Tier 2 & 3 Rugby Forum

Superliga Americana de Rugby (SLAR)

User avatar
Posts: 869
Joined: Fri, 19 Feb 2016, 22:49
Location: Córdoba
National Flag:
ArgentinaArgentina

Re: Superliga Americana de Rugby (SLAR)

Unread postby argie » Tue, 24 Mar 2020, 14:48

Interview to Sebastián Piñeyrúa about SLAR.
https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/pi ... 2032018180

Some points of interest:
- The franchises spent the 50% or some more from their US$ 1M budget.
- Specially in hotels reservations and airline tickets for the whole season.
- They are looking to traslate those costs over to the next season.
- Each Union has a 50% participation in the franchises, the rest belongs to private investors.

- All foreign players have returned to their homes. https://twitter.com/SLARugby/status/1242199677799407617

Posts: 6915
Joined: Thu, 17 Apr 2014, 02:51
Location: São Paulo
National Flag:
BrazilBrazil

Re: Superliga Americana de Rugby (SLAR)

Unread postby victorsra » Thu, 26 Mar 2020, 14:39

from things I heard here, it seems it is unlikely that Brazil (and Corinthians) will be back to SLAR in 2021. Many things can change, nothing official, only talks and speculations. But this is a very possible scenario.
Brazilian Rugby News: www.portaldorugby.com.br

User avatar
Posts: 76
Joined: Wed, 11 Dec 2019, 20:14
National Flag:
ChileChile

Re: Superliga Americana de Rugby (SLAR)

Unread postby Pichulonko » Fri, 27 Mar 2020, 23:15

You'll be hearing different things in a few months

Give it time

Posts: 6915
Joined: Thu, 17 Apr 2014, 02:51
Location: São Paulo
National Flag:
BrazilBrazil

Re: Superliga Americana de Rugby (SLAR)

Unread postby victorsra » Fri, 27 Mar 2020, 23:44

it is not a consequence of the covid-19...
Brazilian Rugby News: www.portaldorugby.com.br

User avatar
Posts: 76
Joined: Wed, 11 Dec 2019, 20:14
National Flag:
ChileChile

Re: Superliga Americana de Rugby (SLAR)

Unread postby Pichulonko » Sun, 29 Mar 2020, 04:25

Having a South American rugby competition was Brazil's idea to begin with and without them it simply will not work

Please elaborate a bit more on what's going on in CBRu

Posts: 6915
Joined: Thu, 17 Apr 2014, 02:51
Location: São Paulo
National Flag:
BrazilBrazil

Re: Superliga Americana de Rugby (SLAR)

Unread postby victorsra » Sun, 29 Mar 2020, 14:36

It was more Uruguay's, but yes, Brazil was in the front in the early stages of it, before losing leadership with its own problems. I've been talking about CBRu $ problems and about how Brazilian rugby hasn't grown below the national team for a very long time. But basicaly the idea of doing a bigger step came from the current CBRu president (Eduardo Mufarej) and the former CEO (Agustin Danza). During 2019 the project deteriorated as Danza was unable to sell it. In the end, Danza left and Mufarej decided to put his money in the franchise. He is the one backing it (there is zero Corinthians' money). The new CEO is not finding a better solution and Mufarej will leave at the end of 2020. CBRu is in growing debt as well and this means if they fail again to sell the franchise for a private investor they won't have the money to be in SLAR.
Brazilian Rugby News: www.portaldorugby.com.br

Posts: 678
Joined: Thu, 12 Dec 2019, 21:26
National Flag:
EnglandEngland

Re: Superliga Americana de Rugby (SLAR)

Unread postby Chester-Donnelly » Sun, 29 Mar 2020, 15:28

victorsra wrote:It was more Uruguay's, but yes, Brazil was in the front in the early stages of it, before losing leadership with its own problems. I've been talking about CBRu $ problems and about how Brazilian rugby hasn't grown below the national team for a very long time. But basicaly the idea of doing a bigger step came from the current CBRu president (Eduardo Mufarej) and the former CEO (Agustin Danza). During 2019 the project deteriorated as Danza was unable to sell it. In the end, Danza left and Mufarej decided to put his money in the franchise. He is the one backing it (there is zero Corinthians' money). The new CEO is not finding a better solution and Mufarej will leave at the end of 2020. CBRu is in growing debt as well and this means if they fail again to sell the franchise for a private investor they won't have the money to be in SLAR.


If I was a Brazilian billionaire, I would invest. But on one condition; there has to be capybaras.

User avatar
Posts: 76
Joined: Wed, 11 Dec 2019, 20:14
National Flag:
ChileChile

Re: Superliga Americana de Rugby (SLAR)

Unread postby Pichulonko » Mon, 30 Mar 2020, 04:53

SLAR needs a lucrative TV deal, simple as that.

Posts: 6915
Joined: Thu, 17 Apr 2014, 02:51
Location: São Paulo
National Flag:
BrazilBrazil

Re: Superliga Americana de Rugby (SLAR)

Unread postby victorsra » Mon, 30 Mar 2020, 06:01

SLAR started with no TV at all in Brazil...
Brazilian Rugby News: www.portaldorugby.com.br

User avatar
Posts: 76
Joined: Wed, 11 Dec 2019, 20:14
National Flag:
ChileChile

Re: Superliga Americana de Rugby (SLAR)

Unread postby Pichulonko » Mon, 30 Mar 2020, 18:03

There´s no ESPN in Brazil?

Posts: 6915
Joined: Thu, 17 Apr 2014, 02:51
Location: São Paulo
National Flag:
BrazilBrazil

Re: Superliga Americana de Rugby (SLAR)

Unread postby victorsra » Mon, 30 Mar 2020, 18:53

There is, but we have ESPN Brasil, not ESPN Sur (ESPN "Sur" = the ESPN channels you have in Argentina, Chile, Uruguay, Paraguay, Bolivia). They are completely different. ESPN Brasil has its own 4 channels and is 100% in Portuguese with its own programs and broadcast rights. They are independent from each other. There is no ESPN Sur programs or broadcasts in ESPN Brasil (on TV).

Some Argentine or North American content is shown (in Spanish or English) only on Watch ESPN (the online streaming plataform), but only when ESPN Brasil has the rights of that event and doesn't have interest in producing it in Portuguese because there isn't audience enough (that happens with many rugby matches).

SLAR (in fact Sudamerica Rugby) did the huge mistake of signing SLAR broadcast rights with ESPN Sur and simply forgot (and "forget" is the right term) to sign with ESPN Brasil. SLAR anounced in their social media SLAR would be available on ESPN in Brasil but it wasn't true. When I asked, they simply thought Brazilians had access to ESPN Sur. And that's not the first time they do that mistake.
Brazilian Rugby News: www.portaldorugby.com.br

Posts: 36
Joined: Fri, 29 Nov 2019, 13:20
National Flag:
BrazilBrazil

Re: Superliga Americana de Rugby (SLAR)

Unread postby Pedro1 » Tue, 31 Mar 2020, 10:37

At these moments we realise how amateur rugby still is. Could you imagine any other professional sports organization making a mistake like that?

Posts: 646
Joined: Fri, 15 Aug 2014, 13:57

Re: Superliga Americana de Rugby (SLAR)

Unread postby Raven » Tue, 31 Mar 2020, 12:02

I don´t see Brazil missing out on the SLAR "Season 2". Rugby has decided to go towards one direction in South America, and Brazil has to aim towards it. They might have to use funds they didn´t expect to use on that, they probably will ask for Sudamerica Rugby or WR even to help them out somehow, they will again not hire any overseas players to keep costs down and focus on a Nat Team High Performance, but a SLAR without Brazil is just not possible.

What´s now a stronger rumour is that Nacional will not aim for 2021 and might postpone to "further notice" their participation. But I guess this is the COVID-19 effect and the uncertainty of everything. I haven´t read anything on Cafeteros preparation, or lack of, so can´t say if they were aiming to be competitive in the Showcase series of this season, or were just going to focus on having a good side on the next, nor can I venture to think what´s going through their heads now.

Posts: 6915
Joined: Thu, 17 Apr 2014, 02:51
Location: São Paulo
National Flag:
BrazilBrazil

Re: Superliga Americana de Rugby (SLAR)

Unread postby victorsra » Tue, 31 Mar 2020, 14:00

Funds they dont expect to use? They are already using them.
Brazilian Rugby News: www.portaldorugby.com.br

Posts: 28
Joined: Tue, 04 Feb 2020, 17:22
National Flag:
FranceFrance

Re: Superliga Americana de Rugby (SLAR)

Unread postby theDarky » Fri, 03 Apr 2020, 09:03

Especially the funds will be reduced considerably after the covid-19 crisis.

WR will try to save the T1 Unions first and IOC will try to save its summer games in tokyo.

Countries and provinces/region could not explain they want to save the sport before the health system even we talk about Bolsonaro's country.

Posts: 6915
Joined: Thu, 17 Apr 2014, 02:51
Location: São Paulo
National Flag:
BrazilBrazil

Re: Superliga Americana de Rugby (SLAR)

Unread postby victorsra » Fri, 03 Apr 2020, 13:46

Yes, this is a good point. Brazilian Rugby Union relies on funds with public origin and on a law that allows companies to put 1% of their taxes on a sports organization (and this depends on the profit).
Brazilian Rugby News: www.portaldorugby.com.br

Posts: 4258
Joined: Tue, 06 Oct 2015, 22:54
National Flag:
SpainSpain

Re: Superliga Americana de Rugby (SLAR)

Unread postby Armchair Fan » Thu, 09 Apr 2020, 21:24

Daniel Hourcade telling here that in World Rugby meetings it was discussed to introduce Spain and Portugal to SLAR (while Russia and Romania would follow Georgia to Currie Cup) with South American sides touring Europe for two weeks and that Mexico wants to enter after MLR closed their doors to them:
https://www.espn.com.ar/video/clip/_/id/6835309

Anyway let's see the financial state of unions and SLAR post-COVID. On our side I suspect this would be more welcome by FER opposition. Its candidate mentioned SLAR yesterday and the bunch is well connected to Hourcade, so hardly a coincidence.

Posts: 6915
Joined: Thu, 17 Apr 2014, 02:51
Location: São Paulo
National Flag:
BrazilBrazil

Re: Superliga Americana de Rugby (SLAR)

Unread postby victorsra » Thu, 09 Apr 2020, 22:47

I don't believe this is in Portugal's plans...
Brazilian Rugby News: www.portaldorugby.com.br

Posts: 1709
Joined: Sun, 18 May 2014, 13:27
National Flag:
AustraliaAustralia

Re: Superliga Americana de Rugby (SLAR)

Unread postby Working Class Rugger » Fri, 10 Apr 2020, 01:06

Armchair Fan wrote:Daniel Hourcade telling here that in World Rugby meetings it was discussed to introduce Spain and Portugal to SLAR (while Russia and Romania would follow Georgia to Currie Cup) with South American sides touring Europe for two weeks and that Mexico wants to enter after MLR closed their doors to them:
https://www.espn.com.ar/video/clip/_/id/6835309

Anyway let's see the financial state of unions and SLAR post-COVID. On our side I suspect this would be more welcome by FER opposition. Its candidate mentioned SLAR yesterday and the bunch is well connected to Hourcade, so hardly a coincidence.


That would be an interesting concept. Forming something similar to the Celtic League of old. Would require significant WR funding in terms of travel and accommodation for it to work.

User avatar
Posts: 869
Joined: Fri, 19 Feb 2016, 22:49
Location: Córdoba
National Flag:
ArgentinaArgentina

Re: Superliga Americana de Rugby (SLAR)

Unread postby argie » Fri, 10 Apr 2020, 03:07

And so why not a Namibian franchise too?.

Posts: 1709
Joined: Sun, 18 May 2014, 13:27
National Flag:
AustraliaAustralia

Re: Superliga Americana de Rugby (SLAR)

Unread postby Working Class Rugger » Fri, 10 Apr 2020, 04:04

argie wrote:And so why not a Namibian franchise too?.


They have played in the Currie Cup in the past.

Posts: 19
Joined: Sun, 08 Mar 2020, 12:47
National Flag:
ScotlandScotland

Re: Superliga Americana de Rugby (SLAR)

Unread postby Duke of Earl » Fri, 10 Apr 2020, 05:10

Armchair Fan wrote:Daniel Hourcade telling here that in World Rugby meetings it was discussed to introduce Spain and Portugal to SLAR (while Russia and Romania would follow Georgia to Currie Cup) with South American sides touring Europe for two weeks and that Mexico wants to enter after MLR closed their doors to them:
https://www.espn.com.ar/video/clip/_/id/6835309

Anyway let's see the financial state of unions and SLAR post-COVID. On our side I suspect this would be more welcome by FER opposition. Its candidate mentioned SLAR yesterday and the bunch is well connected to Hourcade, so hardly a coincidence.



I might be looking at this over simplistically , but if there was finance for a Spanish and Portuguese team , why could they not play in the Pro 14 league ? Dont see the logic in playing in South America if there is a league open to accepting new teams.

Posts: 36
Joined: Fri, 29 Nov 2019, 13:20
National Flag:
BrazilBrazil

Re: Superliga Americana de Rugby (SLAR)

Unread postby Pedro1 » Fri, 10 Apr 2020, 06:22

This is all PR megalomania, like Laporte's world club rugby competition.

Super rugby is there to show how expensive it is to run such a competition. Not to mention the environmental costs of such an endeavour.

Posts: 4258
Joined: Tue, 06 Oct 2015, 22:54
National Flag:
SpainSpain

Re: Superliga Americana de Rugby (SLAR)

Unread postby Armchair Fan » Fri, 10 Apr 2020, 08:46

Duke of Earl wrote:
Armchair Fan wrote:Daniel Hourcade telling here that in World Rugby meetings it was discussed to introduce Spain and Portugal to SLAR (while Russia and Romania would follow Georgia to Currie Cup) with South American sides touring Europe for two weeks and that Mexico wants to enter after MLR closed their doors to them:
https://www.espn.com.ar/video/clip/_/id/6835309

Anyway let's see the financial state of unions and SLAR post-COVID. On our side I suspect this would be more welcome by FER opposition. Its candidate mentioned SLAR yesterday and the bunch is well connected to Hourcade, so hardly a coincidence.



I might be looking at this over simplistically , but if there was finance for a Spanish and Portuguese team , why could they not play in the Pro 14 league ? Dont see the logic in playing in South America if there is a league open to accepting new teams.

If we are to believe the numbers that are published, a Pro 14 team would cost four times what a SLAR franchise does. SLAR level is closer to what Spain and Portugal can today deliver with local players. And there is no guarantee that Pro 14 would welcome US, nor that they would do it for free (Italy paid a fee, South Africa brought TV money).

The idea is crazy but not crazier than others.

Posts: 19
Joined: Sun, 08 Mar 2020, 12:47
National Flag:
ScotlandScotland

Re: Superliga Americana de Rugby (SLAR)

Unread postby Duke of Earl » Fri, 10 Apr 2020, 09:01

One thing this current situation has highlighted is that clubs are being run on too high a budget , and one off the biggest costs is the spiralling player costs. Wage inflation in rugby is astronomical.

By allowing more countries and ultimately having more players within the professional rugby environment , you can significantly reduce the wage bills currently experienced by rugby clubs.

PRO14 will cover travel costs and you do not have to pay players the same as other unions. Yes it would be more than SLAR , but there would be more money coming from TV and higher opportunity to gain sponsirship revenue.

PreviousNext

Return to Rugby Forum

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Google [Bot], Google Adsense [Bot], zgs and 19 guests