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16 February, Portugal v Poland, 2019 RET

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16 February, Portugal v Poland, 2019 RET

Postby suofficer » Tue, 12 Feb 2019, 10:34

15:00 KO

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Looks like some french players have made themselves available in this weeks social media.

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Re: 16 February, Portugal v Poland, 2019 RET

Postby suofficer » Wed, 13 Feb 2019, 15:55

Antonio Cortes - AEIS Agronomia
Antonio Marques - AEIS Tecnico
Bruno Rocha - AEIS Tecnico
Diogo Hasse Ferreira - Cascais
Duarte Diniz - GD Direito
Francisco Bruno - GD Direito
Jean Sousa - USM Sapiac
Joao Belo - CDUL
Joao Granate - GD Direito
Joao Vasco Coret Real - CDUP
JOrge Abecasis - CDUL
Jose D'Alte - AEIS Agronomia
Jose Rebelo de Andrade - AEIS Agronomia
Manuel Marta - CF Belenenses
Martim Cardoso - AEIS Agronomia
Nuno Macarenhas - Cascais
Rodrigo Freudenthal - CF Belenenses
Rodrigo Marta - CF Belenenses
Salvador Vassalo - Cascais
Sebastiao Villax - CDUL
Tomas Appleton - CDUL
Vasco Batista - CDUL
Vasco Ribeiro - AEIS Agronomia

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Re: 16 February, Portugal v Poland, 2019 RET

Postby polter » Thu, 14 Feb 2019, 22:52

Polish starting line-up below.

01. Gadomski Michał - Orkan Sochaczew
02. Buczek Grzegorz - Lechia Gdańsk
03. Bysewski Radosław - Ogniwo Sopot
04. Bartoszek Mateusz - SMRC Saint Médard
05. Seydak Ronan - Edinburgh Accies
06. Wiśniewski Piotr - Budowlani Lublin
07. Nowicki Aleksander - AS Macon Rugby
08. Zeszutek Piotr, kapitan - Ogniwo Sopot
09. Plichta Mateusz - Orkan Sochaczew
10. Piotrowicz Wojciech - Ogniwo Sopot
11. Szczepański Grzegorz - Ogniwo Sopot
12. Bracik Kewin - Lechia Gdańsk
13. Gdula Daniel - Posnania Poznań
14. Fursenko Artur, debiutant - Juvenia Kraków
15. Rajewski Przemysław - Pogoń Siedlce

Rezerwa:
16. Potrykus Adrian, debiutant - Newent RFC
17. Chróściel Adrian - Pogoń Siedlce
18. Kelberashvili Robizon - Budowlani Lublin
19. Mazur Hugo - Olimpicue Marcquois Rugby
20. Bezverkhyi Kostiantyn - Ogniwo Sopot
21. Plichta Dawid - Orkan Sochaczew
22. Niemiec Adrian, debiutant - Orkan Sochaczew
23. Jurczyński Michał - Juvenia Krakow

Most noticeable is the return of the two France based players in the pack, namely Bartoszek and Nowicki.

Poland have had mixed start to the RET this season. 2 great wins against the Czechs and the Lithuanians was followed by a heavy defeat to the Dutch. This will be a particularly difficult game for the Poles not only because of the pedigree of their opponents and that their away form has never been great, but because it will be the first competitive game for most of the domestically based players due to the winter break.

The experiment the Poles had with holding a season to match the calendar year between March to November has been scrapped in favour of a more typical European Autumn to Spring version. The Polish season ended with a Budolani Lodz winning the Grand Final but there seems to be a conspicuous absence of many players from this club in the national side. Other clubs that stood out were Ogniwo Sopot (the other finalists), Pogon Siedlce and Orkan Sochaczew. The last had gone to great lengths recruiting a cosmopolitan side including players from Georgia, Tonga and Kenya to a small town side 70kms outside of Warsaw.

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Re: 16 February, Portugal v Poland, 2019 RET

Postby suofficer » Fri, 15 Feb 2019, 07:46

That's the 8 from last year? He was the best player on the pitch. What happened with Harlequins?

Portugal missing some of their best backs. Nuno Sousa Guedes doing a year in Australia and Ze Rodrigues with an injury from playing a friendly against a dutch club i think. I would assume Portugal the favorites. But alongside their erratic selection policy they're yet to find a home for rugby and this will be played about an hour south of Lisbon with an entrance fee of 5 euros

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Re: 16 February, Portugal v Poland, 2019 RET

Postby Grzegorz B. » Fri, 15 Feb 2019, 09:52

suofficer wrote:That's the 8 from last year? He was the best player on the pitch. What happened with Harlequins?


The same. He spent in London few weeks and went back to Poland. Harlequins tested him and didn't decide to contract him for longer.

Ps. There's mistake/change in the line-up: 14 Jurczyński, 23 Fursenko.
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Re: 16 February, Portugal v Poland, 2019 RET

Postby thx » Fri, 15 Feb 2019, 18:34

Polish team played one training game with Pogoń Siedlce but I think that won't be enough. We have winter break and this always have influence on our players.
Orkan Sochaczew is going to bulid strong team and they additionally try to revive popularity rugby in area.

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Re: 16 February, Portugal v Poland, 2019 RET

Postby EnGdoPau » Sat, 16 Feb 2019, 15:52

Halftime:

Portugal 27 - 0 Polonia

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Re: 16 February, Portugal v Poland, 2019 RET

Postby EnGdoPau » Sat, 16 Feb 2019, 16:46

Full Time:

Portugal 65 - 5 Poland
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Re: 16 February, Portugal v Poland, 2019 RET

Postby Wolves » Sat, 16 Feb 2019, 16:47

FT

Portugal 65 - 5 Poland

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Re: 16 February, Portugal v Poland, 2019 RET

Postby polter » Sun, 17 Feb 2019, 16:07

In hindsight this was kind of inevitable but the size of the loss will really hurt. No meaningful warm up game again hurt the Poles preparation. Match fitness was lacking especially in the last quarter and the overseas based players never made the impact that was expected of them.

For Poland the only thing left to play for is their final game in the RET against Switzerland at home where they play much better. Beating the Swiss I believe will make this a satisfactory season for the Poles. They have never beaten them since they were promoted a few seasons ago and it should mean they end up third which is a good result considering the Portuguese and Dutch are on another level for now. If they are to beat the Swiss they need to find props as the Swiss are a good scrummaging side with many players being regular performers in solid French clubs across the border. Wilczuk the loose-head from Sopot can come back in but he is coming to the end of his career. There is also Malaguradze a naturalised Georgian playing tight head for Łódź but for whatever reason that club doesn’t want to let all their players play for the national team.

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Re: 16 February, Portugal v Poland, 2019 RET

Postby Thomas » Sun, 17 Feb 2019, 16:11

polter wrote:In hindsight this was kind of inevitable but the size of the loss will really hurt. No meaningful warm up game again hurt the Poles preparation. Match fitness was lacking especially in the last quarter and the overseas based players never made the impact that was expected of them.

For Poland the only thing left to play for is their final game in the RET against Switzerland at home where they play much better. Beating the Swiss I believe will make this a satisfactory season for the Poles. They have never beaten them since they were promoted a few seasons ago and it should mean they end up third which is a good result considering the Portuguese and Dutch are on another level for now. If they are to beat the Swiss they need to find props as the Swiss are a good scrummaging side with many players being regular performers in solid French clubs across the border. Wilczuk the loose-head from Sopot can come back in but he is coming to the end of his career. There is also Malaguradze a naturalised Georgian playing tight head for Łódź but for whatever reason that club doesn’t want to let all their players play for the national team.

Are clubs like Łódź semi pro or do they contract player on match fees?

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Re: 16 February, Portugal v Poland, 2019 RET

Postby polter » Sun, 17 Feb 2019, 20:10

Lodz is generally semi pro but has pro players. They employ 2 Georgian tight head props, the Ukrainian national team loose head prop who is also the best loose head in the league, a South African back row and fly-half. Other clubs are able to bring in some Georgian or Ukrainian players but not to the same extent or class as Lodz is able to. Add to that they probably have another 5 or 6 players who would probably make the Poland squad.

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Re: 16 February, Portugal v Poland, 2019 RET

Postby iul » Sun, 17 Feb 2019, 22:35

Where does Lodz get money from?

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Re: 16 February, Portugal v Poland, 2019 RET

Postby mestre » Mon, 18 Feb 2019, 00:00

Hi boys, I am back.
Can you tell me why there is a playoff game between the winner of the Trophy and the last of the Championship?
This only happens since Portugal was relegated - funny...
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Re: 16 February, Portugal v Poland, 2019 RET

Postby NedRugby » Mon, 18 Feb 2019, 06:34

mestre wrote:Hi boys, I am back.
Can you tell me why there is a playoff game between the winner of the Trophy and the last of the Championship?
This only happens since Portugal was relegated - funny...


I would have thought the reason was quite obvious - to make sure that the best six teams play in the REC. After many years of the promoted team being badly beaten and directly relegated again I think it is a good idea, even if one day it prevents the Netherlands from being promoted.

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Re: 16 February, Portugal v Poland, 2019 RET

Postby suofficer » Mon, 18 Feb 2019, 07:52

I went to this game, there were a few things that made a difference in my opinion

The value of a well hosted home game. The Polish did this last year , taking the game seriously and Setubal did it this year. The one stand was packed. There was a lot of noise (quite a few polish, enough to hear the national anthem clearly ) beers and food on sale. The noise helped I think. Often Portugal play in front of 2 men and a dog. However, evey league fixture was played that day so all the players in the country yet again couldn't watch the national team play . My mind boggles at this.

The front five. I haven't seen Portugal dominant upfront in a long time. Diogo Ferreira turned his larger opposite number inside out, the front row as a whole was impressive and Jean Sousa was instrumental in putting the Polish forwards under pressure.

The Polish never really got a chance to get going it seems. The centers refused to put the wings into the game. It was odd. The 9 had some balls and with a bit more support could have got things moving.

Teams are going to deal out thuggery to Portugal until an official or one of the larger forwards steps in. It was the same against Namibia.

I think every sub came off the bench and quite a few got their first cap. So Portugal will take a lot of positives from this. Holland away will be a different story. Lets see who makes themselves available now.

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Re: 16 February, Portugal v Poland, 2019 RET

Postby RugbyLiebe » Mon, 18 Feb 2019, 08:37

NedRugby wrote:
mestre wrote:Hi boys, I am back.
Can you tell me why there is a playoff game between the winner of the Trophy and the last of the Championship?
This only happens since Portugal was relegated - funny...


I would have thought the reason was quite obvious - to make sure that the best six teams play in the REC. After many years of the promoted team being badly beaten and directly relegated again I think it is a good idea, even if one day it prevents the Netherlands from being promoted.


Also in this year we could basically see that even with the Romanian 6th place, Portugal also played the 6th place finisher Germany before the green table and they lost. I think this promotion/relegation is way better than the two-year-circle we had before.
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Re: 16 February, Portugal v Poland, 2019 RET

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Re: 16 February, Portugal v Poland, 2019 RET

Postby RugbyLiebe » Mon, 18 Feb 2019, 14:59

thx wrote:Orkan Sochaczew is going to bulid strong team and they additionally try to revive popularity rugby in area.


That's really interesting, as I actually was in Sochaczew for a school exchange. I am still in contact with my exchange partner, but sadly he is not a rugby fan. They didn't have rugby in the Chopin liceum in the late 90ies though. Was it more popular in this region before?
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Look at the world ranking in July. Teams ranked 1-10 have to play one team from 11-20 (they don't play in a regular competition) away the next year. 11-20 play 21-30 away and so on. Yes, it really is that simple.

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Re: 16 February, Portugal v Poland, 2019 RET

Postby thx » Sun, 24 Feb 2019, 13:08

RugbyLiebe wrote:
thx wrote:Orkan Sochaczew is going to bulid strong team and they additionally try to revive popularity rugby in area.


That's really interesting, as I actually was in Sochaczew for a school exchange. I am still in contact with my exchange partner, but sadly he is not a rugby fan. They didn't have rugby in the Chopin liceum in the late 90ies though. Was it more popular in this region before?


Rugby is Sochaczew was very popular in 70ies and 80ies (senior rugby). After politcial and economic changes in Poland at the end of 80ies and beginning of 90ies many adults leave sport because they had to concentrate on earning money. At the same moment money on sport were cut and it was time when senior team of Orkan went down to second division. Generally many people lost interest in sport maybe expect football. Fortunately Orkan has all time good youth training and every years they won medals. In Chopin were some rugby players but they never had school team. Recently one of this guys is playing double bass in Warsaw Philharmonic and other was working for Boeing as engineer. I hope you have good memories from Sochaczew because despite all this economic problems we had good fun in 90ies, especially during weekends.

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