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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby Canalina » Mon, 15 Oct 2018, 07:12

After Rovigo-Padova (34-34), Rovigo's coach Casellato was furious with his southafrican hooker Momberg, sinbinned for an un-needed foul when the squad was winning 31-27, few minutes before the end of the match.
"We are a group, not single players but this missed victory is a single player mistake and I can't accept it -he said more or less- If someone doesn't want to follow the rules of the group he just have to say, no problem; we will choice an other player more interested in the group"

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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby FLIDTA RISXVA » Mon, 15 Oct 2018, 08:32

Checked those two spots

https://www.epcrugby.com/champions-cup/matches/
https://www.epcrugby.com/challenge-cup/matches/

Well done -- one clicks on result and sees detailed game sheet

No similar joy for this one
https://www.epcrugby.com/continental-shield/matches/

EPCR staff just needed to add 2 more games to 20
they have already done -- but BIG NO :twisted:
they do not care for those low-tier BASTARDS :!:

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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby Silver Fox » Mon, 15 Oct 2018, 13:26

louizar wrote:Yes it is supposed to be the best players in Belgium.
However, the champion ( Dendermonde) who has a couple of decent KIWI's and some good belgian players is not going to send any players.
Some players also refused the selection because of the lack of organisation around the competition.

It will be interesting to see how the guys will play together as they have not trained together yet.


According to a contributer on this forum: http://www.sportkipik.be/la-buvette/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=20864 this Barbarians side originally was to be based on a core group of 20 players from champion side Dendermonde. In line with how Heidelberg did last season, this team was to be strengthened by players from other clubs. For the games and the preparations the facilities of Dendermonde were to be used. When Dendermonde asked to field up to 7 foreign players instead of the domestical limit of 5 however this was denied by the FBRB, the Belgian union. Since then talks have become deadlocked with ultimately Dendermonde withdrawing from the project.

I do not expect the Belgium Barbarians to do well but have to give them the benefit of doubt.
But to me it is another example of the tension between the ambitions of (semi-)professional clubs and amateur unions or, albeit more rare, ambitious unions and amateur clubs.
It appears to be very difficult to get them aligned. We have seen it in Germany, we know about the tensions in Spain and now this in Belgium.
To me it's among the biggest challenges in tier 2 countries.

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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby Armchair Fan » Mon, 15 Oct 2018, 15:07

Silver Fox wrote:When Dendermonde asked to field up to 7 foreign players instead of the domestical limit of 5 however this was denied by the FBRB, the Belgian union.

I don't know the requirements, but EPCR competitions have some kind of limits on non-EU players anyway. It was one of the long list of excuses given by Spanish teams, saying that meeting these rules was even harder in European games than domestic ones.

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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby Canalina » Tue, 16 Oct 2018, 19:59

Second day referees

Pataro Calvisano v Fiamme Oro at Pata Stadium, Calvisano, Italy
Referee: Sara Cox (England)

Belgium Barbarians XV v Argos Petrarca at Stade Nelson Mandela, Neder-Over-Heembeek, Belgium
Referee: Nika Amashukeli (Georgia)

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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby Canalina » Thu, 18 Oct 2018, 15:21

Live Calvisano v Fiamme Oro Roma (saturday, 15.00 CET) on http://www.therugbychannel.it
No live, it seems, for Belgium XV v Petrarca Padova (sat, 13.00 CET)

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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby Canalina » Fri, 19 Oct 2018, 07:51

Live stream for the Bruxelles' match too

https://www.facebook.com/rugbychannelwe ... 7156688718

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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby Canalina » Sat, 20 Oct 2018, 17:04

Belgium Barbarians v Petrarca Padova 12-31

Zero tries to four. Both the kickers had a 100%
Padova was clearly superior but the Barbarians showed a more than decent opposition, the bonus try was marked just at the last action. Considering they are freshly gathered, missing the Dendermonde players and with no strangers, I suppose they may be satisfied

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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby FLIDTA RISXVA » Sat, 20 Oct 2018, 17:08

HOW IS THIS ? Calvisano v Fiamme Oro

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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby Canalina » Sat, 20 Oct 2018, 17:18

Patarò Calvisano v Fiamme Oro Rugby 35-20

Marcatori: p.t. 4’ c.p. Ambrosini (0-3); 5’ m. Panceyra Garrido t. Lane (7-3); 13’ m. Bruno t. Lane (14-3); 21’ m. Van Zyl (19-3); 27’ c.p. Lane (22-3); 33’ m. Panceyra Garrido t. Lane (29-3) s.t. 41’ m.p. Fiamme Oro Rugby (29-10); 42’ c.p. Lane (32-10); 59’ m. D’Onofrio U. (32-15); 62’ c.p. Lane (35-15); 79’ m. Favaro (35-20)

Patarò Calvisano: Van Zyl; Bruno (56’ Balocchi); Panceyra Garrido; Pescetto; Susio; Lane (64’ De Santis); Casilio (31’ Semenzato); Vunisa; Zdrilich (41’ Archetti); Martani; Andreotti (cap.); Cavalieri (59’ Venditti); Biancotti (59’ Gavrilita); Manfredi (59’ Luccardi); Fischetti (71’ Morelli).
all. Brunello
Fiamme Oro Rugby: Biondelli; D’Onofrio G.; Gabbianelli (35’ Massaro); Forcucci; Bacchetti (67’ Nocera; 76' Gasparini); Ambrosini; Marinaro (72’ Masato); De Marchi; Cristiano (cap.); Bianchi (42’ Mc Carthy); Caffini; D’Onofrio U. (42’ Favaro); Nocera (56’ Iacob); Moriconi (41’ Kudin); Zago (72’ Iovenitti).
All. Guidi

arb.: Inigo Atorrasgati
AA1 Davis Castro AA2 Eki Fanio

Cartellini: 30’ giallo D’Onofrio U. (Fiamme Oro Rugby); 49’ giallo Vunisa (Rugby Calvisano); 65’ giallo Iacob (Fiamme Oro Rugby); 70’ giallo Susio (Rugby Calvisano)

Calciatori: Lane (Patarò Calvisano) 7/8; Ambrosini 2/3
Note: giornata calda, 24° circa, campo asciutto. Circa 500 spettatori.
Punti conquistati in classifica: Rugby Calvisano 5; Fiamme Oro 0
Man of the Match: Sam Lane (Rugby Calvisano)

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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby Armchair Fan » Sat, 20 Oct 2018, 17:31

Atorrasagasti keeps loving to show cards at European games.

(Iñigo Atorrasagasti, David Castro and Eki Fanlo)

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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby Tobar » Fri, 30 Nov 2018, 17:15

This topic has likely been discussed ad nauseam but what is the likelihood of ever having a legitimate Pro14-esque professional competition setup between countries in the Continental Shield? The Continental Shield is nice (in theory) but having a full time competition would just be dandy. Of course, costs would be exorbitant but making a regular competition between these teams rather than a 6 round tourney would be much better for the sport in the long run.

Countries involved could be the REC countries plus Italy (or some sort of variation). They don't necessarily have to be the actual clubs involved in the Continental Shield but they probably would end up being them anyway. Travel shouldn't be too difficult for teams from Belgium, Germany and Italy but the rest would complicate things.

For obvious reasons, I don't see it happening for a long time, if at all, but I like to dream about these things.

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Re: Continental Shield 2018/19

Postby Canalina » Fri, 30 Nov 2018, 19:30

Belgium Barbarians for the italian tour (vs Padova and Rovigo)

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Re: 2018-19 Continental Shield

Postby Canalina » Tue, 04 Dec 2018, 15:31

The program of round 3 (time in CET, GMT+1)

SAT 08 DEC 2018

15.00 Fiamme Oro Roma v RC Locomotive Tbilisi, Caserma Gelsomini field (capacity 1,300)
15.00 Argos Petrarca Padova v Belgium Barbarians XV, Argos Arena (capacity 1,200)

I hope both matches will be live on http://www.therugbychannel.it
as they seemed to promise at the beginning of the tournament

I see a quite easy win by Padova, while Fiamme Oro should have more difficulties against Locomotive

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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby Canalina » Thu, 06 Dec 2018, 15:10

TRC confirms both the matches will be live streamed

Unfortunately, at the same hour

http://www.therugbychannel.it




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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby Canalina » Sat, 08 Dec 2018, 08:52

Lines-up

FIAMME ORO: Biondelli; D’Onofrio G., Quartaroli, Massaro, Bacchetti; Ambrosini, Marinaro; Caffini, Cristiano (cap.), Bianchi; McCarthy, Fragnito; Nocera, Kudin, Zago. Bench: Moriconi, Iovenitti, Vannozzi, D’Onofrio U., Favaro, Parisotto, Buscema, Forcucci. Coach: G.Guidi.

LOCOMOTIVE TBILISI: https://i.postimg.cc/qBPYwFQx/tbi.jpg

PETRARCA PADOVA: Fadalti; Navarra, Riera, Benettin, Coppo; Zini, Francescato; Trotta, Lamaro, Conforti (cap.); Cannone, Manni; Rossetto, Santamaria, Rizzo. Bench: Cugini, Braggiè, Mancini Parri, Goldin, Cortellazzo, Bettin, Favaro, Sattin. Coach: A.Marcato.

BELGIUM BARBARIANS XV: Bonnel, Cuffolo, Opsomer; Billi, Moelants; Verschelden, Yoko, Temmerman; Moortgat, Roobaert; Lalli, Debatty, Brouillard, Meeus; Vermote. Bench: Massimi, Vankeerberghen, Ghion, Jaupart, Vantrappen, Leduc, Semiond, Gregoire.

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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby GeoRugby » Sat, 08 Dec 2018, 15:50

Georgian club finally gets a win against an Italian one. Full time: Fiamme Oro vs Lokomotivi Tbilisi 22-29.

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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby FLIDTA RISXVA » Sat, 08 Dec 2018, 16:09

AN AWAY WIN

Does not this mean that BOTH domestic leagues are almost equal strength-wise
as at least 5 other GEO clubs currently are on par with LOCO

So, why ITA should field 4 sides and GEO just 1 ?

Does FIR contribute anything to SHIELD money-wise ?

Or they just compose pools + schedule and call themselves co-ORGANIZERS ?

I've asked this before but got no proven answer

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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby Tobar » Sat, 08 Dec 2018, 16:17

The only reason I can reckon is because they’re a Tier 1 nation (and barely one at that). They play in the Six Nations so I imagine the thought process is that the clubs should be better (and that Italy needs them to be better as well). That’s about all I got though.

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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby Blurandski » Sat, 08 Dec 2018, 17:54

FLIDTA RISXVA wrote:AN AWAY WIN

Does not this mean that BOTH domestic leagues are almost equal strength-wise
as at least 5 other GEO clubs currently are on par with LOCO

So, why ITA should field 4 sides and GEO just 1 ?

Does FIR contribute anything to SHIELD money-wise ?

Or they just compose pools + schedule and call themselves co-ORGANIZERS ?

I've asked this before but got no proven answer

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I think that in the original press release it said that the Italian league and Rugby Europe were joint owners.

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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby FLIDTA RISXVA » Sat, 08 Dec 2018, 18:04

HOW one can own this kind of thing?

BY starting | inventing?
By force | seizure ?
By paying expenses | buying ?

Does they ask anybody else? Other participants?

It yes, why did other countries | parties agree?

It is so un-natural that it could not happen ...

Can anybody name | give me an analogue
in rugby | other sports -

one nation claiming that it is its own *international* comp:
setting rules and quotas for every other nation

When and how this UGLY paradox will end ?

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Re: 2017-18 Continental Shield

Postby Canalina » Sat, 08 Dec 2018, 20:03

Maybe I'm too pessimistic but I've the feeling that this competition risks to disappear.
Some clues

- Today in Padova there were 450 spectators, according to the official press release. Usually Petrarca has between 2000 spectators for the most important Top 12 matches and 700 for the less important ones. This confirms that the Shield is judged less intriguing than the national championship by the fans

- Italian Federation website has still not an article about today's games. They published an article about Benetton in Challenge, about Zebre in Challenge and about Coppa Italia, but still nothing about the Shield. Probably they will not publish anything
https://www.federugby.it/index.php

- Timisoara and Enisei lost all their matches so far in Challenge, with points difference -128 (Tim) and -116 (Eni) after three rounds. And I think that Enisei is stronger than all the six clubs taking part in this edition of the Shield
https://www.epcrugby.com/challenge-cup/ ... ol-tables/

All this could lead the clubs' owners to ask to themselves: "why we should move on with this competition if the fans are not mad for it, if even the main national federation snobs it and if the revenue for the winner of the Shield is a six-rounds trashing in Challenge Cup?"

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