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Re: Increase the RWC to 24 teams

Postby thatrugbyguy » Tue, 25 Aug 2020, 08:28

STMKY wrote:It is you who stayed in the middle of the 20th century. You just don't see how rugby is changing. Any options are possible if you have the money. Look at Japan. Look at the joint projects of Malaysia and China with Valke and Bay of Plenty. It's not their fault that the GRR was canceled due to a pseudo-virus. Russia is already comparable to Japan in terms of rugby money. Therefore, he can afford such projects.


It's not just about money, the support needs to be there also. It's not much good throwing money on the table if there isn't enough support locally. If there is money, it has to be a long term investment. Goals have to be clear and realistic.

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Re: Increase the RWC to 24 teams

Postby Vova12 » Tue, 25 Aug 2020, 08:35

We need to strengthen our own league. Ideally it should be 2 divisions - West and East.
This is our first priority.

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Re: Increase the RWC to 24 teams

Postby thatrugbyguy » Tue, 25 Aug 2020, 08:53

And there has to be goals in terms of where the national team needs to be in the world rankings. Japan had goals of reaching the quarterfinals at RWC 2015. They missed out because of bonus points. But that goal set them up 4 years later when they won Pool A and made it to the quarterfinals. Now they have reached as high as 7th in the World Rankings. So, if Russia, or any other T2 nation for that matter,USA, Spain, Germany, whoever, want to host the World Cup, they need not just goals domestically, they need goals internationally too.

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Re: Increase the RWC to 24 teams

Postby Vova12 » Tue, 25 Aug 2020, 08:55

Our goal has been constant for many years.
Qualify for WC.
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Re: Increase the RWC to 24 teams

Postby Chester-Donnelly » Tue, 25 Aug 2020, 08:56

I don't think you need West and East, but there is probably a structure you could have where there is less west to east travel. Like the Pro 14, the Welsh teams play each other twice and some of the other teams only once.

In a 10 team round robin championship each team plays 18 regular season games. If there was 12 teams (4 east, 4 south, 4 Moscow area) each team could play its neighbours 3 times and the other teams once = 17 regular season games but with much less travel.

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Re: Increase the RWC to 24 teams

Postby thatrugbyguy » Tue, 25 Aug 2020, 09:15

Vova12 wrote:Our goal has been constant for many years.
Qualify for WC.


Time to think bigger.

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Re: Increase the RWC to 24 teams

Postby Chester-Donnelly » Tue, 25 Aug 2020, 09:18

thatrugbyguy wrote:
Vova12 wrote:Our goal has been constant for many years.
Qualify for WC.


Time to think bigger.


Qualify for a 24 team WC. That's 20% bigger.

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Re: Increase the RWC to 24 teams

Postby STMKY » Tue, 25 Aug 2020, 09:28

The division of the Russian PRO League into West and East is complete nonsense. It is being promoted by Moscow lobbyists. So that their teams travel to each other on the metro, and the Siberian teams fly over 100 thousand km per season.
It makes sense to divide the league into two divisions when you have 20-30 clubs. And not 10. Instead of games of the Enisei\Yar level against VVA\Slava, we will get more devastating games against Vladivostok and Dinamo.

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Re: Increase the RWC to 24 teams

Postby STMKY » Tue, 25 Aug 2020, 09:33

Of course, I know that Cheetahs and Kings need to have local support. There is support. In Saransk, the Minister of Sports said this year that they want to have a strong rugby club in the city. In Kaliningrad, the governor is a rugby fan. They have kids level rugby. The national teams of Russia and Portugal played there. He also talked about the creation of the PRO club.
I cannot describe to you all such small details here. I will have to write entire pages in a foreign language. Therefore, I only write the key things.

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Re: Increase the RWC to 24 teams

Postby thatrugbyguy » Tue, 25 Aug 2020, 09:38

Chester-Donnelly wrote:Qualify for a 24 team WC. That's 20% bigger.


I'm talking about the national team itself. Needs to have more ambition than just qualify if they want to host.

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Re: Increase the RWC to 24 teams

Postby Chester-Donnelly » Tue, 25 Aug 2020, 09:41

thatrugbyguy wrote:
Chester-Donnelly wrote:Qualify for a 24 team WC. That's 20% bigger.


I'm talking about the national team itself. Needs to have more ambition than just qualify if they want to host.


They should be aiming to qualify and win a game.

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Re: Increase the RWC to 24 teams

Postby thatrugbyguy » Tue, 25 Aug 2020, 09:46

2 games and a third place pool finish.

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Re: Increase the RWC to 24 teams

Postby Chester-Donnelly » Tue, 25 Aug 2020, 09:53

thatrugbyguy wrote:2 games and a third place pool finish.


Under this 24 team format that is very unrealistic. Russia can beat Brazil or a similar standard team but Wales and Scotland are too strong at the moment. They can win one game and finish third. Goals need to be achievable.

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Re: Increase the RWC to 24 teams

Postby Vova12 » Tue, 25 Aug 2020, 10:32

STMKY wrote:The division of the Russian PRO League into West and East is complete nonsense. It is being promoted by Moscow lobbyists. So that their teams travel to each other on the metro, and the Siberian teams fly over 100 thousand km per season.
It makes sense to divide the league into two divisions when you have 20-30 clubs. And not 10. Instead of games of the Enisei\Yar level against VVA\Slava, we will get more devastating games against Vladivostok and Dinamo.

It will be necessary to fly not for Moscow clubs but for Vladivostok tigers.
I do not see any point in forming this club at all if it does not play in Asian League or in East division.
Two divisions will help reduce travel costs for clubs, its obvious.
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Re: Increase the RWC to 24 teams

Postby Vova12 » Tue, 25 Aug 2020, 10:35

STMKY wrote:Of course, I know that Cheetahs and Kings need to have local support. There is support. In Saransk, the Minister of Sports said this year that they want to have a strong rugby club in the city. In Kaliningrad, the governor is a rugby fan. They have kids level rugby. The national teams of Russia and Portugal played there. He also talked about the creation of the PRO club.
I cannot describe to you all such small details here. I will have to write entire pages in a foreign language. Therefore, I only write the key things.

You need to marry daughter of a billionaire and start spending her money on these ideas.
Only this will make you stop raving.
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Re: Increase the RWC to 24 teams

Postby thatrugbyguy » Tue, 25 Aug 2020, 10:55

Chester-Donnelly wrote:
thatrugbyguy wrote:2 games and a third place pool finish.


Under this 24 team format that is very unrealistic. Russia can beat Brazil or a similar standard team but Wales and Scotland are too strong at the moment. They can win one game and finish third. Goals need to be achievable.


I'm talking about 2023. If they want to host the World Cup they have to not only qualify for 2023 but aim for 2 wins and a third place finish at that tournament. They are one of the few T2 nations with a professional domestic league. If the money is there as what our Russian members here say there is, and the desire to host the 2027 RWC is genuine, then they need to do something with it. They showed at RWC 2019 despite the fact there were better teams who missed out they were competitive for most of their pool matches, other than the last match against Scotland where fitness got the better of them. If we want to make comparisons with Japan in terms of money, then the goals need to be the same as what Japan aimed for.

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Re: Increase the RWC to 24 teams

Postby Chester-Donnelly » Tue, 25 Aug 2020, 11:04

thatrugbyguy wrote:
Chester-Donnelly wrote:
thatrugbyguy wrote:2 games and a third place pool finish.


Under this 24 team format that is very unrealistic. Russia can beat Brazil or a similar standard team but Wales and Scotland are too strong at the moment. They can win one game and finish third. Goals need to be achievable.


I'm talking about 2023. If they want to host the World Cup they have to not only qualify for 2023 but aim for 2 wins and a third place finish at that tournament. They are one of the few T2 nations with a professional domestic league. If the money is there as what our Russian members here say there is, and the desire to host the 2027 RWC is genuine, then they need to do something with it. They showed at RWC 2019 despite the fact there were better teams who missed out they were competitive for most of their pool matches, other than the last match against Scotland where fitness got the better of them. If we want to make comparisons with Japan in terms of money, then the goals need to be the same as what Japan aimed for.


For 2023 to win a single game would be a huge achievement. For 2027 with a 24 team format, to win a game is the most they could achieve. By 2031 winning 2 games should be the goal.

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Re: Increase the RWC to 24 teams

Postby STMKY » Tue, 25 Aug 2020, 12:22

What say after this news? Is it better to disband the players, but refuse a lucrative offer from Russia?
https://www.france24.com/en/20200825-ca ... currie-cup

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Re: Increase the RWC to 24 teams

Postby Vova12 » Tue, 25 Aug 2020, 12:32

So far there is only one advantageus offer from Russia. From you! :D
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Re: Increase the RWC to 24 teams

Postby victorsra » Tue, 25 Aug 2020, 13:46

:lol:

Now it became madness.
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Re: Increase the RWC to 24 teams

Postby ficcp » Tue, 25 Aug 2020, 19:10

Chester-Donnelly wrote:
thatrugbyguy wrote:
Chester-Donnelly wrote:
thatrugbyguy wrote:2 games and a third place pool finish.


Under this 24 team format that is very unrealistic. Russia can beat Brazil or a similar standard team but Wales and Scotland are too strong at the moment. They can win one game and finish third. Goals need to be achievable.


I'm talking about 2023. If they want to host the World Cup they have to not only qualify for 2023 but aim for 2 wins and a third place finish at that tournament. They are one of the few T2 nations with a professional domestic league. If the money is there as what our Russian members here say there is, and the desire to host the 2027 RWC is genuine, then they need to do something with it. They showed at RWC 2019 despite the fact there were better teams who missed out they were competitive for most of their pool matches, other than the last match against Scotland where fitness got the better of them. If we want to make comparisons with Japan in terms of money, then the goals need to be the same as what Japan aimed for.


For 2023 to win a single game would be a huge achievement. For 2027 with a 24 team format, to win a game is the most they could achieve. By 2031 winning 2 games should be the goal.


If they have a good number of kiwis, SAF and europeans players able to play for Russia in 2027 (5 years of residence) they could reach the target of 2 wins in 2027.

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Re: Increase the RWC to 24 teams

Postby CherryCoffin » Wed, 26 Aug 2020, 20:35

Out of interest, I assume you think that the Salisbury poisonings a couple of years ago were either fake or secretly carried out by the British government and not by 2 Russian spies who just so happened to be in Salisbury to see the Cathedral’s 123 metre spire???

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Re: Increase the RWC to 24 teams

Postby STMKY » Thu, 27 Aug 2020, 06:12

Sure. We just laugh at how your media fool you like the last idiots. They didn't even try to make a complex legend. In Salisbury there is an English lab, where this Novichok is produced. By the way, a couple of years before this event, for the first time in the world, this name Novichok sounded in an English television series. MI6 experiments with you like with mice. And you naively believe in everything.
If the Russians needed to kill Skripal, they would have killed him long ago in Russia. He also served several years in a Russian prison for treason. He was released. And he went to England. MI6 just thinks you are all idiots. Therefore, you did not ask unnecessary questions about corruption, migration and so on. They are constantly coming up with different stories with "bad Russians".

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