The rugby law book will be cut by 50%
The rugby law book will be cut by 50%
by iul » Sun, 16 Jul 2017, 05:02
i have a hard time seeing how they'll manage to do that. What could they get rid off?
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/inte ... understand
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/inte ... understand
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Re: The rugby law book will be cut by 50%
by ihateblazers » Sun, 16 Jul 2017, 06:02
Thank God. Sanity has prevailed. Im not an expert on the lawbook but I would think a lot of the sublaws and trying to clarify instead of leaving room for interpretation. A least that's what I would hope.
Re: The rugby law book will be cut by 50%
by Bogdan_DC » Sun, 16 Jul 2017, 06:10
Ha ha, Hansen just said that and after few days rugby Gods do it.
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Re: The rugby law book will be cut by 50%
by FLIDTA RISXVA » Sun, 16 Jul 2017, 07:01
NO, it is nothing NEW
WR have formed Law Review Group in around NOV 2015
and Media Releases were issued just before XMAS holidays
Theere were three working groups within it:
1) TMO
2) Maul
3) Simplified Law Book
The latter was comprised of:
Mark Harrington & Ross Tucker (World Rugby)
Chris Cuthbertson (RFU)
Tappe Henning (SRU)
Rod Hill (NZRU)
By 2016 they have ALREADY done one STUPID thing:
DELETED from Laws a workflow for sacrificing a player
when a front-row specialist is needed during sinbin
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How they could cut writ by 50% is beyond my imagination
Georgia RU has NOT receiced anything akin to a draft of a new book
If they proceed with the project, it would be THIRD time in my life-span
that I translated the Union Lawbook - done that in 1990 and again in 2000
Both original sources were written by this person >> Derek Robinson of Bristol
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derek_Robinson_(novelist)
http://alchetron.com/Derek-Robinson-(novelist)-367913-W
WR have formed Law Review Group in around NOV 2015
and Media Releases were issued just before XMAS holidays
Theere were three working groups within it:
1) TMO
2) Maul
3) Simplified Law Book
The latter was comprised of:
Mark Harrington & Ross Tucker (World Rugby)
Chris Cuthbertson (RFU)
Tappe Henning (SRU)
Rod Hill (NZRU)
By 2016 they have ALREADY done one STUPID thing:
DELETED from Laws a workflow for sacrificing a player
when a front-row specialist is needed during sinbin
@
How they could cut writ by 50% is beyond my imagination
Georgia RU has NOT receiced anything akin to a draft of a new book
If they proceed with the project, it would be THIRD time in my life-span
that I translated the Union Lawbook - done that in 1990 and again in 2000
Both original sources were written by this person >> Derek Robinson of Bristol
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derek_Robinson_(novelist)
http://alchetron.com/Derek-Robinson-(novelist)-367913-W
Re: The rugby law book will be cut by 50%
by Bogdan_DC » Sun, 16 Jul 2017, 07:35
Just joking man .And definitely he has a point but how they cut 50% is beyond me.
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Re: The rugby law book will be cut by 50%
by sk 88 » Sun, 16 Jul 2017, 08:42
I don't know about 50% but I agree that you can make the rules a lot simpler.
with the Maul I liked the ELV that you could sack it/tackle the man at the front. There was a panic about potential injuries but I never saw any data showing an increase in injuries and it didn't remove mauling from the game, just made them more dynamic.
with the Maul I liked the ELV that you could sack it/tackle the man at the front. There was a panic about potential injuries but I never saw any data showing an increase in injuries and it didn't remove mauling from the game, just made them more dynamic.
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Re: The rugby law book will be cut by 50%
by Working Class Rugger » Sun, 16 Jul 2017, 10:49
sk 88 wrote:I don't know about 50% but I agree that you can make the rules a lot simpler.
with the Maul I liked the ELV that you could sack it/tackle the man at the front. There was a panic about potential injuries but I never saw any data showing an increase in injuries and it didn't remove mauling from the game, just made them more dynamic.
Never understood much of the hysteria around the ELV's.
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Re: The rugby law book will be cut by 50%
by thatrugbyguy » Sun, 16 Jul 2017, 14:34
From what I could tell the panic seemed to be about there being less penalty goals. The only way I think you get rid of 50% of the rule book is if you simplify the ruck and maul. I don't know how you do that without shifting to a rugby league style situation, and the only way I think you do that is by taking the contest out of the breakdown. To be honest we see examples of that in the modern game already with teams not committing players to the breakdown at certain times in defence, so maybe it's a natural progression for the game to make that a law.
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Re: The rugby law book will be cut by 50%
by FLIDTA RISXVA » Sun, 16 Jul 2017, 15:15
LENGTH OF LAWS
by 2017 edition
MEASURED in A6-sized PAGES
By slashing
19&20 one spares around 24%
deleting 15&16&17 amounts to 14% economy
So, eradication of CONTEST, ie TOTAL LEAGUE-zation = 38%,
no way promised 50%
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by 2017 edition
MEASURED in A6-sized PAGES
- Code: Select all
Law 1 Ground 6
Law 2 Ball 2
Law 3 Team 8
Law 4 Clothing 4
Law 5 Time 3
Law 6 Match Officials 10
Law 7 Mode of Play 1
Law 8 Advantage 2
Law 9 Method of Scoring 4
Law 10 Foul Play 9
Law 11 Offside | Onside 6
Law 12 Knock-on | Forward pass 3
Law 13 Kick-off | 22 Drop 7
Law 14 Ball on Ground 2
Law 15 Tackle 8
Law 16 Ruck 5
Law 17 Maul 6
Law 18 Mark 3
Law 19 Touch | Lineout 21
Law 20 Scrum 13
Law 21 Penalty | Free Kicks 7
Law 22 In-goal 9
TOTAL LENGTH 139
By slashing
19&20 one spares around 24%
deleting 15&16&17 amounts to 14% economy
So, eradication of CONTEST, ie TOTAL LEAGUE-zation = 38%,
no way promised 50%
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Re: The rugby law book will be cut by 50%
by FLIDTA RISXVA » Thu, 16 Nov 2017, 09:21
No news -- should have been approved (in principle) yesterday, amid RWC 2023 jostling
But who cares for (pitty) Laws ?
But who cares for (pitty) Laws ?
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Re: The rugby law book will be cut by 50%
by FLIDTA RISXVA » Sun, 31 Dec 2017, 09:37
THE PRODUCT
to be unveiled GLOBALLY by WR on 1 JAN 2018
kindly pointed at by MYTH of Mars
https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/file ... 202018.pdf
in ALTERNATIVE law-thread, started by GRANDE (CAN)
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=105
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Had another look -- impression SAME: VERY POSITIVE
* Former Law 7 - Mode of Play = GONE -- a bit harsh, but PRAGMATIC
* There are no DEFINITIONS at the beginning of each Law -
just short PRINCIPLES
e.g. @ p 55 The game is played only by players who are onside.
* Improved NUMBERING - just two levels: Law.Para
e.g. 3.4(a) became 3.4, and Law 3 provisions are numbered from .1 to .33
* Less | shorter sub-titles
e.g. Former
20.5 THROWING THE BALL INTO THE SCRUM
20.6 HOW THE SCRUM HALF THROWS IN THE BALL
are merged into more consize THROW @ p 95
with paras .13 to .16
and only this last one has clauses a. to g.
* Better graphics: e.g. GOAL POSTS AND CROSSBAR @ p 27
* New feature - TABLES, showing what happens in various cases
e.g. Event >> Location of the mark of >> touch Who throws in @ p 79
* Some new NOTIONS
e.g. SCRUM ZONE - charted @ p 25
* Noted already - in another thread: new - 4 COLOR CODING for sanctions
Red - award of a penalty
Green - award of a free-kick
Blue - award of a scrum, restart kick, quick-throw or lineout
Gold - disallowing of a kick. -- but this color HARDLY visible in print - could be replaced by GREY
Finally, some shortcomings:
* No hoot of Global Trials which with 99% certainty would be approved -
e.g. 7pt penalty try, re-definition of a ruck (to eradicate ITA-ENG 2017 farce) ...
* Presence of Playing Charter
If there is NO room for former Law 7: one can run, pass, tackle etc etc
then maintaining | explaining at large that
INTEGRITY • PASSION • SOLIDARITY • DISCIPLINE • RESPECT
are so vital -- seems RIDICULOUS and OUTDATED
The book should be about just Laws - it is
NEITHER a rugby's (self)-promoting pamphlet
NOR a coaching | development officer's manual
* Format: A5 (148*210) SHELF | DESK book is too big -
B5 (125*176) would be much better - still a pocket fit
but easier to read than former A6 (105*148)
* And of course, TRENDING SATANISM -
putting odd-numbered pages on LEFT and even-numbered ones on RIGHT
Is a WR page-layer | designer an IGNORANT | REBEL
If either is correct | wrong - I will re-iterate that
this does NOT fall in line with two millenium old tradition of the western civilization -
be it GREEK | ROMAN | GEORGIAN | ARMENIAN | ANGLO-SAXON | CYRILLIC
e.g. when I look for, say, page 19 my glance goes RIGHT - not LEFT
and I end up embarassed
::: Best wishes for New year to ALL
to be unveiled GLOBALLY by WR on 1 JAN 2018
kindly pointed at by MYTH of Mars
https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/file ... 202018.pdf
in ALTERNATIVE law-thread, started by GRANDE (CAN)
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=105
@
Had another look -- impression SAME: VERY POSITIVE
* Former Law 7 - Mode of Play = GONE -- a bit harsh, but PRAGMATIC
* There are no DEFINITIONS at the beginning of each Law -
just short PRINCIPLES
e.g. @ p 55 The game is played only by players who are onside.
* Improved NUMBERING - just two levels: Law.Para
e.g. 3.4(a) became 3.4, and Law 3 provisions are numbered from .1 to .33
* Less | shorter sub-titles
e.g. Former
20.5 THROWING THE BALL INTO THE SCRUM
20.6 HOW THE SCRUM HALF THROWS IN THE BALL
are merged into more consize THROW @ p 95
with paras .13 to .16
and only this last one has clauses a. to g.
* Better graphics: e.g. GOAL POSTS AND CROSSBAR @ p 27
* New feature - TABLES, showing what happens in various cases
e.g. Event >> Location of the mark of >> touch Who throws in @ p 79
* Some new NOTIONS
e.g. SCRUM ZONE - charted @ p 25
* Noted already - in another thread: new - 4 COLOR CODING for sanctions
Red - award of a penalty
Green - award of a free-kick
Blue - award of a scrum, restart kick, quick-throw or lineout
Gold - disallowing of a kick. -- but this color HARDLY visible in print - could be replaced by GREY
Finally, some shortcomings:
* No hoot of Global Trials which with 99% certainty would be approved -
e.g. 7pt penalty try, re-definition of a ruck (to eradicate ITA-ENG 2017 farce) ...
* Presence of Playing Charter
If there is NO room for former Law 7: one can run, pass, tackle etc etc
then maintaining | explaining at large that
INTEGRITY • PASSION • SOLIDARITY • DISCIPLINE • RESPECT
are so vital -- seems RIDICULOUS and OUTDATED
The book should be about just Laws - it is
NEITHER a rugby's (self)-promoting pamphlet
NOR a coaching | development officer's manual
* Format: A5 (148*210) SHELF | DESK book is too big -
B5 (125*176) would be much better - still a pocket fit
but easier to read than former A6 (105*148)
* And of course, TRENDING SATANISM -
putting odd-numbered pages on LEFT and even-numbered ones on RIGHT
Is a WR page-layer | designer an IGNORANT | REBEL
If either is correct | wrong - I will re-iterate that
this does NOT fall in line with two millenium old tradition of the western civilization -
be it GREEK | ROMAN | GEORGIAN | ARMENIAN | ANGLO-SAXON | CYRILLIC
e.g. when I look for, say, page 19 my glance goes RIGHT - not LEFT
and I end up embarassed
::: Best wishes for New year to ALL
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Re: The rugby law book will be cut by 50%
by sk 88 » Sun, 31 Dec 2017, 10:24
Finally, some shortcomings:
* No hoot of Global Trials which with 99% certainty would be approved -
e.g. 7pt penalty try, re-definition of a ruck (to eradicate ITA-ENG 2017 farce) ...
This threw me as well.
Its so confusing to have loads of different rules floating about.
Overall though this is a good re-write.
One further point I may have missed. Is a "grounding" defined anywhere? It isn't in the glossary in the back but is used when discussing a try. Can you ground the ball with your knee? Your head? Your foot? I can't find where it rules areas of the body in or out anymore.
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Re: The rugby law book will be cut by 50%
by FLIDTA RISXVA » Sun, 31 Dec 2017, 10:56
Checked: "grounding" is missing from definitions @ p 18
Many useful staff could have been cut inadvertently
No doubt when I start SERIOUSLY translating
after 6N | RE -- it would be more
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BTW, more handy version -
120 page = exactly 30 double-side A4 sheets -
for LEASURE | NON-PROFITABLE | HOME printing
as an A5 booklet
http://lelo.comyr.com/etc/World-Rugby-Laws_2018_120.pdf
Just deleted 1) Charter, 2) Tens, 3) empty pages ...
and re-arranged a bit
Could NOT deal with CLUMSY numbering, though
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Many useful staff could have been cut inadvertently
No doubt when I start SERIOUSLY translating
after 6N | RE -- it would be more
@
BTW, more handy version -
120 page = exactly 30 double-side A4 sheets -
for LEASURE | NON-PROFITABLE | HOME printing
as an A5 booklet
http://lelo.comyr.com/etc/World-Rugby-Laws_2018_120.pdf
Just deleted 1) Charter, 2) Tens, 3) empty pages ...
and re-arranged a bit
Could NOT deal with CLUMSY numbering, though
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Re: The rugby law book will be cut by 50%
by FLIDTA RISXVA » Sun, 31 Dec 2017, 11:24
For NOT alienating sections of rugby public
Separately
Charter (12 pages) >> http://lelo.comyr.com/etc/World-Rugby-L ... harter.pdf
Tens (8 pages) >> http://lelo.comyr.com/etc/World-Rugby-L ... 8_Tens.pdf
Separately
Charter (12 pages) >> http://lelo.comyr.com/etc/World-Rugby-L ... harter.pdf
Tens (8 pages) >> http://lelo.comyr.com/etc/World-Rugby-L ... 8_Tens.pdf
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Re: The rugby law book will be cut by 50%
by sk 88 » Sun, 31 Dec 2017, 11:34
I've found it. For some reason it is only defined in Law 21, rather than in the glossary despite being used earlier in the book.
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Re: The rugby law book will be cut by 50%
by FLIDTA RISXVA » Sun, 31 Dec 2017, 11:45
WILL note this and MOVE to proper place while translating into Georgian --
done a lot of those things in the past
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They have refrained from introduction of GATE and re-wrote this way >> p 67 (55/120)
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done a lot of those things in the past
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They have refrained from introduction of GATE and re-wrote this way >> p 67 (55/120)
Arrive at the tackle from the direction of their own goal line before playing the ball.
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Re: The rugby law book will be cut by 50%
by FLIDTA RISXVA » Sun, 31 Dec 2017, 14:37
GUARDIAN joking >> https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/ ... ebook-2018
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Re: The rugby law book will be cut by 50%
by FLIDTA RISXVA » Mon, 01 Jan 2018, 16:11
OFFICIAL ...
Announcement >> https://www.worldrugby.org/news/303487
@ 01/01/2018 15:00 (( I think it's GeoT = 11:00 UTC ))
Download URL >> http://laws.worldrugby.org/downloads/Wo ... 018_EN.pdf
WHO.DONE.IT ...
Mark Harrington (World Rugby Head of Technical Services and club head coach)
Tappe Henning (Scottish Rugby Union Referee Manager and former international referee)
Dr Ross Tucker (sports scientist)
Rod Hill (New Zealand Rugby Referee Manager)
Chris Cuthbertson (Chairman RFU Laws Committee)
James Fitzgerald (World Rugby Media Manager and former international referee)
Adam Pearson (web designer/illustrator)
@
Announcement >> https://www.worldrugby.org/news/303487
@ 01/01/2018 15:00 (( I think it's GeoT = 11:00 UTC ))
Download URL >> http://laws.worldrugby.org/downloads/Wo ... 018_EN.pdf
The revolutionary law book
WHO.DONE.IT ...
Mark Harrington (World Rugby Head of Technical Services and club head coach)
Tappe Henning (Scottish Rugby Union Referee Manager and former international referee)
Dr Ross Tucker (sports scientist)
Rod Hill (New Zealand Rugby Referee Manager)
Chris Cuthbertson (Chairman RFU Laws Committee)
James Fitzgerald (World Rugby Media Manager and former international referee)
Adam Pearson (web designer/illustrator)
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Re: The rugby law book will be cut by 50%
by TheStroBro » Tue, 02 Jan 2018, 04:06
Still longer than my Golf Rule Book.
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Re: The rugby law book will be cut by 50%
by FLIDTA RISXVA » Tue, 02 Jan 2018, 05:49
There is a GROSS navigation error at
http://laws.worldrugby.org/
When one switches to
WR's *NON-Official* Languages:
AF RU IT RO NL XH PT|BR ZH JA
he|she gets an EMPTY home page
So, to access STILL valid and available
*Laws of 2017* in those languages, one
* SHOULD go to EN | FR | ES
* click on 2017 which moves him|her to
http://2017.laws.worldrugby.org/ and
* then pick the desirable Language
but *site revamp* was done in hurry
and the admin JUST forgot about OTHERS
amid New Year celebrations
@
http://laws.worldrugby.org/
When one switches to
WR's *NON-Official* Languages:
AF RU IT RO NL XH PT|BR ZH JA
he|she gets an EMPTY home page
So, to access STILL valid and available
*Laws of 2017* in those languages, one
* SHOULD go to EN | FR | ES
* click on 2017 which moves him|her to
http://2017.laws.worldrugby.org/ and
* then pick the desirable Language
but *site revamp* was done in hurry
and the admin JUST forgot about OTHERS
amid New Year celebrations
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Re: The rugby law book will be cut by 50%
by FLIDTA RISXVA » Thu, 04 Jan 2018, 06:16
I'd rather continue one-man crusade
* Yesterday at first chance have printed out
abridged 120-page version, without charter and tens
* Read through randomly -- fine re-write ... but still noticed
some STREETWISE and SUBTLE changes to the Law
despite WR's honest claims to the opposite
Say, Mr Poite is GETTING a late reprieve for
his overturning that vital, contentios decision
in the last play of NZL - LIO decider
At the time - 2017 - the OFFSIDE | ONSIDE LAW
was laid down on 6 pages (75-80)
http://2017.laws.worldrugby.org/downloads/World_Rugby_Laws_2017_EN.pdf
and there were two separate sections that
could be dealing with that situation @ p 79
Now OFFSIDE | ONSIDE has been shortened to just 3 pages (55-57) and
that HARSH, UNFAIR and OUTDATED 11.7 has been REMOVED altogether
We are just left with this @ p 55
http://laws.worldrugby.org/downloads/World_Rugby_Laws_2018_EN.pdf
@
I support those kind of changes but they should be done
in more GENTLEMANLY | OPEN MANNER --
admitting that the OLD Law is NOT up-to-date
and now we are re-writing it for the good of the Game
@
So, currently there are actually TWO different sets of Laws
+ Global Trials which are not reflected in 2018 re-write at all
but this could be seen as a cost of ... quiet REVOLUTION
@
* Yesterday at first chance have printed out
abridged 120-page version, without charter and tens
* Read through randomly -- fine re-write ... but still noticed
some STREETWISE and SUBTLE changes to the Law
despite WR's honest claims to the opposite
Say, Mr Poite is GETTING a late reprieve for
his overturning that vital, contentios decision
in the last play of NZL - LIO decider
At the time - 2017 - the OFFSIDE | ONSIDE LAW
was laid down on 6 pages (75-80)
http://2017.laws.worldrugby.org/downloads/World_Rugby_Laws_2017_EN.pdf
and there were two separate sections that
could be dealing with that situation @ p 79
11.6 ACCIDENTAL OFFSIDE
(a) When an offside player cannot avoid being touched by the ball or by a team-mate carrying
it, the player is accidentally offside. If the player’s team gains no advantage from this, play
continues. If the player’s team gains an advantage, a scrum is formed with the opposing
team throwing in the ball. ...
11.7 OFFSIDE AFTER A KNOCK-ON
When a player knocks-on and an offside team-mate next plays the ball, the offside player is
liable to sanction if playing the ball prevented an opponent from gaining an advantage.
Sanction: Penalty kick
Now OFFSIDE | ONSIDE has been shortened to just 3 pages (55-57) and
that HARSH, UNFAIR and OUTDATED 11.7 has been REMOVED altogether
We are just left with this @ p 55
http://laws.worldrugby.org/downloads/World_Rugby_Laws_2018_EN.pdf
(10).5. A player is accidentally offside
if the player cannot avoid being touched by the ball
or by a team-mate who is carrying the ball.
Only if the offending team gains an advantage should play stop.
Sanction: Scrum.
@
I support those kind of changes but they should be done
in more GENTLEMANLY | OPEN MANNER --
admitting that the OLD Law is NOT up-to-date
and now we are re-writing it for the good of the Game
@
So, currently there are actually TWO different sets of Laws
+ Global Trials which are not reflected in 2018 re-write at all
but this could be seen as a cost of ... quiet REVOLUTION
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Re: The rugby law book will be cut by 50%
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Re: The rugby law book will be cut by 50%
by FLIDTA RISXVA » Mon, 08 Jan 2018, 08:27
STRANGELY enough WR unveiled new Lawbook in Spanish before French
http://laws.worldrugby.org/?&language=ES
http://laws.worldrugby.org/downloads/Wo ... 018_ES.pdf
Other 10 languages still ZILCH
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Preliminary Cover of GE edition
Still pocket size B6, orientation - landscape: to fit wide tables in
Will be printed on 1 AUG 2018 - before next domestic saeson
There is no need to hurry up - in APR | MAY
WR surely will adopt those Laws which are being currently trialled
and they themselves will be forced to prepare | print a new batch
@
http://laws.worldrugby.org/?&language=ES
http://laws.worldrugby.org/downloads/Wo ... 018_ES.pdf
Other 10 languages still ZILCH
@
Preliminary Cover of GE edition
Still pocket size B6, orientation - landscape: to fit wide tables in
Will be printed on 1 AUG 2018 - before next domestic saeson
There is no need to hurry up - in APR | MAY
WR surely will adopt those Laws which are being currently trialled
and they themselves will be forced to prepare | print a new batch
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Re: The rugby law book will be cut by 50%
by FLIDTA RISXVA » Mon, 08 Jan 2018, 15:25
FR has been added as well
http://laws.worldrugby.org/index.php?&language=FR
http://laws.worldrugby.org/downloads/Wo ... 018_FR.pdf
+ apologies in RU
http://laws.worldrugby.org/?&language=RU
ELSEWHERE silence
@
http://laws.worldrugby.org/index.php?&language=FR
http://laws.worldrugby.org/downloads/Wo ... 018_FR.pdf
+ apologies in RU
http://laws.worldrugby.org/?&language=RU
ELSEWHERE silence
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Re: The rugby law book will be cut by 50%
by FLIDTA RISXVA » Wed, 10 Jan 2018, 07:29
RE-DIRECT added to ALL other languages
but in EN, this way:
but in EN, this way:
2018 laws are in production
The laws of rugby have been simplified and retructured for the 2018 law book.
World Rugby is working to roll out this new content across our various languages.
Your chosen language is not yet available.
In the meantime you can browse the 2017 laws site.
Go to 2017 laws site >> http://2017.laws.worldrugby.org/?language=XX
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