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2027 RWC bids

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Re: 2027 RWC bids

Postby jservuk » Thu, 04 Feb 2021, 11:28

Looking global development and at keeping the Home Nations' coffers healthy, would a bi-annual RWC tick all the boxes?

That way they could alternate between home nations and new frontiers without 'losing time'.

Football is different because it has its Euros, Copa America, ACoN, etc to fill the hole between its World Cup. Other than British Lions tours, which I think blocks the development of the game globally, the RWC stands on its own, so could if there was teh will shift to being bi-annual.

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Re: 2027 RWC bids

Postby TheStroBro » Thu, 04 Feb 2021, 14:34

Well the Lions in itself blocks the global development as wel.

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Re: 2027 RWC bids

Postby Raven » Thu, 04 Feb 2021, 15:02

victorsra wrote:The RWC is a great part of WR's revenue, which is used, among other things, to development. This means the RWC is the competition that must generate money, it is not a competition that the venue is chosen to help development. Japan was never a realy risky choice. There were doubts and fears(specialy among people that knew nothing about Japan), of course, but it wasn't a bold bet.

I do think USA , Russia or Spain can eventualy become succesful venues, but WR, after all economic downturns of the pandemics, will likely make a safe choice. They can't risk their main revenue source. It doesn't mean we must appreciate an UK RWC, but if they win it will be understandable, unfortunatly.

IMO, a very cool option would be Italy. Not a bold bet, but definitly different. However, it doesn't look they'll bid.


Agreed.
Also with the last point; Italy as a host would be great. As would USA, Russia or Spain. All countries have had World Cups and Olympic Games cities in the country, can certainly host a RWC due to stadia, info structure, accommodation, DMC's etc. What they ALL lack, is the political Rugby arm, the "oomph" that could accommodate things their way, so as you said, UK just need to mention an interest and they will become the strongest candidate from the get go.

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Re: 2027 RWC bids

Postby snapper37 » Thu, 04 Feb 2021, 20:09

I believe the 2027 World Cup is going to Australia for sure. As for 2031, I thought I read that Russia can't bid due to their performance drug issue. Personally South Africa alone or with Namibia, Argentina with Uruguay or Italy would all be fantastic places to hold it.

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Re: 2027 RWC bids

Postby victorsra » Thu, 04 Feb 2021, 20:16

An Italy-Spain joint bid could be awesome, uniting a T1 with a T2, both very close to other T2s, which means definitly success.

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Re: 2027 RWC bids

Postby Armchair Fan » Thu, 04 Feb 2021, 20:38

Italy has never shown any interest to help any Tier 2.

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Re: 2027 RWC bids

Postby victorsra » Thu, 04 Feb 2021, 20:46

I don't think they would have a joint bid. But that would be smart, because they depend on soccer stadiums (and not all stadiums there are in good shape...), in the middle of soccer's season. With Spain splitting matches with Italy, they could manage very well the fixtures. Also, aoth are countries that don't host FIFA WCs or UEFA Euro s for more than 30 years (by 2031, more than 40 years) and the RWC is an event with such taste, which means it could have a very nice impact.

But we know it won't happen, sadly.

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Re: 2027 RWC bids

Postby snapper37 » Fri, 05 Feb 2021, 01:43

Armchair Fan wrote:Italy has never shown any interest to help any Tier 2.



Italy is rank 14th in the world which would make them tier 2 country.

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Re: 2027 RWC bids

Postby Armchair Fan » Fri, 05 Feb 2021, 01:56

We all know being Tier 1 or 2 isn't a question of ranking. I just say that it's delusional to think Italy would give up anything from a RWC bid (if they ever gave it a go again) to a Tier 2 country based on their attitude towards them. It would make sense with Argentina, but not with Italy.

And let's not forget that these multinational bids that aren't 50/50 often fall through. France also planned sometimes to give Italy some games for 2023 only to finally host everything. Japan was also supposed to look at Singapore or Hong Kong.

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Re: 2027 RWC bids

Postby TheStroBro » Fri, 05 Feb 2021, 02:39

snapper37 wrote:
Armchair Fan wrote:Italy has never shown any interest to help any Tier 2.



Italy is rank 14th in the world which would make them tier 2 country.


Nope. Tier 1 vs. Tier 2 is all about budgets. Japan gained Tier 1 status because they no longer required World Rugby High Performance support.

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Re: 2027 RWC bids

Postby victorsra » Fri, 05 Feb 2021, 02:42

Tier 1 has nothing to do with Ranking and it is more than mere budget. Tier 1 is power, influence in decision making organizations. It can be measured by how many VOTES in the World Rugby Council a country has and of how many organizations a country is a stakeholder.

Italy has 3 votes in the WR Council and a stake of the 6N Ltd, EPCR and PRO16. Japan has 2 seats in the WR Council and nothing else (but they do have a league rising). Italy has much more direct influence over global rugby than Japan. However, it is clear, the size of the Japanese market and the power of their league in the future are driving them towards a T1 position, but that is yet to be transformed in influence inside WR.

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