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Re: Superliga Americana de Rugby (SLAR)

Postby Armchair Fan » Fri, 10 Apr 2020, 09:09

Once again, there is no guarantee they would welcome us.

I'm not a fan of the idea, I just think I understand the rationale behind it.

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Re: Superliga Americana de Rugby (SLAR)

Postby Chester-Donnelly » Fri, 10 Apr 2020, 09:44

I am not in favour of having European teams in SLAR. I feel like rugby is out of step with environmental concerns of unnecessary travel. Professional rugby should exist within countries or regions. I am not completely against travel, but I think rugby teams should be undertaking intercontinental travel only once or twice a year, for a tour or to play in a tournament. An Iberian team of Spaniards and Portuguese players touring South America, playing SLAR teams would be a better option, and something I would definitely like to watch.

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Re: Superliga Americana de Rugby (SLAR)

Postby Armchair Fan » Fri, 10 Apr 2020, 12:58

Revista Veintidós quotes FER sources denying any talk with SLAR, Hourcade or their entourage
https://twitter.com/veinti2/status/1248587690280452096

Yet opposition candidate talked about SLAR as a viable alternative for Spanish rugby less than 48 hours ago...

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Re: Superliga Americana de Rugby (SLAR)

Postby 4N » Fri, 10 Apr 2020, 15:46

while Russia and Romania would follow Georgia to Currie Cup


That’s probably the worst rugby idea I have ever heard. Romania joining the Italian league would make a lot more sense.

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Re: Superliga Americana de Rugby (SLAR)

Postby victorsra » Fri, 10 Apr 2020, 16:05

I honestly believe intercontinental leagues will suffer a major blow after covid-19. And I'm not talking exactly about travel. I'm talking about global recession.

SLAR's success in the near future lies in the ONLY real market it has: Argentina. Unfortunatly Argentine rugby is too complex and their economy is not doing well.

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Re: Superliga Americana de Rugby (SLAR)

Postby Chester-Donnelly » Fri, 10 Apr 2020, 17:13

4N wrote:
while Russia and Romania would follow Georgia to Currie Cup


That’s probably the worst rugby idea I have ever heard. Romania joining the Italian league would make a lot more sense.


I have suggested that before, on this forum, and I was shot down. Italians and Romanians don't like the idea. They mostly just want to just play in their own national league.

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Re: Superliga Americana de Rugby (SLAR)

Postby 4N » Fri, 10 Apr 2020, 17:53

Chester-Donnelly wrote:
4N wrote:
while Russia and Romania would follow Georgia to Currie Cup


That’s probably the worst rugby idea I have ever heard. Romania joining the Italian league would make a lot more sense.


I have suggested that before, on this forum, and I was shot down. Italians and Romanians don't like the idea. They mostly just want to just play in their own national league.


If they are looking for something cross border it’s a better alternative than basing a team thousands of miles away during their offseason.

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Re: Superliga Americana de Rugby (SLAR)

Postby victorsra » Fri, 10 Apr 2020, 17:58

it is difficult to predict what will happen with the sports economy after covid19. But those leagues operating in the borderline of professionalism may need to step back to an amateur operation. Why? Because they usualy rely on small/local sponsors (that will struggle now) and on local government (that will have less resources to invest in things like pro teams). Professional national teams will probably be more comercialy viable than clubs, but, as I said in another thread, intercontinental competitions might become inviable/too costly. Of course there is always the possibility of millionaires/billionaires funding teams/leagues, but this possibility existed before covid19 anyway...

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Re: Superliga Americana de Rugby (SLAR)

Postby Chester-Donnelly » Fri, 10 Apr 2020, 18:34

4N wrote:
Chester-Donnelly wrote:
4N wrote:
while Russia and Romania would follow Georgia to Currie Cup


That’s probably the worst rugby idea I have ever heard. Romania joining the Italian league would make a lot more sense.


I have suggested that before, on this forum, and I was shot down. Italians and Romanians don't like the idea. They mostly just want to just play in their own national league.


If they are looking for something cross border it’s a better alternative than basing a team thousands of miles away during their offseason.


I completely agree.

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Re: Superliga Americana de Rugby (SLAR)

Postby Higgik » Fri, 10 Apr 2020, 20:38

Chester-Donnelly wrote:
4N wrote:
Chester-Donnelly wrote:
4N wrote:
while Russia and Romania would follow Georgia to Currie Cup


That’s probably the worst rugby idea I have ever heard. Romania joining the Italian league would make a lot more sense.


I have suggested that before, on this forum, and I was shot down. Italians and Romanians don't like the idea. They mostly just want to just play in their own national league.


If they are looking for something cross border it’s a better alternative than basing a team thousands of miles away during their offseason.


I completely agree.

Yes, a combined league would work well and maybe in the longger term, both unions could be looking to France to combine their leagues into one league of say 32 teams 16 in each division.

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Re: Superliga Americana de Rugby (SLAR)

Postby victorsra » Fri, 10 Apr 2020, 20:58

I don't see any reason to do that. It won't create more money or fans, but would add more costs.

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Re: Superliga Americana de Rugby (SLAR)

Postby Chester-Donnelly » Sat, 11 Apr 2020, 02:40

victorsra wrote:I don't see any reason to do that. It won't create more money or fans, but would add more costs.


If the Kontinental Club Rugby League had gone ahead this year, teams from Romania would have flown to Siberia to play rugby. Italy is a much closer destination. But I guess the Russians would have paid for the flights. There's no money in Romanian rugby or Italian rugby. Flying to Romania would be a big cost, compared to travelling to another north Italian town on a coach. I do however think the Top 12 champions should play the Superliga champions. Surely that could be marketed, sponsored and televised and would cover costs at least.

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Re: Superliga Americana de Rugby (SLAR)

Postby victorsra » Sat, 11 Apr 2020, 14:38

I don't see a reason for an Italian fan to have more interesting in an Italian-Romanian league than in the current Italian Top 12. And I don't see any reason for a Romanian fan to have more interesting in an Italian-Romanian league than in the current Superliga. It won't bring more money and will only offer less chances for each club to be champions.

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Re: Superliga Americana de Rugby (SLAR)

Postby Canalina » Sun, 12 Apr 2020, 05:31

Chester-Donnelly wrote:
victorsra wrote:I don't see any reason to do that. It won't create more money or fans, but would add more costs.


If the Kontinental Club Rugby League had gone ahead this year, teams from Romania would have flown to Siberia to play rugby. Italy is a much closer destination. But I guess the Russians would have paid for the flights. There's no money in Romanian rugby or Italian rugby. Flying to Romania would be a big cost, compared to travelling to another north Italian town on a coach. I do however think the Top 12 champions should play the Superliga champions. Surely that could be marketed, sponsored and televised and would cover costs at least.

No, it wouldn't be marketed nor televised and probably it would not cover the costs, I assure you : )
No one in Italy feels rivalry with Romania and neither a special affinity, so the duel wouldn't have real meaning for us; it would be just a sort of unusual friendly game.
For an hypothetic Top12 champion v Superliga champion I predict 300 spectators on the stands in Italy; I don't know how much in Romania

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Re: Superliga Americana de Rugby (SLAR)

Postby victorsra » Fri, 17 Apr 2020, 14:47

Interview with Jean Luc Jadoul, CEO of the Brazilian Rugby Union: http://www.portaldorugby.com.br/noticia ... o-covid-19

We asked him about the future of Corinthians Rugby and he says all possibilities are on the table.

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Re: Superliga Americana de Rugby (SLAR)

Postby victorsra » Tue, 12 May 2020, 13:46

Interview with Fernando Portugal, Corinthians and Tupis coach. Lots of infos about how the Brazilian teams work http://www.portaldorugby.com.br/noticia ... o-ovalcast

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Re: Superliga Americana de Rugby (SLAR)

Postby victorsra » Fri, 22 May 2020, 21:06

Sudamerica Rugby launched an app, that is in fact focused on SLAR: https://www.sudamerica.rugby/espanol/su ... -3?nid=412

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Re: Superliga Americana de Rugby (SLAR)

Postby Tobar » Sun, 24 May 2020, 19:49

I just downloaded it. It’s surprisingly a well made app considering the fact that nonprofit organizations usually don’t have the best apps, especially for a niche sport.

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Re: Superliga Americana de Rugby (SLAR)

Postby NaBUru38 » Sat, 13 Jun 2020, 19:25

European teams in the SLAR? That's simply impossible.

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Re: Superliga Americana de Rugby (SLAR)

Postby Raven » Thu, 05 Nov 2020, 17:35

It is still difficult to predict what will happen with the league once all this has settled, but some news come from Argentina as there's some strong rumors that if the Jaguares cease to exist a second SLAR franchise will be formed. However it is unlikely that more than a handfull of the extended Jaguares squad take part in it as many have already left to Europe, some to Western Force and more will continue to leave (this also applies to Ceibos) so the chance of seeing any "Elite" players is almost 0.

The current situation in Argentina has also encouraged a big number of amateur players to "turn pro or semi-pro" in Italy and Spain during the pandemic.

I wonder if this loss is a gain for Argentine Rugby as this inevitably increases the pool of professional players still under the PLADAR system, or if the lack of Pumas in either of their franchises might lower the enthusiasm shown by Ceibos fans.... We just saw Argentina XV do fairly well with all things considered at the South American 4 Nations while another 42 guys were in Australia and there's still a big group in Europe either uncalled (ie. Creevy, Galarza, JP Socino, P Fernandez, A Müller, F Cordero...) or unable to travel (i.e, Sclavi & Moroni -inj- + Pieretto and Diaz Bonilla due to contract/visas)

Personally, I think now more than before, the SLAR popes should come up with a play off plan with either the MLR or Currie Cup to spice the competition and show where it stands...

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Re: Superliga Americana de Rugby (SLAR)

Postby victorsra » Thu, 05 Nov 2020, 17:45

Tobar wrote:I just downloaded it. It’s surprisingly a well made app considering the fact that nonprofit organizations usually don’t have the best apps, especially for a niche sport.

It is the same company and layout of UAR's app. Not sure what's the deal.

I don't like apps because it is one more thing in my phone, unless they offer something a website or YouTube can't offer with the same quality (like a big load of live stats). I thik it is a very positive development, but they should keep the broadcast open and listed on YouTube. I see the idea that people would download the app if the match is exclusively live there, but I think more people is pissed with the fact you can only watch on the app.

IMO, the app should work as a second screen. You watch the match on your TV (on Youtube or a TV channel) and use the app to follow stats. That's the ideal scenario for me.

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Re: Superliga Americana de Rugby (SLAR)

Postby Chester-Donnelly » Fri, 06 Nov 2020, 00:16

This really only summarises what we already know, but it does make the point that Argentina will probably have two teams in SLAR, and probably no Pumas.

https://www.americasrugbynews.com/2020/ ... -jaguares/

There is no future for Jaguares in Super Rugby. Super Rugby is now an Oceania competition.

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Re: Superliga Americana de Rugby (SLAR)

Postby thatrugbyguy » Fri, 06 Nov 2020, 07:01

Jags have brand recognition. It will help entice potential investors to SLAR if they join.

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Re: Superliga Americana de Rugby (SLAR)

Postby Tobar » Mon, 09 Nov 2020, 23:09

Colombia announces that it has formalized it's professional structure. No indication for how much players would be paid but they do mention potential investors.

http://www.coc.org.co/all-news/la-profe ... -un-hecho/

I don't want to run before we walk here but I do wonder what the plan is for pro rugby in Colombia in the next 10-15 years. SLAR is a terrific opportunity to have a "Super Rugby" style of competition for the national team to train together daily but the long term growth of the sport depends on the whole country. Colombia is not a country with most of its population in one city, similar to Brazil and perhaps Argentina, so it would need to have teams in each of the major cities to really grow. This is terrific for now but I hope they add teams in other cities to capture the nation.

This also makes me wonder...what is the plan for all of the other countries? Assuming that SLAR is successful enough where countries can start having 3-5 teams (20ish total), how will that affect the formatting? Will countries decide to split their season in two similar to Super Rugby and Mitre 10 / NRC, etc.? This way would create 3-5 teams with the best players and then the top club setup in a different season with some of the professional players dispersed? Will the pro players be allowed to return to clubs if the seasons don't clash? Or will countries start looking inward and focusing on domestic leagues rather than international ones like SLAR? I don't see that happening any time soon but Colombia could potentially do that if there are enough teams in order to avoid travelling far distances. Who knows...

Anyway - this is all good news! I'm always thinking of how this works down the line because I'd love to see the region really take off and impress the rugby world.

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Re: Superliga Americana de Rugby (SLAR)

Postby victorsra » Tue, 10 Nov 2020, 00:52

Yes, Brazil and Colombia are the countries more decentralised. But still for rugby São Paulo state is half of Brazilian rugby... i guess Medellin accounts for the same.... Which means there is still one dominant rugby city/region in both countries.

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