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Re: Major League Rugby

Postby 4N » Sat, 11 Aug 2018, 18:48

Are any coaching changes planned in Houston after their dismal failure in season one?

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Re: Major League Rugby

Postby sk 88 » Sat, 11 Aug 2018, 18:59

snapper37 wrote:
Tobar wrote:Yes, that’s who were talking about here. Healy is suing because he felt that he was promised to be able to work for Seattle and when it didn’t go through they should still pay him.



Should still pay him for his time. And then he should stay quiet as he may hamper his chances to coach a BC team if anybody is able to organize one.


If they pay him doesn't he become an illegal immigrant? Does that help either of them?

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Re: Major League Rugby

Postby therugbycoach » Sat, 11 Aug 2018, 20:39

4N wrote:Are any coaching changes planned in Houston after their dismal failure in season one?


I E-mailed them + NOLA + Utah asking them the same things as all looked out of their depth Sadly as of now a month waiting I havent recieved any reply, -

Not the first time i have E-mailed clubs in USA and not recieved a Reply, funny though as i have e-mailed clubs in countries all over the world and got replies the old brotherhood and rugby culture hasn't developed yet, or Manners

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Re: Major League Rugby

Postby Tobar » Sat, 11 Aug 2018, 22:30

therugbycoach wrote:
4N wrote:Are any coaching changes planned in Houston after their dismal failure in season one?


I E-mailed them + NOLA + Utah asking them the same things as all looked out of their depth Sadly as of now a month waiting I havent recieved any reply, -

Not the first time i have E-mailed clubs in USA and not recieved a Reply, funny though as i have e-mailed clubs in countries all over the world and got replies the old brotherhood and rugby culture hasn't developed yet, or Manners


Shocking that a team wouldn't respond to some guy's email asking "hey, your team sucked last year are you going to fire your coach?"

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Re: Major League Rugby

Postby Osmanperalta » Sun, 12 Aug 2018, 01:52

Tobar wrote:
therugbycoach wrote:
4N wrote:Are any coaching changes planned in Houston after their dismal failure in season one?


I E-mailed them + NOLA + Utah asking them the same things as all looked out of their depth Sadly as of now a month waiting I havent recieved any reply, -

Not the first time i have E-mailed clubs in USA and not recieved a Reply, funny though as i have e-mailed clubs in countries all over the world and got replies the old brotherhood and rugby culture hasn't developed yet, or Manners


Shocking that a team wouldn't respond to some guy's email asking "hey, your team sucked last year are you going to fire your coach?"



totally :thumbup: And some team had to finish last this season or what did you people expect?
this season it was up to the sabercats who did not do it that bad either, they had one of the most interesting games of the season against the warriors in the final weekend
It also happened to me that i expected more from the sabercats because was the team that did the best work off the field with their interesting pre-season matches but let's hope this 2019 goes better
one question someone knows about the construction of the stadium ATX of the austin elite is going on some photo or state of the advances and if it will be ready for the season 2019

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Re: Major League Rugby

Postby therugbycoach » Sun, 12 Aug 2018, 05:00

Tobar wrote:
therugbycoach wrote:
4N wrote:Are any coaching changes planned in Houston after their dismal failure in season one?


I E-mailed them + NOLA + Utah asking them the same things as all looked out of their depth Sadly as of now a month waiting I havent recieved any reply, -

Not the first time i have E-mailed clubs in USA and not recieved a Reply, funny though as i have e-mailed clubs in countries all over the world and got replies the old brotherhood and rugby culture hasn't developed yet, or Manners


Shocking that a team wouldn't respond to some guy's email asking "hey, your team sucked last year are you going to fire your coach?"


It was worded slightly better than that, actually tried to be helpful and informative, about major coaching area failings that didnt get adjusted weekly or over a whole season.
I doubt the people in charge have that much idea and probably get fed loads of BS from inefficient coaches.

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Re: Major League Rugby

Postby 4N » Sun, 12 Aug 2018, 12:08

therugbycoach wrote:
Tobar wrote:
therugbycoach wrote:
4N wrote:Are any coaching changes planned in Houston after their dismal failure in season one?


I E-mailed them + NOLA + Utah asking them the same things as all looked out of their depth Sadly as of now a month waiting I havent recieved any reply, -

Not the first time i have E-mailed clubs in USA and not recieved a Reply, funny though as i have e-mailed clubs in countries all over the world and got replies the old brotherhood and rugby culture hasn't developed yet, or Manners


Shocking that a team wouldn't respond to some guy's email asking "hey, your team sucked last year are you going to fire your coach?"


It was worded slightly better than that, actually tried to be helpful and informative, about major coaching area failings that didnt get adjusted weekly or over a whole season.
I doubt the people in charge have that much idea and probably get fed loads of BS from inefficient coaches.


It was an odd assumption that you were rude in the email. I’m not surprised they didn’t reply. Most professional organizations send out a “canned answer” to anyone but this league is still small time. Whoever hired the coaches in Houston is probably too embarrassed to admit their mistake after one year anyway.

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Re: Major League Rugby

Postby therugbycoach » Sun, 12 Aug 2018, 14:03

4N wrote:
therugbycoach wrote:
Tobar wrote:
therugbycoach wrote:
4N wrote:Are any coaching changes planned in Houston after their dismal failure in season one?


I E-mailed them + NOLA + Utah asking them the same things as all looked out of their depth Sadly as of now a month waiting I havent recieved any reply, -

Not the first time i have E-mailed clubs in USA and not recieved a Reply, funny though as i have e-mailed clubs in countries all over the world and got replies the old brotherhood and rugby culture hasn't developed yet, or Manners


Shocking that a team wouldn't respond to some guy's email asking "hey, your team sucked last year are you going to fire your coach?"


It was worded slightly better than that, actually tried to be helpful and informative, about major coaching area failings that didnt get adjusted weekly or over a whole season.
I doubt the people in charge have that much idea and probably get fed loads of BS from inefficient coaches.


It was an odd assumption that you were rude in the email. I’m not surprised they didn’t reply. Most professional organizations send out a “canned answer” to anyone but this league is still small time. Whoever hired the coaches in Houston is probably too embarrassed to admit their mistake after one year anyway.


I have been in and around Rugby for a long time, probably longer than any coach in MLR, and many New rugby ventures or even a lot of old ones world wide have always had the decency and good manners to "thank you for support / interest in organisation" even when they probably didnt even read anything,

Seeing some of the teams i Contacted couldnt perform to the standard of a mid level amateur team in UK, who train 2 times a week. some suggestions on where it was going wrong may have been accepted.

But as said it's not the first time ive had no reply from USA teams.

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Re: Major League Rugby

Postby sammo » Sun, 12 Aug 2018, 15:14

therugbycoach wrote:
4N wrote:
therugbycoach wrote:
Tobar wrote:
therugbycoach wrote:
I E-mailed them + NOLA + Utah asking them the same things as all looked out of their depth Sadly as of now a month waiting I havent recieved any reply, -

Not the first time i have E-mailed clubs in USA and not recieved a Reply, funny though as i have e-mailed clubs in countries all over the world and got replies the old brotherhood and rugby culture hasn't developed yet, or Manners


Shocking that a team wouldn't respond to some guy's email asking "hey, your team sucked last year are you going to fire your coach?"


It was worded slightly better than that, actually tried to be helpful and informative, about major coaching area failings that didnt get adjusted weekly or over a whole season.
I doubt the people in charge have that much idea and probably get fed loads of BS from inefficient coaches.


It was an odd assumption that you were rude in the email. I’m not surprised they didn’t reply. Most professional organizations send out a “canned answer” to anyone but this league is still small time. Whoever hired the coaches in Houston is probably too embarrassed to admit their mistake after one year anyway.


I have been in and around Rugby for a long time, probably longer than any coach in MLR, and many New rugby ventures or even a lot of old ones world wide have always had the decency and good manners to "thank you for support / interest in organisation" even when they probably didnt even read anything,

Seeing some of the teams i Contacted couldnt perform to the standard of a mid level amateur team in UK, who train 2 times a week. some suggestions on where it was going wrong may have been accepted.

But as said it's not the first time ive had no reply from USA teams.


Honestly, if I was running a team and I got an unsolicited email from a random person telling me what I’d done wrong all season without having been there and seen it in person, claiming to have a better insight into the game than the professionals that I had appointed, I wouldn’t respond either. Just because you have been around the game a long time doesn’t mean you know better, my grandfather has been around the game for nearly 80 years, that doesn’t mean he knows what he’s talking about. To be frank, you sound like a know-it-all and I have no problem believing that any email you sent could have been construed as rude.

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Re: Major League Rugby

Postby TheStroBro » Sun, 12 Aug 2018, 22:29

4N wrote:Are any coaching changes planned in Houston after their dismal failure in season one?

No. And to be honest, why should there be?

I think all of these guys got at least a three year leash.

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Re: Major League Rugby

Postby 4N » Sun, 12 Aug 2018, 23:00

Because they were 1-7 despite being one of the first teams to get set up and fill their roster.

Plus the whole being run out of Seattle by unhappy players thing.

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Re: Major League Rugby

Postby TheStroBro » Sun, 12 Aug 2018, 23:18

4N wrote:Because they were 1-7 despite being one of the first teams to get set up and fill their roster.

Plus the whole being run out of Seattle by unhappy players thing.


Valid criticism, but this is a first year league and I don't see why finishing bottom of the table is a reason for replacement as long as the matches were mostly competitive. Which they were. I'd say that there needs to be significant improvement in year two, but I also think all of these coaching staffs have a lot of rope to get these organizations off the ground.

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Re: Major League Rugby

Postby Tobar » Sun, 12 Aug 2018, 23:33

therugbycoach wrote:
Tobar wrote:
therugbycoach wrote:
4N wrote:Are any coaching changes planned in Houston after their dismal failure in season one?


I E-mailed them + NOLA + Utah asking them the same things as all looked out of their depth Sadly as of now a month waiting I havent recieved any reply, -

Not the first time i have E-mailed clubs in USA and not recieved a Reply, funny though as i have e-mailed clubs in countries all over the world and got replies the old brotherhood and rugby culture hasn't developed yet, or Manners


Shocking that a team wouldn't respond to some guy's email asking "hey, your team sucked last year are you going to fire your coach?"


It was worded slightly better than that, actually tried to be helpful and informative, about major coaching area failings that didnt get adjusted weekly or over a whole season.
I doubt the people in charge have that much idea and probably get fed loads of BS from inefficient coaches.


Then it must just be that us Americans don't got no manners like you say. Unless you found the email specifically of the head coach or owner you probably emailed some intern.

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Re: Major League Rugby

Postby Tobar » Sun, 12 Aug 2018, 23:38

TheStroBro wrote:
4N wrote:Because they were 1-7 despite being one of the first teams to get set up and fill their roster.

Plus the whole being run out of Seattle by unhappy players thing.


Valid criticism, but this is a first year league and I don't see why finishing bottom of the table is a reason for replacement as long as the matches were mostly competitive. Which they were. I'd say that there needs to be significant improvement in year two, but I also think all of these coaching staffs have a lot of rope to get these organizations off the ground.


Yeah a bit tough to build up this entire thing over the course of a year or so just to fire the coach after the first season. They're building a brand new team and new culture so one year of poor results is tough to justify throwing this all away. Especially in the case with Houston, they really involved their coach in the whole process from the start and brought him in for this. If there is no improvement after a few years then it's understandable. We're also at the point where it'll be difficult to find a new coach capable of joining and improving upon Fitzpatrick.

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Re: Major League Rugby

Postby Coloradoan » Mon, 13 Aug 2018, 01:17

Yes, it is rough to fire someone after a year. But if you know someone is not the right person for the job, it would be negligent to not look for other options. If you talk to people involved in the Seattle rugby community, they weren't exactly sad to see him go. Combine that with substantial underperformance in season 1 and a less than stellar stint with the Eagles forwards and I'd be looking at all available options if I were Houston.

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Re: Major League Rugby

Postby Thomas » Mon, 13 Aug 2018, 11:13

I don't understand why people are having at go Houston, have you seen their scores? Aside from Round 7 they were close matches. this is the first year. They could have had a run of injuries or personnel changes we just don't know.

Have a couple of those matches gone their way we would be having a different argument. I wouldn't change the personnel if that is not the cause of the losses.

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Re: Major League Rugby

Postby therugbycoach » Mon, 13 Aug 2018, 14:57

When you see any team making the same mistakes week after week, at player or team level, set piece failings week after week, then the people to Blame are the coaching staff,
The Players were selected for not only thier Fitness i guess but from rugby knowledge and / or skills, so by assesing those skills and organising your team to play to their strengths is the Head Coaches job, the assistants are their to make sure their sections are doing whats required to do what head coach wants,

If players are failing on basic skills they need to do more training until they get it right, or get dropped until they do, If a unit / set piece / back line etc arent getting it right either the wrong personell / techniques are being used, so maybe a change of personell or different approach.or even change whole tactical plans to game.

Most teams now either have video coverage or at worst spies at opposition games, so most teams have a good idea of strength / weaknesses which makes it easy to adapt game plans / tactics /personell hopfully to oppose weakensess. this again is the realm of coaches and changes can be made weekly.

How many teams had players regularly miss Tackles, how many were stationary catching balls from a pass, how many avoided catching high balls, how many teams defence looked like they had no idea where to go, How many attacks tried to stick to one thing even when it kept failing, how many balls kicked way to far to be contested at KOs , how many kicks went straight to opposition in mid field, how many line outs regulary failed, similar scrums, how many gave away heaps of regular penalties and so on .

and how many were still doing it last game like they did in first.

A lot of teams won more from individuals skills than fom team work,

Somewhere along the line the coaches wern't making the changes to either improve skills, adapt tactis etc. so if they aren't doing it the question come why? aren't they noticing it, arent they able to change it, dont they know how to change it or did the just select wrong players.

To me most looked like inexperience at adult competetive rugby mistakes, something you see from new coaches stepping up from schoolboy / low level club rugby/ where that pressure isnt on you to make changes.

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Re: Major League Rugby

Postby Tobar » Mon, 13 Aug 2018, 15:53

Despite the fact that the coach has a professional European background, this is still the first real go at a fully professional unit. No one is suggesting that these issues aren't the coaches' fault but we don't expect changes in the first few years. By then you should surely know that it isn't just because of the transition or lack of experience from the players.

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Re: Major League Rugby

Postby TheStroBro » Mon, 13 Aug 2018, 17:59

I recognized a lot of things with Houston. But the reality is that this is a message board, emailing someone your CV and saying: anything along the lines of your coach is shit or are you making a change hire me is bloody idiotic unless you're currently an assistant HC in a Premiership or Super Rugby team.

Now if your email was purely along the lines of: Will there be more coaching opportunities available in your organization? I understand you have one coach and few player coaches, I'd like to join your staff if there's an opportunity, otherwise good luck and look forward to watching you play is much different.

Much to my chagrin I wanted to see large coaching staffs immediately. Because I think we have a chance to set standards here across the sport with staffs of technical coaches by position group and then specialist defense and attack coaches that aren't worried about coaching props at the same time. Really only three teams with a full complement (3 coaches) of assistants in Glendale, SD, Utah and they just happened to be in the playoffs. And of course the championship winning side did it with their scrum-half and an assistant for the second half of the season.
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Re: Major League Rugby

Postby Suiram » Mon, 13 Aug 2018, 18:25

I think of all the coaches facing questions Fitzpatrick should be at the top. But I agree with Stro, for better or worse, most coaches probably have a longer leash because its such a new league. First years issues can be explained away and even next year they may still have excuses. I dont think the ownership groups are stupid or naive...but the context of the formation of MLR seems to lead to this.

That all said, Fitzpatrick has had his issues and those issues seemed to be apparent / repeated in Houston's performance. Its not a full argument in favor to say they kept many games close. They kept it close against most teams and could have been far better than 1-7 with a bit of luck. But that could also be exactly the argument against him. The quality of the team should have outperformed, but coaching / preparation issues left them under performing and relying on a lucky break here or there to get a win.

So when a coach has consistently put himself in a position to coach some of the best players available in the US yet these teams seem to under-perform...it can arguably be seen as a trend.

No comment on the guy emailing his random thoughts to the front office of teams. Maybe its because I'm American, but I cant ever see how that works well.

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Re: Major League Rugby

Postby Thomas » Mon, 13 Aug 2018, 20:58

Not sure how it works in the USA, but suffice to say at least here in the UK is who you know. Most Coaches come in teams and/or are brought in by the DoR (Director of Rugby) who knows who they are and what they do and how will they get the best performance of the players.

Right now we are in full Pre-Season mode with first games this Saturday. If I get a random email unless I know who it is or someone who has been referred then the emails are usually ignored.

PS: The great thing about MLR = No relegation.

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Re: Major League Rugby

Postby 4N » Mon, 13 Aug 2018, 21:06

Thomas wrote:Not sure how it works in the USA, but suffice to say at least here in the UK is who you know. Most Coaches come in teams and/or are brought in by the DoR (Director of Rugby) who knows who they are and what they do and how will they get the best performance of the players.

Right now we are in full Pre-Season mode with first games this Saturday. If I get a random email unless I know who it is or someone who has been referred then the emails are usually ignored.


I’m just going to tell you that nothing in this post comes across well. Who cares what point the UK season is in? This is about MLR.

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Re: Major League Rugby

Postby Thomas » Mon, 13 Aug 2018, 21:14

4N wrote:
Thomas wrote:Not sure how it works in the USA, but suffice to say at least here in the UK is who you know. Most Coaches come in teams and/or are brought in by the DoR (Director of Rugby) who knows who they are and what they do and how will they get the best performance of the players.

Right now we are in full Pre-Season mode with first games this Saturday. If I get a random email unless I know who it is or someone who has been referred then the emails are usually ignored.


I’m just going to tell you that nothing in this post comes across well. Who cares what point the UK season is in? This is about MLR.


I know that, just making comparisons about random emails.. it works at all levels. but then again who cares what others think. if you don't know how other leagues work how will you learn and survive. MLR can always learn from other competitions.

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Re: Major League Rugby

Postby The Captain's Run » Mon, 13 Aug 2018, 21:36

There's a decent chance that those emails are going straight to the spam folder. Not that I think unsolicited emails have a good chance of being replied to anyways but they may not even be arriving at the point where people can see it and explicitly choose not to reply.

Aside from Glendale, MLR coaching jobs involve building a team essentially from the ground up. Teams are still in their honeymoon period all across the league at the moment and I can't see anyone getting fired over results unless they are truly dreadful, which wasn't the case for anyone.

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Re: Major League Rugby

Postby therugbycoach » Tue, 14 Aug 2018, 21:58

emailing someone your CV and saying: anything along the lines of your coach is shit or are you making a change hire me is bloody idiotic unless you're currently an assistant HC in a Premiership or Super Rugby team.

Now if your email was purely along the lines of: Will there be more coaching opportunities available in your organization? I understand you have one coach and few player coaches, I'd like to join your staff if there's an opportunity, otherwise good luck and look forward to watching you play is much different.


Neither of those,

My E-mail was to president / chairman etc i.e the money men type of people, who will want to see something back on their investments.

I was involved as a player at the start of professionalism I saw how letting businessmen tried to run Rugby teams rather than let rugby people Run rugby teams, I also saw how sub par DoRs m head coaches and so on were influencing the businessmen with talk and ideas they didnt really understand.

Now If i get business E-mails good or bad apart from spam , beggars, etc I always answer / get them answered similarly with any rugby issues, and in general throughout my time in rugbyeven from before E-mail and contact with rugby clubs, etc has been answered.

most people with money involved like to know why their team lost so often, or why they dont seem to be up to what they think they should be. they dont want to see their team with an "L" every week, even if only by 1 point. as after not to long they reconsider their investment

That was my point of E-mailing to give people another informed view of the failings withing the coaching, i also pointed out about terrible commentators, pitches etc. which in turn could affect the future of MLR, if people dont want to watch on TV or turn out to support,

I like to see rugby succeed where ever its played and people including me improve from paying atention to those who have had experience, Ignore experience at your own risk.

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