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Re: 2027 RWC bids

Postby armchair_expert » Fri, 18 Dec 2020, 19:47

when they announced the double award I thought one of the reasons for that (and for the open vote decision) is to ensure Russia won't get the 2031

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Re: 2027 RWC bids

Postby victorsra » Fri, 18 Dec 2020, 20:50

I don't think so.

The reason to award 2027 and 2031 together IMO is to copy the 2015-2019 formula: one safe market followed by a bet. In this case, USA or Russia are the bets.

(of course Japan was MUCH safer bet than USA or Russia, because rugby was already big there for decades, but in the T1s eyes it was a bet)

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Re: 2027 RWC bids

Postby sk 88 » Fri, 18 Dec 2020, 21:06

snapper37 wrote:
sk 88 wrote:ANYWAY

With Russia banned from the bidding doesn't this mean we only have 1 official bidder for 2027 and 2031? World Rugby will need a re-think on the double award at this rate.



Russia didn't have a chance anyways. 2027 is/was always going to Australia. 2031, I'm hoping it goes to Italy, Argentina or South Africa (really anybody other than the States)



But as it stands 2031 is getting awarded in May 2022 and there is no one bidding for it at all.

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Re: 2027 RWC bids

Postby sk 88 » Fri, 18 Dec 2020, 21:08

victorsra wrote:I don't think so.

The reason to award 2027 and 2031 together IMO is to copy the 2015-2019 formula: one safe market followed by a bet. In this case, USA or Russia are the bets.

(of course Japan was MUCH safer bet than USA or Russia, because rugby was already big there for decades, but in the T1s eyes it was a bet)


Yes indeed. Italy would be a similar "bet" to Japan in the eyes of the most conservative sect that dominate world rugby. I wonder if Japan may bid again for 2031 even? After all UK hosted in 91 and 99 (and 2015)

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Re: 2027 RWC bids

Postby victorsra » Fri, 18 Dec 2020, 21:20

The number of varsity teams in USA is impressive, which suggests it might be not so wild choice, while Russia has government money to bid, which also might seduce (letting the current issues aside).

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Re: 2027 RWC bids

Postby TheStroBro » Sat, 19 Dec 2020, 04:26

sk 88 wrote:
snapper37 wrote:
sk 88 wrote:ANYWAY

With Russia banned from the bidding doesn't this mean we only have 1 official bidder for 2027 and 2031? World Rugby will need a re-think on the double award at this rate.



Russia didn't have a chance anyways. 2027 is/was always going to Australia. 2031, I'm hoping it goes to Italy, Argentina or South Africa (really anybody other than the States)



But as it stands 2031 is getting awarded in May 2022 and there is no one bidding for it at all.


The US has submitted it's documentation for it's intent to bid for 2027/2031 award cycle. USAR with partners is currently executing a feasibility study.

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Re: 2027 RWC bids

Postby victorsra » Sat, 19 Dec 2020, 13:52

TheStroBro wrote:
sk 88 wrote:
snapper37 wrote:
sk 88 wrote:ANYWAY

With Russia banned from the bidding doesn't this mean we only have 1 official bidder for 2027 and 2031? World Rugby will need a re-think on the double award at this rate.



Russia didn't have a chance anyways. 2027 is/was always going to Australia. 2031, I'm hoping it goes to Italy, Argentina or South Africa (really anybody other than the States)



But as it stands 2031 is getting awarded in May 2022 and there is no one bidding for it at all.


The US has submitted it's documentation for it's intent to bid for 2027/2031 award cycle. USAR with partners is currently executing a feasibility study.


Also, Argentina and South Africa declared they won't bid, while there is no words about it from Italy AFAIK. ATM, it is Russia vs USA.

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Re: 2027 RWC bids

Postby sk 88 » Sat, 19 Dec 2020, 15:50

TheStroBro wrote:
sk 88 wrote:
snapper37 wrote:
sk 88 wrote:ANYWAY

With Russia banned from the bidding doesn't this mean we only have 1 official bidder for 2027 and 2031? World Rugby will need a re-think on the double award at this rate.



Russia didn't have a chance anyways. 2027 is/was always going to Australia. 2031, I'm hoping it goes to Italy, Argentina or South Africa (really anybody other than the States)



But as it stands 2031 is getting awarded in May 2022 and there is no one bidding for it at all.


The US has submitted it's documentation for it's intent to bid for 2027/2031 award cycle. USAR with partners is currently executing a feasibility study.


Thanks for the update, didn't realise USA had done that. :thumbup:

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Re: 2027 RWC bids

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Re: 2027 RWC bids

Postby ficcp » Sat, 19 Dec 2020, 17:44

thatrugbyguy wrote:That still doesn’t help. Maybe you’re not as interested in getting more people knowing about T2/T3rugby, but some of us here are. If you’ve got issues with something WDA does, or whatever organisation you have issues with, then sure, state your grievances. But for crying out loud people get turned off when it’s said this way and will stop any interested newcomer from wanting to join up and talking about the game in T2 nation and brining new ideas as to how to help grow the sport in these nations. Less people interested, less potential fans, less information, less chance of the sport gaining popularity. As I said this is one of the few places on the entire internet where T2 rugby is discussed, and I want as many people to learn about rugby in nations like Russia, Spain, Brazil. So think about this going forward.


Excellent post. I agree completely.

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Re: 2027 RWC bids

Postby snapper37 » Sat, 19 Dec 2020, 18:26

TheStroBro wrote:
sk 88 wrote:
snapper37 wrote:
sk 88 wrote:ANYWAY

With Russia banned from the bidding doesn't this mean we only have 1 official bidder for 2027 and 2031? World Rugby will need a re-think on the double award at this rate.



Russia didn't have a chance anyways. 2027 is/was always going to Australia. 2031, I'm hoping it goes to Italy, Argentina or South Africa (really anybody other than the States)



But as it stands 2031 is getting awarded in May 2022 and there is no one bidding for it at all.


The US has submitted it's documentation for it's intent to bid for 2027/2031 award cycle. USAR with partners is currently executing a feasibility study.



Lets hope another nation puts in their paper work for 2031 also. (ITALY)

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Re: 2027 RWC bids

Postby Canalina » Sat, 19 Dec 2020, 18:55

Very unlikely

Furthermore in the next months (beginning of spring?) there will be the election for the Italian Federation chairman and, as far as I know, no one of the several candidates inserted a World Cup bid in his program

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Re: 2027 RWC bids

Postby BSFC » Wed, 23 Dec 2020, 17:24

Chester-Donnelly wrote:I have been made to feel unwelcome on every forum I have been on, except this one.

You were made to feel unwelcome because you were spamming everyone about a sport they have little or no interest in. You then called a regular poster a misogynist and got absolutely crucified by a different poster



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And is a guy with the following comments really in a position to be calling others misogynists:

- Russian women would be well suited to netball because they're tall and hot. Imagine female basketball players, only hot.

- Women's basketball in America has become very much a lesbian sport, which is limiting its appeal with women (except lesbians) and sports fans.


Who the hell are you? I never said those things. Must be someone else with the same name. Women's basketball is awesome.

Coincidentally the other Chester Donnelly has started editing their posts:

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Postby Chester-Donnelly » Wed, 24 Jun 2020, 17:03

Australia down in last place. They want to be good at everything. There is no point in Great Britain even trying at handball. I'd be surprised if we even entered a team. We need to invest only in basketball and netball. However, if a country like Russia, Serbia or USA wanted to be suddenly good at netball I am sure they good do it very quickly.
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Your claims there are two Chester Donnellys gave everyone a gpod laugh, as did your frantic editing on Monday evening.
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Re: 2027 RWC bids

Postby victorsra » Thu, 24 Dec 2020, 17:58

Look what I found: https://emubox.net/en/games/rugby-world ... mega-drive

I did not remember, but EA Sports RWC 95 game had many T2/3 countries! You could play with Latvia, Czech Rep, Morocco.... They included all RWC 1995 teams + many others.

It would be great if the bids included projects of partnerships for new RWC video games. It is crucial to have a video game with so many national teams included.

I loved FIFA 1998 because it realy included +-200 countries (all countries that played the WC Qualy.... from major powers to tiny islands, it was awesome). https://emubox.net/en/games/fifa-road-t ... up-98-snes

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Re: 2027 RWC bids

Postby vino_93 » Fri, 25 Dec 2020, 00:31

Yes, FIFA games were crazy in this time. I had 2001 I think, that was the same. They didn't know the player (that was number 1, number 2 ...), but that was so fun to have many countries.

When you see now how many countries there are... For a game which is FIFA approved, that's terrible.

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Re: 2027 RWC bids

Postby TheStroBro » Fri, 25 Dec 2020, 22:52

victorsra wrote:Look what I found: https://emubox.net/en/games/rugby-world ... mega-drive

I did not remember, but EA Sports RWC 95 game had many T2/3 countries! You could play with Latvia, Czech Rep, Morocco.... They included all RWC 1995 teams + many others.

It would be great if the bids included projects of partnerships for new RWC video games. It is crucial to have a video game with so many national teams included.

I loved FIFA 1998 because it realy included +-200 countries (all countries that played the WC Qualy.... from major powers to tiny islands, it was awesome). https://emubox.net/en/games/fifa-road-t ... up-98-snes


A high end game publisher was key, I think without the FIFA games by EA, MLS would not be nearly as popular and the popularity of the national team would be far less as well.

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Re: 2027 RWC bids

Postby victorsra » Sun, 27 Dec 2020, 13:21

vino_93 wrote:Yes, FIFA games were crazy in this time. I had 2001 I think, that was the same. They didn't know the player (that was number 1, number 2 ...), but that was so fun to have many countries.

When you see now how many countries there are... For a game which is FIFA approved, that's terrible.


You could win the World Cup with Vanuatu or Guinea-Bissau. It was awesome.

A high end game publisher was key, I think without the FIFA games by EA, MLS would not be nearly as popular and the popularity of the national team would be far less as well.



Yeah.

SEGA did the Olympics 2020 game. First one since 2012. It has rugby sevens:


But definitly Mario & Sonic has a bigger impact:

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Re: 2027 RWC bids

Postby victorsra » Sun, 27 Dec 2020, 13:54

Another obvious thing that the Rugby World Cup lacks are sticker collections, either physical or online. Panini's FIFA World Cup collections are incredibly popular. At least here, it is even popular with kids, no matter it looks outdates, it isn't. And it evolved.

But many people buy FIFA WC stickers because they had those for a long time. It is a tradition. Rugby had sticker collections in the past. When it stopped? 2003? Why? Wasn't selling?

Obivously, in T2 countries it would only work the online version. There wouldn't be market to sell physical stickers.

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Re: 2027 RWC bids

Postby victorsra » Mon, 01 Feb 2021, 21:19

:lol: "Home nations weigh up joint bid for 2031 Rugby World Cup" https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/ ... -world-cup

Who doubts they'll win it? Would be terrible and nothing surprising.

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Re: 2027 RWC bids

Postby thatrugbyguy » Tue, 02 Feb 2021, 07:13

I remember WR saying explicitly after 2007 that there would be no more of this nonsense.

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Re: 2027 RWC bids

Postby jservuk » Thu, 04 Feb 2021, 00:14

victorsra wrote::lol: "Home nations weigh up joint bid for 2031 Rugby World Cup" https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/ ... -world-cup

Who doubts they'll win it? Would be terrible and nothing surprising.


I'd like them to bid, to give the game a chance to show that the old cartel doesn't get its way and stop expansion to new frontiers.

I cannot believe is Russia or Spain for 2031 bid it would lose out to Home Nations.

However, if the Home Nations want to bid to recoup from Covid losses, I think it would be better to have RWC is 2025, 2027 2029 and 2031. Give the Home Nations the 'extra' ones and the 2027 and 2031 to expansion nations.

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Re: 2027 RWC bids

Postby Rebus » Thu, 04 Feb 2021, 01:57

jservuk wrote:
victorsra wrote::lol: "Home nations weigh up joint bid for 2031 Rugby World Cup" https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/ ... -world-cup

Who doubts they'll win it? Would be terrible and nothing surprising.


I'd like them to bid, to give the game a chance to show that the old cartel doesn't get its way and stop expansion to new frontiers.

I cannot believe is Russia or Spain for 2031 bid it would lose out to Home Nations.

However, if the Home Nations want to bid to recoup from Covid losses, I think it would be better to have RWC is 2025, 2027 2029 and 2031. Give the Home Nations the 'extra' ones and the 2027 and 2031 to expansion nations.


Would be shameful if the Home Nations were to get another one soon. They have already been involved in the hosting of 3 out of the 10 announced world cups and in the intervening years get lucrative Lions tours which require the entire global calendar to be based around. Additionally , any Nations League proposal cant disrupt the even more lucrative 6 nations which also is exempt from relegation.
At which point does the old boys network stop financing the Home Nations cartel? Rant over.

But honestly , going forward there should be a greater emphasis on letting the game grow. Am pretty sure Australia will get the next world cup , but there needs to be an emphasis on letting new markets host the tournament. Would much rather the world cups were put into different continents where possible on an alternating basis , Asia , Europe , Oceania , Americas , Africa and repeat. If it was in Europe , would prefer to see Spain or Russia host it , but would much rather tournaments went to the Americas or give South Africa another chance to host (possibly with games in Namibia)

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Re: 2027 RWC bids

Postby ficcp » Thu, 04 Feb 2021, 02:08

The choice would be between Development of the Sport (RWC in USA, Russia or Spain) or cash for the Home Unions. At least WR will have to show its cards and preferences clearly.
INMHO a 2031 RWC in USA could produce a high revenue, but it would not fill the pockets of the Home Unions.

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Re: 2027 RWC bids

Postby victorsra » Thu, 04 Feb 2021, 03:31

The RWC is a great part of WR's revenue, which is used, among other things, to development. This means the RWC is the competition that must generate money, it is not a competition that the venue is chosen to help development. Japan was never a realy risky choice. There were doubts and fears(specialy among people that knew nothing about Japan), of course, but it wasn't a bold bet.

I do think USA , Russia or Spain can eventualy become succesful venues, but WR, after all economic downturns of the pandemics, will likely make a safe choice. They can't risk their main revenue source. It doesn't mean we must appreciate an UK RWC, but if they win it will be understandable, unfortunatly.

IMO, a very cool option would be Italy. Not a bold bet, but definitly different. However, it doesn't look they'll bid.

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Re: 2027 RWC bids

Postby thatrugbyguy » Thu, 04 Feb 2021, 10:17

Ireland have apparently poured water on the Uk bid saying it's little more than informal discussion at this stage.

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