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Re: Canadian rugby

Postby Grayday88 » Sat, 26 Sep 2020, 10:22

Canadian_Rugger wrote:News of the Toronto Wolfpack's impending demise might be a bit premature ;)

New owner has emerged to buy the club, reached an agreement with the players union to pay the players and also has most of the clubs onside (at least the ones that matter).

Robert Elstone, the Super League chairman is apparently not in favour but St Helens, Wigan, Leeds and Catalans all want them back. Apparently only three clubs: probably Wakefield, Hull FC and Hull KR (i.e. the clubs that have the most to lose if they are let back in) absolutely do not want them back.

The RFL also want them back and have made it clear they want them as well as Ottawa and eventually New York in the competition.

Toronto have been given a one month extension to answer a couple of questions Super League owners have.
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From reading reports it appears that the owner hasn’t provided evidence of funds and had no covid contingency plan. He also reportedly asked for a two year exemption from relegation which went down like a lead balloon. Basically it’s still in the balance but the business plan needs to be better

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Re: Canadian rugby

Postby TheStroBro » Sat, 26 Sep 2020, 18:45

Grayday88 wrote:
Canadian_Rugger wrote:News of the Toronto Wolfpack's impending demise might be a bit premature ;)

New owner has emerged to buy the club, reached an agreement with the players union to pay the players and also has most of the clubs onside (at least the ones that matter).

Robert Elstone, the Super League chairman is apparently not in favour but St Helens, Wigan, Leeds and Catalans all want them back. Apparently only three clubs: probably Wakefield, Hull FC and Hull KR (i.e. the clubs that have the most to lose if they are let back in) absolutely do not want them back.

The RFL also want them back and have made it clear they want them as well as Ottawa and eventually New York in the competition.

Toronto have been given a one month extension to answer a couple of questions Super League owners have.
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From reading reports it appears that the owner hasn’t provided evidence of funds and had no covid contingency plan. He also reportedly asked for a two year exemption from relegation which went down like a lead balloon. Basically it’s still in the balance but the business plan needs to be better


Well, Carlo LiVolsi hasn't bought the team yet, this is beyond convoluted and I still have no idea why the Super League clubs are messing around with a cross-atlantic expansion when they require the teams over here to pay for their travel.

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Re: Canadian rugby

Postby Grayday88 » Sat, 26 Sep 2020, 19:14

TheStroBro wrote:
Grayday88 wrote:
Canadian_Rugger wrote:News of the Toronto Wolfpack's impending demise might be a bit premature ;)


From reading reports it appears that the owner hasn’t provided evidence of funds and had no covid contingency plan. He also reportedly asked for a two year exemption from relegation which went down like a lead balloon. Basically it’s still in the balance but the business plan needs to be better


Well, Carlo LiVolsi hasn't bought the team yet, this is beyond convoluted and I still have no idea why the Super League clubs are messing around with a cross-atlantic expansion when they require the teams over here to pay for their travel.


I think the RFL saw the dollar signs and didn’t have a viable plan for North America. The clubs are only worried about short term survival and are unwilling to provide up any tv money. Also looking at this from as a casual RL fan from outside the RL heartlands having a Canadian team in the competition just doesn’t make sense look to expand the game closer to home first

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Re: Canadian rugby

Postby snapper37 » Sun, 27 Sep 2020, 01:09

Figaro wrote:
snapper37 wrote:To top off hiring a welsh criminal they let go multiple Canadians during this time. AKA Charron


Have you read up on what he actually did? It sounds like he had a serious addiction and compulsive mental health problem that led him to do something he knew was against the rules, rather than deliberately tried to make a personal profit by fiddling the system. His fall from grace is the price he paid but "criminal" seems a bit harsh.


"serious addiction and compulsive mental health problem" Sounds like someone that Canada should hire. Hide him in the equivalent to a Rugby dead zone and hope the he can turn a leaf. Not sure why Canadians have to lose their jobs over him.....

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Re: Canadian rugby

Postby snapper37 » Sun, 27 Sep 2020, 01:15

Grayday88 wrote:
TheStroBro wrote:
Grayday88 wrote:
Canadian_Rugger wrote:News of the Toronto Wolfpack's impending demise might be a bit premature ;)


From reading reports it appears that the owner hasn’t provided evidence of funds and had no covid contingency plan. He also reportedly asked for a two year exemption from relegation which went down like a lead balloon. Basically it’s still in the balance but the business plan needs to be better


Well, Carlo LiVolsi hasn't bought the team yet, this is beyond convoluted and I still have no idea why the Super League clubs are messing around with a cross-atlantic expansion when they require the teams over here to pay for their travel.


I think the RFL saw the dollar signs and didn’t have a viable plan for North America. The clubs are only worried about short term survival and are unwilling to provide up any tv money. Also looking at this from as a casual RL fan from outside the RL heartlands having a Canadian team in the competition just doesn’t make sense look to expand the game closer to home first



There isn't any history of League in Canada, No domestic league, no provincial and no age grade system. Too bad they don't put their money into the MLR and try to expand teams in Canada, don't care where

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Re: Canadian rugby

Postby Figaro » Sun, 27 Sep 2020, 19:01

snapper37 wrote:
Figaro wrote:
snapper37 wrote:To top off hiring a welsh criminal they let go multiple Canadians during this time. AKA Charron


Have you read up on what he actually did? It sounds like he had a serious addiction and compulsive mental health problem that led him to do something he knew was against the rules, rather than deliberately tried to make a personal profit by fiddling the system. His fall from grace is the price he paid but "criminal" seems a bit harsh.


"serious addiction and compulsive mental health problem" Sounds like someone that Canada should hire. Hide him in the equivalent to a Rugby dead zone and hope the he can turn a leaf. Not sure why Canadians have to lose their jobs over him.....


Give the man a chance is all I'm saying. There isn't a Canadian with his experience.

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Re: Canadian rugby

Postby Canadian_Rugger » Sun, 27 Sep 2020, 20:08

I would much rather Rugby Canada hire a guy like Howley than give more "jobs for the boys" which is entirely what hiring Al Charron and Gareth Rees is all about.

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Re: Canadian rugby

Postby snapper37 » Mon, 28 Sep 2020, 16:46

Canadian_Rugger wrote:I would much rather Rugby Canada hire a guy like Howley than give more "jobs for the boys" which is entirely what hiring Al Charron and Gareth Rees is all about.



Agree on the Rees comment, he's been the one constant in our continual slide into oblivion. We continually to hire these overseas professional coaches and where has that got us "23rd in the world". We have a Canadian Identity problem with our rugby and having two Welsh blokes and a Britt running our rugby aren't going to change that?

My Point is we had to let go of a few Canadians in the system during COVID, not Rees though :) and then hire a Welsh cheat. When is our next game international game 2022? What was the point.

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Re: Canadian rugby

Postby victorsra » Mon, 28 Sep 2020, 17:30

It was in this forum people said the Wolfpack owner is a Australian guy, Rugby League fan. He loves League, not Union, and tried to invest in a new market. Right? So the "he should put the money on MLR" is not a real thing.

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Re: Canadian rugby

Postby TheStroBro » Mon, 28 Sep 2020, 23:27

victorsra wrote:It was in this forum people said the Wolfpack owner is a Australian guy, Rugby League fan. He loves League, not Union, and tried to invest in a new market. Right? So the "he should put the money on MLR" is not a real thing.

Well Argyle played Union when he got his MBA at the University of Michigan. He's also from Perth and

https://www.msn.com/en-au/sport/rugby-l ... ar-BBWsIqg

I'm going to guess that he never played Rugby League growing up as there's limited Rugby League presence in WA compared to Union.

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Re: Canadian rugby

Postby victorsra » Tue, 29 Sep 2020, 14:04

If he is also a Union fan it is a big fail that Rugby Canada couldn't persuade him...

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Re: Canadian rugby

Postby snapper37 » Tue, 29 Sep 2020, 15:49

victorsra wrote:If he is also a Union fan it is a big fail that Rugby Canada couldn't persuade him...



Pretty stupid of him to think he could make a League city in a Union country when there isn't any notable League played anywhere.

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Re: Canadian rugby

Postby victorsra » Tue, 29 Sep 2020, 16:32

Well, do we know if he ever talked to Rugby Canada?

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Re: Canadian rugby

Postby TheStroBro » Tue, 29 Sep 2020, 17:09

Rugby Canada's cuts. https://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/ ... ovid-19-2/

Now I'm really confused why Howley was even hired, if they can't pay staff, certainly they can't afford another coach?

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Re: Canadian rugby

Postby grande » Wed, 30 Sep 2020, 13:32

"CEO Allen Vansen says 15 of the organization’s 46 staff have been affected"

When you're cutting 33% of your staff, maybe now isn't the time to bring in a new overseas coach.

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Re: Canadian rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Wed, 30 Sep 2020, 13:52

You never know what kind of agreement and contract he has and how much World Rugby is subsidising the appointment.

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Re: Canadian rugby

Postby armchair_expert » Wed, 30 Sep 2020, 14:00

aren't overseas coaches paid by World Rugby?
https://twitter.com/dominicrumbles/stat ... 4200179712

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Re: Canadian rugby

Postby snapper37 » Wed, 30 Sep 2020, 17:45

grande wrote:"CEO Allen Vansen says 15 of the organization’s 46 staff have been affected"

When you're cutting 33% of your staff, maybe now isn't the time to bring in a new overseas coach.




Totally... Considering that we aren't even playing games for the foreseeable future why even bother.

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Re: Canadian rugby

Postby TheStroBro » Wed, 30 Sep 2020, 17:54

armchair_expert wrote:aren't overseas coaches paid by World Rugby?
https://twitter.com/dominicrumbles/stat ... 4200179712


Which has created a problem for some countries, WR likes to stick their nose in who Unions hire. However, he shouldn't be on their list at all tbh.

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Re: Canadian rugby

Postby jonny24 » Thu, 01 Oct 2020, 11:19

The dual role with the Arrows also makes him different than most of the other employees.
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Re: Canadian rugby

Postby Was_a_Kat » Thu, 01 Oct 2020, 14:02

I’d rather spend money on a decent coach than admin. Howley’s issues have created an opportunity.

We all live Al, but his role is just figurehead/gladhander. I think Gareth has an actual administrative role, but it wouldn’t bother me if he was axed. He had so much fan equity as a player and it’s all gone now.

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Re: Canadian rugby

Postby snapper37 » Thu, 01 Oct 2020, 19:24

This is how to make Canadian Rugby Competitive again. DON'T COPY OTHER TEAMS, do what has worked for us and strengthen it.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reNhCG- ... ture=share

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Re: Canadian rugby

Postby victorsra » Thu, 01 Oct 2020, 20:41

snapper37 wrote:This is how to make Canadian Rugby Competitive again. DON'T COPY OTHER TEAMS, do what has worked for us and strengthen it.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reNhCG- ... ture=share


And what that means?

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Re: Canadian rugby

Postby snapper37 » Sun, 04 Oct 2020, 19:01

victorsra wrote:
snapper37 wrote:This is how to make Canadian Rugby Competitive again. DON'T COPY OTHER TEAMS, do what has worked for us and strengthen it.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reNhCG- ... ture=share


And what that means?



Canadian Rugby has traditionally been a hard forward dominate game very similar to say Georgia. What has happened over the last two decades is that we fly in foreign coaches (forced by the IRB) that wanted us to play an expansive skill based game when we don't have enough of those kind of players. We need to play a style that suits our players not what is the trend around the world. David would never beat Goliath if he played Goliath at his game.

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Re: Canadian rugby

Postby victorsra » Sun, 04 Oct 2020, 19:36

Yes, for sure, each country must use its own stenghts...

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