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[victorsra Profile Website]

So, it makes no difference. But gives ideas of how to make a better event. And he proved it is possible to engage people

It does make a difference. Perhaps some folks who would have gone to support Arrows with paid tickets choose to go to Wolfpack with free tickets and that's enough for them. Yes, you can engage people if you have the money to burn. I mean, I know how to make a Brazilian rugby league that averages 50k... have a giant pop super star concert before and after every game and sell tickets dirt cheap... I just don't know how to make it make money. I also don't have the money to make it happen

It doesn't make sense. If they like Union and see value on followig the Arrows they'll be there. The Wolfpack free ticket is a bonus. People can like many things that compete for people's time. Wolfpack is a small one, a detail in a big city with too many sports. As I said, it might make a different in the fixtures. But not so much, as Wolfpack spend months in England. In the end, it is all up to the Arrows engaging people that already like rugby - and, after this, others. Wolfpack is much less relevant than it looks like.

Also obviously I am not talking about burning money, so not talking about COPYING. It is the simple idea of benchmarking, see what is working for another reality and see what can you do in your own reality. Adapt according to your possibilities .This is not difficult to understand.

[TheStroBro Profile]

Comparatively the Arrows have done very well and their number of comp tickets per match has been under 100 in S2 of MLR. Whereas the number of comps the Wolfpack had was a four digit number. The Arrows were not struggling for attendance.

[Grayday88 Profile]

It’s sad to see them not finish the season but whilst Covid has forced them to not finish the season there has been rumours about players being paid late and bills not being paid even before the pandemic. This is from December 2018 https://www.seriousaboutrl.com/wolfpack ... -up-18533/

[sk 88 Profile Website]

https://www.patreon.com/posts/39588405

A detailed post from a rugby league perspective on the Wolfpack.

[snapper37 Profile]

https://www.patreon.com/posts/39588405

A detailed post from a rugby league perspective on the Wolfpack.

"Owner David Argyle recently revealed he has spent $30 million (Canadian) - roughly £17.6 million - since the club was founded in 2017" What a waste of money, this isn't a League Nation.

[victorsra Profile Website]

Was he that naive?

I always thought the best investment in Super League would be the 2nd French team.

Anyway, Ottawa Aces belongs to him as well?

[Grayday88 Profile]

The Ottawa team was formed by Eric Perez who formed the Wolfpack but left them in 2017. No idea who the owner is though. Question for our Canadian friends what is the likelihood that a new owner comes in I know four parties are interested

[iul Profile]

The Ottawa team was formed by Eric Perez who formed the Wolfpack but left them in 2017. No idea who the owner is though. Question for our Canadian friends what is the likelihood that a new owner comes in I know four parties are interested

Hard to see why anyone would want to own a sports team playing an unknown sport to the wider Canadian public and that has lost 30 million $ CAD over its first four years.

[Grayday88 Profile]

That’s true also the players having been paid for three months so you would need to take on a debt of about £2million. Ultimately I just don’t see how a transatlantic team in Super League is viable the competition doesn’t generate enough revenue

[ihateblazers Profile]

Honestly, why did David Argyle ever get involved in Rugby League. He is a former rugby union player. I see that he wanted to get involved in rugby union but there were issues with getting north american sides playing in other countries. He could get involved in the MLR. Far less expenses and a sustainable goal in mind.

[grande Profile]

It was going to be a hard sell from the start, but Super League and the RFL have both put up pretty steep barriers to the Wolfpack's success.

I went to a handful of games, and the game day experience was truly stellar. Their branding was excellent. I'm still a much bigger Union fan, but it's a shame to lose them.

[Rebus Profile]

I think if there had been the same groundswell as the MLR had , it may have been a starter to get a North American division set up. But running a stand alone team like this is just a money pit.

The growth of MLR is going to kill off any interest for a number of years. If he had this sort of money , he could easily have made a success in MLR with another Canadian team

[victorsra Profile Website]

It was going to be a hard sell from the start, but Super League and the RFL have both put up pretty steep barriers to the Wolfpack's success.

I went to a handful of games, and the game day experience was truly stellar. Their branding was excellent. I'm still a much bigger Union fan, but it's a shame to lose them.

Yes, the Arrows should benchmark the Wolfpack. Probably some things can't be done the same way, because Wolfpack had more money, but still they delivered something interesting.

[Grayday88 Profile]

It was going to be a hard sell from the start, but Super League and the RFL have both put up pretty steep barriers to the Wolfpack's success.

I went to a handful of games, and the game day experience was truly stellar. Their branding was excellent. I'm still a much bigger Union fan, but it's a shame to lose them.

True. I think that the RFL expected them to fail so put an agreement in place that denied TWP central funding. However there where other issues namely that Super League has struggled over the past few years and I don’t see how they were ever going to create enough revenue to cover flights, accommodation and wages for opposing players. Ultimately there’s part of me that wonders why they didn’t just create an MLR style league in North America

[thatrugbyguy Profile]

They didn't start a league because like many things with rugby league no-one wanted to put in the 20 years of work at the grassroots level to make it succeed. I instinctively knew this Wolfpack experiment was likely to fall over eventually because when it was first launched because some of the exact same mistakes that had been done in the past by rugby league were on display again. And I don't understand it. I mean, I get it, the people who love the sport want to get a foot into the North American market. Rugby League people have always dreamed of getting there before rugby union and planting the flag first. I get that, I understand they think their sport is the better of the two codes and suited to North Americans more. But it's the same thing every time, whether it's expanding to Perth or Adelaide, or London, or where ever the sport tries to break new ground, no-one has a plan in place other than build from the top down. It's always quick fixes with rugby league. Play a test match in Denver, host the World Cup in North America in 2025, open the NRL season in Los Angeles, etc. You're never going to win people over that way. MLR is starting small and gradually building itself up, there have been some stumbles along the way but it's gradually working itself up from the ground to hopefully one day becoming as well known a professional league as every other rugby competition in the world, a genuine destination for players in North and South America to make a living playing the game. The Wolfpack are simply going to join the list of failed attempts by rugby league because there was no attempt to build from the ground up. Knowing people from the sport, they get blinded by the potential that they fail to see the reality - that they need a better plan.