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Re: Argentine club rugby

Postby NaBUru38 » Sun, 11 Dec 2016, 21:46

Thanks, Argie!

URBA dominated the women's sevens. Perhaps it would be better to combine provincial teams from small provinces and clubs from URBA and other major provinces. That's the format of the men's Seven de Punta del Este.

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Re: Argentine club rugby

Postby argie » Mon, 12 Dec 2016, 01:25

Next Saturday, 17 December will take place in Paraná (Entre Ríos) the 9th edition of the Seven del Plumazo in the traditional sevens format and the Seven de Gordos (Seven of First Lines). In this modality will play his last match the international Italy-Argentine prop Martín Castrogiovanni who will retire of the active practice of rugby in CAE (Club Atlético Estdiantes) his first club, near his family and friends.
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Re: Argentine club rugby

Postby argie » Fri, 16 Dec 2016, 04:29

This is the 2017 UAR calendar for national competitions and international matches.

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Re: Argentine club rugby

Postby eal22 » Mon, 02 Jan 2017, 23:25

Full match video of the 2016 URBA Top 14 Final has finally surfaced: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCA8BlEa8r4

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Re: Argentine club rugby

Postby victorsra » Mon, 02 Jan 2017, 23:39

This is the 2017 UAR calendar for national competitions and international matches.
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Great!

Two things:

1 - In June the Argentina XV is playing 4 times, but just 3 of these matches will be the Nations Cup. The first one I believe is the Sudamérica Rugby Cup. But until 2016 this tournament was played by the 2 best teams of the South American Championship (Uruguay, Chile, Brazil or Paraguay) + Argentina. Maybe now just the best will play Argentina?

2 - Argentina XV has two matches in the ARC before the start of Jaguares' Super Rugby season. North Americans complain that they should be playing Argentina's best team. Maybe these two matches should have been against USA and Canada, as Super Rugby warm-ups. On February 4th they should play Canada and on Feb 11th the USA (after Super Bowl, of course). To keep the ARC exciting USA vs Canada and Argentina vs Uruguay could be just on rounds 4 or 5.

It would be more interesting for everybody and Argentina would be able to award caps to all ARC matches, playing properly as Pumas.
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Re: Argentine club rugby

Postby carbonero » Tue, 03 Jan 2017, 08:48

victorsra wrote: 1 - In June the Argentina XV is playing 4 times, but just 3 of these matches will be the Nations Cup. The first one I believe is the Sudamérica Rugby Cup. But until 2016 this tournament was played by the 2 best teams of the South American Championship (Uruguay, Chile, Brazil or Paraguay) + Argentina. Maybe now just the best will play Argentina?


It seems that way. The South American Championship runs through the 27th of May, so there is only one spare weekend before the Nations Cup.

The UAR has talked recently about beefing up the schedule of the second team to give more playing time to Super Rugby fringe players. Wouldn’t be surprised if Argentina XV has some mid-week games in 2017.


victorsra wrote: 2 - Argentina XV has two matches in the ARC before the start of Jaguares' Super Rugby season. North Americans complain that they should be playing Argentina's best team. Maybe these two matches should have been against USA and Canada, as Super Rugby warm-ups. On February 4th they should play Canada and on Feb 11th the USA (after Super Bowl, of course). To keep the ARC exciting USA vs Canada and Argentina vs Uruguay could be just on rounds 4 or 5.

It would be more interesting for everybody and Argentina would be able to award caps to all ARC matches, playing properly as Pumas.


The full Pumas squad has enough mileage already. Your proposed schedule would have them travel to Lanford, Comodoro Rivadavia and Port Elizabeth in the span of three weeks.

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Re: Argentine club rugby

Postby victorsra » Tue, 03 Jan 2017, 12:35

The Jaguares will have a couple of warm up matches anyway. What can be that is to have both USA and Canada matches away in one year and both at home in the other. This would help about travel issues.

Or maybe they could play USA on the last January weekend (usualy when Super Rugby warm up matches start), leaving one weekend free before the begining of Super Rugby to rest. Or both in midweeks (like February 1st and 7th), also giving at least 10 days from the second match to Super Rugby. They will play warm up matches anyway, maybe they could to promote rugby in North America.
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Re: Argentine club rugby

Postby carbonero » Tue, 03 Jan 2017, 19:49

victorsra wrote:The Jaguares will have a couple of warm up matches anyway. What can be that is to have both USA and Canada matches away in one year and both at home in the other. This would help about travel issues.

Or maybe they could play USA on the last January weekend (usualy when Super Rugby warm up matches start), leaving one weekend free before the begining of Super Rugby to rest. Or both in midweeks (like February 1st and 7th), also giving at least 10 days from the second match to Super Rugby. They will play warm up matches anyway, maybe they could to promote rugby in North America.


After what happened at the end of last season, it’s safe to assume that the full Pumas squad is not going to make any extra trips. Apparently, they are not even traveling abroad for warm up matches.

Don’t want to rehash the discussion about the ARC. It is a nice developmental tournament. Good opportunity to test local players. Five weeks training together in a national setting. It has potential to become something larger, but for the time being it is just that. I know that Pichot is some sort of demigod in this forum, but he never planned to use the Pumas in this competition.

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Re: Argentine club rugby

Postby victorsra » Thu, 05 Jan 2017, 01:38

You are right indeed, I was just dreaming a bit.

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Re: Argentine club rugby

Postby NaBUru38 » Thu, 05 Jan 2017, 17:09

carbonero wrote: Wouldn’t be surprised if Argentina XV has some mid-week games in 2017.


The Nations Cup and the Americas Pacific Challenge already have midweek matches.

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Re: Argentine club rugby

Postby victorsra » Fri, 10 Mar 2017, 15:48

Argentina' National Championship starts tomorrow. 4 divisions, with clubs drawn according to their positions in their regional leagues last year. Argentina has 8 regional leagues and Uruguayan clubs will also take part in the competitions.

Here you are the groups. In ( ) the League/Province of the club. Remember, most regional leagues put together clubs from different provinces. The National Championship ends in April. From April to October/November Argentines play their regional leagues. The number of spots each region has in each national division can change according to their clubs' results.

This year the Buenos Aires league, the URBA, will be reduced from 14 to 12 clubes. All URBA top division clubs only play in the 1st and 2nd national division. The 3rd and 4th division are just for clubs from the other provinces. The URBA's second division will run from all over the season, in another change. It is simpler the system now.


1st division - Nacional de Clubes: 7 best clubs from Buenos Aires league (URBA) + 3 from Noroeste/Northwest league (Tucumán/Salta/Santiago/Jujuy) + 3 from Litoral league (Rosario/Santa Fe/Entre Rios) + 2 from Central (Córdoba/Andina) league:

Zona 1: Belgrano Athletic (URBA), Regatas de Bella Vista (URBA), Old Resian (Rosário/Litoral), Huirapuca (Tucumán/Noroeste);

Zona 2: Hindú (URBA), Duendes (Rosário/Litoral), SIC (URBA), Tucumán Rugby (Tucumán/Noroeste);

Zona 3: Tala (Córdoba/Centro), Newman (URBA), CUBA (URBA), Universitario de Tucumán (Tucumán/Noroeste);

Zona 4: San Luis (URBA), Los Tarcos (Tucumán/Noroeste), CRAI (Santa Fe/Litoral), Urú Curé (Córdoba/Centro).


2nd division - Nacional de Clubes B: 5 clubs from Buenos Aires (URBA) + 3 clubs from Noroeste + 2 clubs from Centro + 1 club from Litoral + 2 clubs from Pampas (Mar del Plata/Sur/UROBA) + 1 club from Oeste/West (Cuyo aka Mendoza/San Juan/San Luis) + 2 clubs from Uruguay

Zona 1: CASI (URBA), Universitario de Salta (Salta/Noroeste), Atlético del Rosario (URBA), Old Boys (Uruguay);

Zona 2: Jockey Club de Villa María (Córdoba/Centro), Pucará (URBA), Cardenales (Tucumán/Noroeste), Old Christians (Uruguay);

Zona 3: Alumni (URBA), Jockey de Salta (Salta/Noroeste), Jockey Club de Córdoba (Córdoba/Centro), Sporting (Mar del Plata/Pampeano).

Zona 4: Jockey Club de Rosario (Rosario/Litoral), La Plata (URBA), Liceo (Cuyo/Oeste), Mar del Plata Club (Mar del Plata/Pampeano).



3rd division - Torneio do Interior A: 3 from Litoral, 3 from Centro, 3 from Pampas, 3 from Oeste, 2 from Nordeste/Northeast (Nordeste/Misiones/Formosa), 1 from Patagonia (all southern province) + 1 from Noroeste,

Zona 1: Gimnasia y Esgrima de Rosario (Rosario/Litoral), Neuquén (Alto Valle/Patagônia), Córdoba Athletic (Córdoba/Centro), Comercial (Mar del Plata/Pampeano);

Zona 2: Sociedad Sportiva (Sur/Pampeano), Natación y Gimnasia (Tucumán/Noroeste), Peumayén (Cuyo/Oeste), Santa Fe (Santa Fe/Litoral);

Zona 3: La Tablada (Cordoba/Centro), Estudiantes (Entre Ríos/Litoral), Los Tordos (Cuyo/Oeste), CURNE (Nordeste/Nordeste);

Zona 4: Marista (Cuyo/Oeste), Palermo Bajo (Córdoba/Centro), Taragüy (Nordeste/Nordeste), San Ignacio (Mar del Plata/Pampeano);


URBA Primeira División A (URBA's 2nd division):

Clubs: San Albano, Champagnat, Buenos Aires C&RC, Mariano Moreno, Universitario de La Plata, Lomas Athletic, Los Tilos, San Martín, Curupayti, SITAS, Banco Nación, San Carlos, Pueyrredón, Gimnasia y Esgrima de Buenos Aires;



4th division - Torneio do Interior B : 2 from Noroeste + 2 from Centro + 2 from Litoral + 2 from Oeste + 2 from Pampas + 2 from Nordeste + 2 from Patagonia + 2 from Uruguay

Zona 1: Bigornia (Chubut/Patagônia), Marabunta (Alto Valle/Patagônia), Los Cardos (Oeste de Buenos Aires/Pampeano) Universitario (Mar del Plata/Pampeano);

Zona 2: Provincial (Rosario/Litoral), Universitario de Santa Fe (Santa Fe/Litoral), San Patricio (Nordeste/Nordeste), Sixty (Nordeste/Nordeste);

Zona 3: Universitario de Córdoba (Córdoba/Centro), Carrasco Polo (Uruguay), Trébol (Uruguay), Córdoba Rugby (Córdoba/Centro);

Zona 4: Banco RC (Cuyo/Oeste), Tucumán Lawn Tennis (Tucumán/Noroeste), Santiago Lawn Tennis (Santiago del Estero/Noroeste), Teqüé (Cuyo/Oeste);
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Re: Argentine club rugby

Postby TheStroBro » Sun, 12 Mar 2017, 17:14

Does anyone have a link to Union Argentina's strategic plan? My Spanish is non-existent.

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Re: Argentine club rugby

Postby NaBUru38 » Sun, 12 Mar 2017, 20:51

I could only fine the 2015 annual report: http://uar.com.ar/wp-content/themes/wpb ... 0/2015.pdf

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Re: Argentine club rugby

Postby victorsra » Mon, 13 Mar 2017, 03:49

And Old Christians from Uruguay won AWAY in the first round of Nacional B: 32-00 against Cardenales in Tucumán. Really good.
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Re: Argentine club rugby

Postby victorsra » Mon, 22 May 2017, 15:12

Argentina's Nacional de Clubes quarter finals:

Regatas Bella Vista (Buenos Aires) 27 - 29 Tala (Córdoba)

Urú Curé (Córdoba) 22 - 24 Hindú (Buenos Aires)

Newman (Buenos Aires) 16 - 19 San Luis (Buenos Aires)

Tucumán Rugby (Tucumán) 21 - 27 Belgrano (Buenos Aires)


Semifinals on 1st July

Tala - San Luis

Belgrano - Hindú
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Re: Argentine club rugby

Postby NaBUru38 » Mon, 26 Jun 2017, 14:42

Hernan14 wrote: Anyway, if I think it is stupid to not count with the players in Europe, there you can see the hand of the conservatism of the URBA (Rugby Union of Buenos Aires), just as it was the only provincial Union that did not allow the players of the PLADAR play in their competitions, in addition the young players are still going to Europe...in fact in the past already they did the same stupid thing with no result


Players will keep going to European clubs. They have much more money than Argentina.

The Jaguares will just soften the transition. European clubs will get the best young Jaguares players, instead of unexperienced 18 year olds.

URBA just care about themselves. They ignore the national team. They are not development teams, they are the top as far as they are concerned.

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Re: Argentine club rugby

Postby NaBUru38 » Wed, 26 Jul 2017, 16:44

URBA Top 12 standings after the first round:

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CASI is at the bottom of the rankings. I wouldn't be surprised if URBA modifies the relegation system at last minute to prevent them to lost status.

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Re: Argentine club rugby

Postby victorsra » Wed, 26 Jul 2017, 18:53

1 will be relegated?
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Re: Argentine club rugby

Postby carbonero » Wed, 26 Jul 2017, 19:31

NaBUru38 wrote:CASI is at the bottom of the rankings. I wouldn't be surprised if URBA modifies the relegation system at last minute to prevent them to lost status.

Nonsense

victorsra wrote:1 will be relegated?

2 direct relegations + 1 playoff

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Re: Argentine club rugby

Postby NaBUru38 » Mon, 31 Jul 2017, 16:10

Hindú (Buenos Aires) defeated Tala (Córdoba) to win its third consecutive Torneo Nacional de Clubes A.

Full results here: https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rugby_en_ ... _de_clubes

In 2018, 8 of the 16 teams in the Torneo Nacional A will be from the URBA.
Noroeste (Tucumán / Salta) will have 4 teams.
Litoral (Rosario, Santa Fe, Entre Ríos) will have 2 teams,
Córdoba will have 2 teams.

Uruguay will have 5 teams: 2 in the Torneo Nacional B, 1 in the Torneo del Interior A, and 2 in the Torneo del Interior B.

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Re: Argentine club rugby

Postby olivier » Sat, 12 Aug 2017, 08:25

I don't understand why Oeste don't have teams in Nacional de Clubes. Also, where is the level of Nacional des Clubs B in front of Interior A and B ?

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Re: Argentine club rugby

Postby Salta » Sat, 12 Aug 2017, 17:09

What happened??? Why did they delete my message???

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Re: Argentine club rugby

Postby carbonero » Sat, 12 Aug 2017, 18:59

olivier wrote:I don't understand why Oeste don't have teams in Nacional de Clubes. Also, where is the level of Nacional des Clubs B in front of Interior A and B ?

I think you mean why there are no clubs from Mendoza (Cuyo). Oeste is a small union in the west of Buenos Aires province

Mendoza teams would get slaughtered on the Nacional de Clubes “A”. Liceo RC was their only representative on the “B” tournament, winning only one of their seven matches and barely missing relegation.

I don’t understand your second question.

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Re: Argentine club rugby

Postby Salta » Sat, 12 Aug 2017, 22:23

olivier wrote: Also, where is the level of Nacional des Clubs B in front of Interior A and B ?

I can explain, but in this forum there is no education. Good luck.

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Re: Argentine club rugby

Postby NaBUru38 » Sun, 13 Aug 2017, 17:48

olivier wrote: where is the level of Nacional des Clubs B in front of Interior A and B ?


The Torneo Nacional de Clubes B was introduced this year, and all URBA Top 12 teams play either. Previously, there were only three divisions, and only q few URBA teams qualified for the Torneo Nacional.

Liceo nearly lost the Nacional B relegation match, which would have meant that no Cuyo teams would play the 2018 Nacional de Clubes.

It's a fully meritocratic system, which I like. However, I think that it would be more interesting to have provincial teams from smaller unions like Alto Valle, San Juan and Santiagueña, rather than clubs.

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