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Re: General topic for African Rugby

Postby Ser Podrick of Payne » Sat, 12 May 2018, 16:46

Bronze Cup 3rd/4th Place Result: Rwanda 32- 22 Lesotho


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Rugby Africa Bronze Cup - Ghana deafeated Mauritius 23-17 and won the tournament! Congratulations to both teams for this incredible match!
Ghana will this compete in the Rugby Africa Silver Cup 2019

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Re: General topic for African Rugby

Postby victorsra » Sat, 12 May 2018, 23:19

Ghana promoted, well done!

Is there relegation for Lesotho?
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Re: General topic for African Rugby

Postby Ser Podrick of Payne » Sun, 13 May 2018, 07:40

As it stands, I don't think there is a lower XVs division for Lesotho to drop into, unless they create a new "Regional Development" division next year for teams like Burundi, Swaziland, RDC, Gabon, Congo-Brazzaville, Malawi etc. The problem is these teams have a huge tendency to pull out of tournaments anyway, so we'll see how many of them go the 7s this year. Perhaps if they show some resolve in taking part in the 7s Rugby Afrique will try to prop up the lowest level at XVs.

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Re: General topic for African Rugby

Postby Canalina » Sun, 13 May 2018, 08:50

I don't remember where but yesterday I clearly read on facebook or twitter "winner of the pool promoted in Silver Cup, bottom team relegated to the regional tournament"

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Re: General topic for African Rugby

Postby Canalina » Tue, 15 May 2018, 09:04

Ghana's try in the final vs Mauritius

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Re: General topic for African Rugby

Postby dwpeate » Wed, 16 May 2018, 13:59

Anyone know if the proposed Cheetahs B games against Uganda scheduled for this afternoon and also on Saturday are taking place? Twitter is quiet...

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Re: General topic for African Rugby

Postby dwpeate » Wed, 16 May 2018, 20:45

One person asked them if the games were on, no reply. Nothing on twitter at all. I can only imagine this hasn't gone ahead.

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Re: General topic for African Rugby

Postby SallesNeto_BR » Thu, 17 May 2018, 04:01

I really can't comprehend why former British-colonies like Botswana or Lesotho, in the neighbourhood of South Africa, are so weak in rugby. Can someone explain?

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Re: General topic for African Rugby

Postby Gen Santa » Thu, 17 May 2018, 04:27

SallesNeto_BR wrote:I really can't comprehend why former British-colonies like Botswana or Lesotho, in the neighbourhood of South Africa, are so weak in rugby. Can someone explain?


well rugby was considered the "white man's" game... so in much of africa it was whites only... as far as i know the only african nation where rugby was successfully integrated is kenya and maybe zimbabwe... as we see namibia is almost all white, and south africa has had his issues (people do not realize quotas are symptom of the problem, not the problem in itself)... not to mention that the white community in these countries is small enough as it is and you realize that rugby would not catch on... and of course these nations have very little resources to begin with anyway

it happened in tanzania - rugby was for whites only there and was never really integrated with native population - once the whites left the game died, while kenya had the opposite and it flourished... i wonder why, was it like in georgia and japan where the sport fit strongly with local tradition?

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Re: General topic for African Rugby

Postby dwpeate » Thu, 17 May 2018, 08:16

dwpeate wrote:Anyone know if the proposed Cheetahs B games against Uganda scheduled for this afternoon and also on Saturday are taking place? Twitter is quiet...


Reportedly postphoned

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Re: General topic for African Rugby

Postby thatrugbyguy » Thu, 17 May 2018, 11:10

Gen Santa wrote:
SallesNeto_BR wrote:I really can't comprehend why former British-colonies like Botswana or Lesotho, in the neighbourhood of South Africa, are so weak in rugby. Can someone explain?


well rugby was considered the "white man's" game... so in much of africa it was whites only... as far as i know the only african nation where rugby was successfully integrated is kenya and maybe zimbabwe... as we see namibia is almost all white, and south africa has had his issues (people do not realize quotas are symptom of the problem, not the problem in itself)... not to mention that the white community in these countries is small enough as it is and you realize that rugby would not catch on... and of course these nations have very little resources to begin with anyway

it happened in tanzania - rugby was for whites only there and was never really integrated with native population - once the whites left the game died, while kenya had the opposite and it flourished... i wonder why, was it like in georgia and japan where the sport fit strongly with local tradition?


Cricket seemed to flourish in the same nations rugby did, SA, Zimbabwe, Kenya, Namibia, etc. Rugby didn't flourish in India though. That has always puzzled me.

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Re: General topic for African Rugby

Postby qwerty » Thu, 17 May 2018, 15:12

It is also the most popular sport in Madagascar (though it was a French colony) . It also seems fairly popular in Uganda.

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Re: General topic for African Rugby

Postby Canalina » Thu, 17 May 2018, 15:32

Globally speaking there also the strange case of Sri Lanka (rugby quite popular there while almost unknown, al least until ten years ago, in India) and of Papua Guinea (rugby league very popular there, much less popular in the Solomons and very few played in the neighbor Indonesia). I don't know if there are other team sports with this kind of exceptions in their diffusion

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Re: General topic for African Rugby

Postby qwerty » Thu, 17 May 2018, 15:43

In the Solomons and Vanuatu football is most popular. Probably in New Caledonia as well.

Outside Fiji, Samoa and Tonga, the Cook Islands and PNG have the strongest teams in Oceania. Tahiti has progressed a lot lately, but I don't know if that's thanks to fielding ineligible players.

I don't know if football or rugby is more popular in Tahiti. Probably football.

Rugby is also very popular in Wallis and Futuna, but they're very small (about 12000). There are a ton of Wallisians in New Caledonia, and in fact they make up a majority of their national team, there are also several Wallisians playing in France. If Wallis could get all the eligible players I reckon they could form a decent team.

Finally there is Niue and Tokelau. Niue has a decent team for being a country of less than 2000 people and a diaspora of maybe 5000. Tokelau has a similar population, but no team.

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Re: General topic for African Rugby

Postby Neptune » Thu, 17 May 2018, 18:23

thatrugbyguy wrote:
Gen Santa wrote:
SallesNeto_BR wrote:I really can't comprehend why former British-colonies like Botswana or Lesotho, in the neighbourhood of South Africa, are so weak in rugby. Can someone explain?


well rugby was considered the "white man's" game... so in much of africa it was whites only... as far as i know the only african nation where rugby was successfully integrated is kenya and maybe zimbabwe... as we see namibia is almost all white, and south africa has had his issues (people do not realize quotas are symptom of the problem, not the problem in itself)... not to mention that the white community in these countries is small enough as it is and you realize that rugby would not catch on... and of course these nations have very little resources to begin with anyway

it happened in tanzania - rugby was for whites only there and was never really integrated with native population - once the whites left the game died, while kenya had the opposite and it flourished... i wonder why, was it like in georgia and japan where the sport fit strongly with local tradition?


Cricket seemed to flourish in the same nations rugby did, SA, Zimbabwe, Kenya, Namibia, etc. Rugby didn't flourish in India though. That has always puzzled me.


In Kenya, after independence, a strong rugby culture had already been set and inculcated into the system, hence the native population just continued with what was a tradition all along. Cricket is the sport which is on a downward trend after the ICC put the guillotine on us in 2004.

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Re: General topic for African Rugby

Postby SallesNeto_BR » Fri, 18 May 2018, 01:31

Canalina wrote:Globally speaking there also the strange case of Sri Lanka (rugby quite popular there while almost unknown, al least until ten years ago, in India) and of Papua Guinea (rugby league very popular there, much less popular in the Solomons and very few played in the neighbor Indonesia). I don't know if there are other team sports with this kind of exceptions in their diffusion


It's not that difficult to comprehend about PNG: they were under the Aussie rule for about sixty years

But Sri Lanka is of course a crazy case

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Re: General topic for African Rugby

Postby qwerty » Fri, 18 May 2018, 02:08

Sri Lanka and Madagascar should be strong teams. Samoa, Tonga and Fiji are also dirt poor, AND they're way smaller.

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Re: General topic for African Rugby

Postby Gen Santa » Fri, 18 May 2018, 04:08

thatrugbyguy wrote:
Gen Santa wrote:
SallesNeto_BR wrote:I really can't comprehend why former British-colonies like Botswana or Lesotho, in the neighbourhood of South Africa, are so weak in rugby. Can someone explain?


well rugby was considered the "white man's" game... so in much of africa it was whites only... as far as i know the only african nation where rugby was successfully integrated is kenya and maybe zimbabwe... as we see namibia is almost all white, and south africa has had his issues (people do not realize quotas are symptom of the problem, not the problem in itself)... not to mention that the white community in these countries is small enough as it is and you realize that rugby would not catch on... and of course these nations have very little resources to begin with anyway

it happened in tanzania - rugby was for whites only there and was never really integrated with native population - once the whites left the game died, while kenya had the opposite and it flourished... i wonder why, was it like in georgia and japan where the sport fit strongly with local tradition?


Cricket seemed to flourish in the same nations rugby did, SA, Zimbabwe, Kenya, Namibia, etc. Rugby didn't flourish in India though. That has always puzzled me.


funny you bring up india, we barely have any posters from that nation...

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Re: General topic for African Rugby

Postby iul » Fri, 18 May 2018, 04:21

qwerty wrote:Sri Lanka and Madagascar should be strong teams. Samoa, Tonga and Fiji are also dirt poor, AND they're way smaller.

Smaller in the number of people, but the people in the PIs are giants compared to the Sri Lankans or the Malagasy

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Re: General topic for African Rugby

Postby thatrugbyguy » Sat, 19 May 2018, 08:34

Nothing they can't overcome though. It's pretty evident that if Japan can lift their game to compete with bigger nations, the likes of Sri Lanka can also.

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Re: General topic for African Rugby

Postby Canalina » Mon, 21 May 2018, 19:25

Just a simple, nice wall painting from a Burkina Faso school. A boy passing back the ball to a girl

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