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Re: Rugby World Cup 2023 Qualifying

Postby thatrugbyguy » Sat, 03 Oct 2020, 02:58

Absolutely ridiculous having the draw this early. There is no logical reason to have it this far out from the tournament. You cannot tell me you need anymore than 18 months notice to sell tickets to a world cup in France. This sport is a joke.

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Re: Rugby World Cup 2023 Qualifying

Postby Chester-Donnelly » Sat, 03 Oct 2020, 06:26

It is a bit ridiculous doing the seeding and the draw so early, but for genuine challengers I don't think the seedings matter too much, as South Africa showed last year. You need to get out of your pool, then win 3 games in a row. The best team will win.
The seedings and draw are more significant for the third pot of teams (Scotland, Argentina, Italy and Fiji) because their goal will be to get to the quarter finals (which will likely mean being in the second pot next time). Being in that third pot is tough place to be.

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Re: Rugby World Cup 2023 Qualifying

Postby thatrugbyguy » Sat, 03 Oct 2020, 11:31

The seedings are not a fair reflection of where teams will be 2 years from now. You may very well get what looks like an easy pool if you're in band one in December, but in 2 years time you could slip to outside the top 5 in the world rankings easily, meaning you've not really earned that band one spot. I don't understand this sport sometimes. It has so little confidence in itself, so little confidence in its ability to sell tickets at short notice, that it comes up with these braindead world cup draws 3 years out from the tournament. If rugby cannot have a draw 12 months prior to a tournament, especially in an establish country like France, then there's no hope for there ever being a qualifying schedule developed that is fair. The people running the sport can't on one hand complain there's no value in test matches and come up with braindead solutions like the Nations Championship, whilst rigging the World Cup draw to take place nearly 3 years prior to the tournament. How the hell can you get the extra value from test matches and TV money you so clearly want if you're not giving teams anything to play for? What good is there in even having a draw in the first place if teams cannot improve their chances at a better path to the final?

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Re: Rugby World Cup 2023 Qualifying

Postby victorsra » Sat, 03 Oct 2020, 15:00

What's the reason for that? Selling tickets in advance?

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Re: Rugby World Cup 2023 Qualifying

Postby victorsra » Sat, 03 Oct 2020, 17:05

So, the 2027 RWC draw will take place only in 2026? Here is the info https://twitter.com/Superbru/status/1312046771628015619 "The announcement adds: "the Rugby World Cup Board has recommended that the draw for future Rugby World Cups should take place no earlier than one year proceeding the event to ensure the pools better reflect performance at the time".

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Re: Rugby World Cup 2023 Qualifying

Postby dwpeate » Sat, 03 Oct 2020, 20:28

Huh, how come that can't be recommended for this future world cup ? Haha

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Re: Rugby World Cup 2023 Qualifying

Postby Armchair Fan » Sat, 03 Oct 2020, 20:32

South Africa was also recommended to host 2023 RWC.

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Re: Rugby World Cup 2023 Qualifying

Postby dwpeate » Sat, 03 Oct 2020, 20:57

Aha of course

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Re: Rugby World Cup 2023 Qualifying

Postby thatrugbyguy » Sun, 04 Oct 2020, 03:35

victorsra wrote:What's the reason for that? Selling tickets in advance?


The reason given is it's to ensure fans have enough time to purchase tickets and make travel arrangements and so TV networks know what the big games are. Which is nonsense. You don't need three years notice to plan a trip to a sporting event, and TV networks certainly don't need that amount of time to make advertisements for the event. Every single person who's a fan of the sport already knows where and when the next tournament is. Even if you did need that length of time, the actual match schedule won't be finalised for at least another 12 months, so the whole exercise is one based off a faulty premise that this somehow benefits the fans. It's bullshit. The truth is WR have no faith in their sport. The organisation is too scared to risk any T1 nation having to actually qualify for RWC, and they're too scared to do a draw 12 months prior because they're worried about not selling out stadiums. I mean, if you cannot sell the RWC in France of all places within 12 months then there's something wrong with the sport.

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Re: Rugby World Cup 2023 Qualifying

Postby FLIDTA RISXVA » Sun, 04 Oct 2020, 06:42

And don't forget it WILL be 10TH TIME in 2023 -- same IDIOCY and COWARD'ness again :twisted:

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Re: Rugby World Cup 2023 Qualifying

Postby TheStroBro » Mon, 05 Oct 2020, 17:30

victorsra wrote:So, the 2027 RWC draw will take place only in 2026? Here is the info https://twitter.com/Superbru/status/1312046771628015619 "The announcement adds: "the Rugby World Cup Board has recommended that the draw for future Rugby World Cups should take place no earlier than one year proceeding the event to ensure the pools better reflect performance at the time".


Look at that...sense.

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Re: Rugby World Cup 2023 Qualifying

Postby Tomster7uk » Fri, 09 Oct 2020, 21:59

I feel like the graphics from the site https://www.rugbyworldcup.com/2023/qualifiers, shows the process of qualification appears to be less complicated than what it was for the 2019 tournament.

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Re: Rugby World Cup 2023 Qualifying

Postby Tomster7uk » Fri, 09 Oct 2020, 22:09

Societe General - The French bank has been confirmed as the first worldwide sponsor for the 2023 Rugby World Cup.

Chief executive of Societe, Frédéric Oudéa commented on the notion, “We share the sport’s values of teamwork and commitment, and we want to support its development in an inclusive way around the world." - https://www.sportspromedia.com/news/202 ... ponsorship

Africa Rugby Cup has replaced what was, the Gold Cup which Kenya hammered Tunisia 100-10 in.

Spain, Romania and Belgium will hopefully have learned their lesson from the debacle that marred Europe qualifying for the 2019 tournament. I would like to believe that, Rugby Europe will also have learned a valuable lesson.

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Re: Rugby World Cup 2023 Qualifying

Postby Tobar » Sat, 10 Oct 2020, 00:42

Soc Gen is a big name so good to see. A lot of times when French guys would come to NYC for a year and play for my old club they were from Soc Gen. That’s only like 5 guys so a super small group but still.

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Re: Rugby World Cup 2023 Qualifying

Postby Tomster7uk » Tue, 13 Oct 2020, 00:09

Potentially, South Africa, current holders could be drawn in the same pool as the hosts, France.

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Re: Rugby World Cup 2023 Qualifying

Postby ihateblazers » Tue, 13 Oct 2020, 06:40

Tomster7uk wrote:Potentially, South Africa, current holders could be drawn in the same pool as the hosts, France.


That's ridiculous, hosts should be in band 1 to avoid this.

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Re: Rugby World Cup 2023 Qualifying

Postby Chester-Donnelly » Tue, 13 Oct 2020, 16:29

ihateblazers wrote:
Tomster7uk wrote:Potentially, South Africa, current holders could be drawn in the same pool as the hosts, France.


That's ridiculous, hosts should be in band 1 to avoid this.


I completely agree. Especially as there are really 3 contenders (South Africa, New Zealand, England).
Band 1 should be South Africa, New Zealand, England, host.

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Re: Rugby World Cup 2023 Qualifying

Postby Armchair Fan » Tue, 13 Oct 2020, 16:47

Handball has an interesting token in their WC pool draw: allowing hosts to choose the pool they want to be in once all other bands have been drawn.

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Re: Rugby World Cup 2023 Qualifying

Postby snapper37 » Tue, 13 Oct 2020, 16:59

Tomster7uk wrote:Potentially, South Africa, current holders could be drawn in the same pool as the hosts, France.



Hows this a problem?

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Re: Rugby World Cup 2023 Qualifying

Postby snapper37 » Tue, 13 Oct 2020, 17:02

Chester-Donnelly wrote:
ihateblazers wrote:
Tomster7uk wrote:Potentially, South Africa, current holders could be drawn in the same pool as the hosts, France.


That's ridiculous, hosts should be in band 1 to avoid this.


I completely agree. Especially as there are really 3 contenders (South Africa, New Zealand, England).
Band 1 should be South Africa, New Zealand, England, host.



Japan wasn't in Band 1 for the 2019 World Cup. Host get automatic qualification, not a free pass to the finals.

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Re: Rugby World Cup 2023 Qualifying

Postby snapper37 » Tue, 13 Oct 2020, 17:10

Chester-Donnelly wrote:
ihateblazers wrote:
Tomster7uk wrote:Potentially, South Africa, current holders could be drawn in the same pool as the hosts, France.


That's ridiculous, hosts should be in band 1 to avoid this.


I completely agree. Especially as there are really 3 contenders (South Africa, New Zealand, England).
Band 1 should be South Africa, New Zealand, England, host.



Maybe England should drop down to the 2nd Band.....

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Re: Rugby World Cup 2023 Qualifying

Postby snapper37 » Tue, 13 Oct 2020, 17:19

For what ever it's worth (nothing)

This would be a dream world cup in Group D, every game would be awesome.

2023
A) South Africa, Ireland, Fiji, Europe 1, Namibia

B) New Zealand, France, Scotland, USA,Europe 2,

C) England, Australia, Italy, Samoa, Final Qualifier

D) Wales, Japan, Argentina, Tonga, Uruguay

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Re: Rugby World Cup 2023 Qualifying

Postby Chester-Donnelly » Tue, 13 Oct 2020, 19:27

snapper37 wrote:
Chester-Donnelly wrote:
ihateblazers wrote:
Tomster7uk wrote:Potentially, South Africa, current holders could be drawn in the same pool as the hosts, France.


That's ridiculous, hosts should be in band 1 to avoid this.


I completely agree. Especially as there are really 3 contenders (South Africa, New Zealand, England).
Band 1 should be South Africa, New Zealand, England, host.



Maybe England should drop down to the 2nd Band.....


Maybe Canada should drop down to Tier 3.

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Re: Rugby World Cup 2023 Qualifying

Postby Canalina » Tue, 13 Oct 2020, 20:06

Agree with Snapper, I can't see the problem on having the hosts and the World Champions together

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Re: Rugby World Cup 2023 Qualifying

Postby snapper37 » Tue, 13 Oct 2020, 21:04

Chester-Donnelly wrote:
snapper37 wrote:
Chester-Donnelly wrote:
ihateblazers wrote:
Tomster7uk wrote:Potentially, South Africa, current holders could be drawn in the same pool as the hosts, France.


That's ridiculous, hosts should be in band 1 to avoid this.


I completely agree. Especially as there are really 3 contenders (South Africa, New Zealand, England).
Band 1 should be South Africa, New Zealand, England, host.



Maybe England should drop down to the 2nd Band.....


Maybe Canada should drop down to Tier 3.



Truth hurt did it? Canada are already Tier 3 (23rd in the world), Sitting below Hong Kong and ahead of Namibia (too many years being told how to run our rugby by kippers and their half blood brothers). And if you noticed I didn't add Canada to the pool wish post earlier as our chances of making this world cup are very slim, Romania, Spain, Georgia, Russia will all be difficult matches and getting through the loser will be tough.

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