www.world.rugby/results

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Re: 7s Challenger Series

Unread postby Canalina » Mon, 17 Feb 2020, 03:17

According to wikipedia the ranking is

1 Germany 22
2 Hong Kong 19
3 Japan 17
4 Chile 15
5 Tonga 13
6 Zimbabwe 12
7 Uganda 11
8 Papua New Guinea 10
9 Uruguay 8
10 Jamaica 7
11 Italy 6
12 Portugal 5
13 Colombia (4)
14 Paraguay (3)
15 Mexico (2)
16 Brazil 1

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Re: 7s Challenger Series

Unread postby Pichulonko » Mon, 17 Feb 2020, 03:22

I don't trust Wikipedia

I ranked them as WR Seven does

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Re: 7s Challenger Series

Unread postby Canalina » Mon, 17 Feb 2020, 04:08

I watched Uruguay v Italy now (all the tournament's video is still available on facebook) and the D'Onofrio's punch seems more a light hit with the palm of the hand than a hit with the fist. Maybe the red card was anyway deserved, by a strict read of the rules, but the most deprecable thing to me was the uruguaian player's pose, he acted like someone hit him with an iron bar...
Not good the D'Onofrio behavior after the red card, also: he kept lamenting and vaguely menacing the side referee.
All in all it seemed more a football episode than a rugby one

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Re: 7s Challenger Series

Unread postby Pichulonko » Mon, 17 Feb 2020, 06:19

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Re: 7s Challenger Series

Unread postby RugbyLiebe » Mon, 17 Feb 2020, 07:26

Pichulonko wrote:Therefore the groups for Montevideo should look like this:

Group A
Germany
Papua New Guinea
Uruguay
Brazil

Group B
Hong Kong
Uganda
Jamaica
Mexico

Group C
Japan
Zimbabwe
Italy
Paraguay

Group D
Chile
Tonga
Portugal
Colombia


Strange way of seeding. Basically makes sure, that the group of the winner ist the strongest group, with the best 3rd tier in there. Too tired, after staying up to watch the great win, to think about another one :D
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Re: 7s Challenger Series

Unread postby Pichulonko » Mon, 17 Feb 2020, 07:35

It's called Snake Seeding and I believe is what WR has used in the past to group the second leg when the tournament was called Sevens Sudamericano.

Group A has seeds 1, 8, 9 and 16. In theory the easiest of the draw.

Anyhow for all I know they could just hold brand new draw using the seeding from Viña.

Pot 1
Germany
Hong Kong
Japan
Chile

Pot 2
Tonga
Zimbabwe
Uganda
Papua New Guinea

Pot 3
Uruguay
Jamaica
Italy
Portugal

Pot 4
Colombia
Paraguay
Mexico
Brazil

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Re: 7s Challenger Series

Unread postby RugbyLiebe » Mon, 17 Feb 2020, 08:00

Pichulonko wrote:Group A has seeds 1, 8, 9 and 16. In theory the easiest of the draw.


I would say in theory the toughest draw as it is all about reaching the first two spots. If you got the best team who nearly missed the top two, that's the toughest group in my opinion.
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Re: 7s Challenger Series

Unread postby Chester-Donnelly » Mon, 17 Feb 2020, 08:57

Papua New Guinea look like they have more to give. No doubt they will be working on their rucking before Montevideo.

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Re: 7s Challenger Series

Unread postby Canalina » Mon, 17 Feb 2020, 10:26

According to an Uganda's tweet

"POOLS FOR URUGUAY

Dates: 22-23rd Feb 2020

We are in Pool B:

Hong Kong
#Uganda
Jamaica
Brazil "

So the first pools hypothesis here above seems the correct one, just with Brazil and Mexico switched (evidently Brazil was classified 15th and Mexico 16th)
It's "curious" that I can't find an official complete ranking on WR various sites

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Re: 7s Challenger Series

Unread postby victorsra » Mon, 17 Feb 2020, 12:29

Canalina wrote:According to an Uganda's tweet

"POOLS FOR URUGUAY

Dates: 22-23rd Feb 2020

We are in Pool B:

Hong Kong
#Uganda
Jamaica
Brazil "

So the first pools hypothesis here above seems the correct one, just with Brazil and Mexico switched (evidently Brazil was classified 15th and Mexico 16th)
It's "curious" that I can't find an official complete ranking on WR various sites

How can we be 15th if Mexico beat us?
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