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Re: Rugby World Cup 2023 Qualifying

Postby thatrugbyguy » Wed, 17 Jun 2020, 15:24

Rugby isn't soccer, and I think we all agree that the qualifying structures shouldn't be the same. That said, there's got to be a better way forward than what's currently being presented to nations. The entire RWC qualifying structure needs to be re-examined, not only to give teams a shot, even ones who won't make it, but in order to develop more regular competition and growth. The whole Nations Championship argument and the desire from WR to bring more money into the game could be solved by focusing on RWC qualifying more for everyone.

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Re: Rugby World Cup 2023 Qualifying

Postby victorsra » Wed, 17 Jun 2020, 18:00

thatrugbyguy wrote:Rugby isn't soccer, and I think we all agree that the qualifying structures shouldn't be the same. That said, there's got to be a better way forward than what's currently being presented to nations. The entire RWC qualifying structure needs to be re-examined, not only to give teams a shot, even ones who won't make it, but in order to develop more regular competition and growth. The whole Nations Championship argument and the desire from WR to bring more money into the game could be solved by focusing on RWC qualifying more for everyone.

Well, the easiest thing for Europe is to indeed scrap that playoff but if a team is promoted in the middle of the Qualy (from 2025 to 2026) create a special rule for that team: if they finish the 2025 tournament in 3rd place or above, they can challenge the overall 3rd for a playoffs to qualify to the global Repechage. Why not?

This would mean the RWC Qualy would be:

2023 - Conference 2
2024 - Conference 1
2025 - Trophy
2026 - Champíonship + Repechage

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Re: Rugby World Cup 2023 Qualifying

Postby victorsra » Wed, 17 Jun 2020, 18:03

In fact, I don't see any problem about merging Conference 1 and 2 in 4 groups... why not? There is an opportunity now for Rugby Europe to have:

- Championship with 8 teams (with direct relegation and 7 rounds, round robin, 2 in november + 5 in feb/mar): GEO, RUS, ROM, SPA, POR, BEL, NED, SWI)
- Trophy with 7 teams (6 rounds, 1 promoted, 1 relegated): POL, GER, LIT, UKR, CZE, SWE, MAL
- Conference with 20 teams (4 groups of 5, 4 matches/team + SF, F): North (DEN, NOR, FIN, LAT, EST), West (AND, LUX, AUS, SVK, HUN), South (SVN, SER, BOS, MON, BUL), East (MOL, ISR, CYP, TUR, BLR) - more regional rivalries = less travel distances

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Re: Rugby World Cup 2023 Qualifying

Postby Canalina » Wed, 24 Jun 2020, 05:06

Australia could share some RWC 2027 games with New Zealand, if they won the right to host the event
https://www.samoaobserver.ws/category/sport/65418

The 2021 Oceania Championship, part of the RWC 2023 qualifying path (the winner will play with the loser of Samoa v Tonga), will be played within the first six months of the year, Oceania Rugby wrote

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Re: Rugby World Cup 2023 Qualifying

Postby thatrugbyguy » Wed, 24 Jun 2020, 09:48

That sounds more like some type of deal to sweeten the idea of a Australia/New Zealand domestic league.

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Re: Rugby World Cup 2023 Qualifying

Postby victorsra » Fri, 26 Jun 2020, 18:11

Maybe that will speed up the projects of new stadiums in Auckland and Christchurch? I feel sorry for Christchurch, they missed the host of the 2011 RWC because of the earthquake...

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Re: Rugby World Cup 2023 Qualifying

Postby dwpeate » Fri, 10 Jul 2020, 14:31

So if we already know that it's REC 21/22 as European qualifiers, the news today that Netherlands are RET champions makes it that there is already only 7 European nations in contention. Is this going to be the smallest group of nations internationally competing for places before the process has formally started?

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Re: Rugby World Cup 2023 Qualifying

Postby thatrugbyguy » Sat, 11 Jul 2020, 07:32

You'd have to go back to 1991 qualifiers I'd imagine to know for sure.

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Re: Rugby World Cup 2023 Qualifying

Postby victorsra » Sat, 11 Jul 2020, 13:17

17 in the 1991 Qualy
21 in 1995
30 in 1999
and from 2003 it became the whole REIC structure.

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Re: Rugby World Cup 2023 Qualifying

Postby Canalina » Sat, 11 Jul 2020, 16:08

Morocco risks to be already out of the World Cup after Rugby Africa recently confirmed their ban from international competitions.
Anyway, being the international african activities suspended at least until the new year, I suppose the Moroccan federation has still some chance to be pardoned before the RWC qualifiers

(see the African thread for more details)

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Re: Rugby World Cup 2023 Qualifying

Postby Canalina » Tue, 08 Sep 2020, 21:21

Three years to the 2023 World Cup


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Re: Rugby World Cup 2023 Qualifying

Postby ficcp » Wed, 09 Sep 2020, 18:38

It is a great country and they will organise an excellent WC for the participating teams as well as for the fans. Unfortunately, RW did not take the step towards 24 teams.

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Re: Rugby World Cup 2023 Qualifying

Postby antlat » Sat, 12 Sep 2020, 01:35

Has their been anymore information released about how each region will work??

Especially in the Americas, has that been sorted out? Is the Americas Rugby Championship to continue??

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Re: Rugby World Cup 2023 Qualifying

Postby victorsra » Sat, 12 Sep 2020, 14:51

ARC will likely continue, the question is how the spots will be distributed. They haven't anounced yet.

It can be best the South American and the best North American IN THE ARC qualifying to the RWC and the next best overall going to the Repechage. However, the pandemics messed up with the promotion-relegation playoff scheduled to happen in 2020 between ARC and Americas Rugby Challenge. We are yet to see which will be the solution to allow Colombia, Paraguay, Mexico to take part in the Qualy.

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Re: Rugby World Cup 2023 Qualifying

Postby ficcp » Sat, 12 Sep 2020, 18:08

If Mexico was selected as "a market with potential" in Rugby by WR, then it should guarantee the participation of this country in the RWC qualification. At least at the first level, otherwise the Marketing study would not have a great value.
If USA is selected as the host for 2031 RWC, more mexicans would be interested to assist if their team gets an active envolvement in previous qualification processes

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Re: Rugby World Cup 2023 Qualifying

Postby snapper37 » Sat, 12 Sep 2020, 20:00

victorsra wrote:ARC will likely continue, the question is how the spots will be distributed. They haven't anounced yet.

It can be best the South American and the best North American IN THE ARC qualifying to the RWC and the next best overall going to the Repechage. However, the pandemics messed up with the promotion-relegation playoff scheduled to happen in 2020 between ARC and Americas Rugby Challenge. We are yet to see which will be the solution to allow Colombia, Paraguay, Mexico to take part in the Qualy.

What difference would it make? i guess when those countries start pushing the top of the ARC teams then would be the time to have a discussion, as it is now they don't.

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Re: Rugby World Cup 2023 Qualifying

Postby victorsra » Sat, 12 Sep 2020, 20:07

Huge difference. They can tell local media, therefore sponsors and government, they are in a RWC Qualy. Makes a lot of difference for awareness and consequently future funding. It is irrelevant if rugby people now they don't have a chance. It is part of the build up of your domestic image. Brazil experienced this already, it is pretty clear why it matters.

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Re: Rugby World Cup 2023 Qualifying

Postby iul » Sun, 13 Sep 2020, 06:44

https://www.sportspromedia.com/news/202 ... sncf-loxam

Some financial info about sponsorships for 2023 rwc

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Re: Rugby World Cup 2023 Qualifying

Postby BigG » Mon, 14 Sep 2020, 06:41

U20 Trophy should start today in Spain.
Is it cancelled or postponed? Any info?

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Ooooh, it been canceled. https://www.world.rugby/news/571585?lang=en

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Re: Rugby World Cup 2023 Qualifying

Postby FLIDTA RISXVA » Mon, 14 Sep 2020, 10:14

appreciate your joking, sir :!:

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Re: Rugby World Cup 2023 Qualifying

Postby Canalina » Fri, 02 Oct 2020, 17:10

Probably they were all info already known, but World Rugby confirmed today that the RWC 2021 draw will be hosted by Paris on December 14, with this ranking as base. I suppose the nations will be grouped as 1-4 (first belt), 5-8 (second belt), 9-12 (third belt)

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Re: Rugby World Cup 2023 Qualifying

Postby victorsra » Fri, 02 Oct 2020, 18:41

Americas Qualy system still TBC.

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Re: Rugby World Cup 2023 Qualifying

Postby Chester-Donnelly » Sat, 03 Oct 2020, 00:01

Canalina wrote:Probably they were all info already known, but World Rugby confirmed today that the RWC 2021 draw will be hosted by Paris on December 14, with this ranking as base. I suppose the nations will be grouped as 1-4 (first belt), 5-8 (second belt), 9-12 (third belt)

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It is confirmed, these are the bands.

https://www.world.rugby/news/590670/sta ... -2023-draw

So there could be a pool of New Zealand, Australia, Argentina, Tonga, Uruguay.
And a pool of Wales, Japan, Italy, USA, Namibia.

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Re: Rugby World Cup 2023 Qualifying

Postby victorsra » Sat, 03 Oct 2020, 01:14

I think this will always happen. You can always have a group with all the worst teams of each pot and another group with all the best teams of each pot.

The only way to avoid easy and death groups is to have a pre determined draw of like:

A: 1, 8, 9
B: 2, 7, 10
C: 3, 6, 11
D: 4, 5, 12

And still the ranking can mess it up.

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