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Re: Rugby Europe International Championships 2019-2020

Postby bonzosarmy » Thu, 25 Jun 2020, 17:22

victorsra wrote:What exactly is payed by Rugby Europe in those beach rugby, snow rugby and club rugby 7s tournaments? Because if they are putting money on this is a waste of resources that could be used helping to build that Continental Shield or making the Grand Prix 7s better.


to my knowledge nothing or very little, afaik nearly everything is paid by the russian federation.

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Re: Rugby Europe International Championships 2019-2020

Postby ficcp » Thu, 25 Jun 2020, 20:26


Victor : EUSA gathers 290 universities from 43 countries, Rugby 7 is one of 23 sports of the NGO.

In the last Rugby 7 tournament (Milan 2017) were only 10 universities from 7 countries. The potential to grow is Huge !!

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Re: Rugby Europe International Championships 2019-2020

Postby Canalina » Mon, 06 Jul 2020, 18:43

REC results history, from 2000; the ranking of this edition of REC and RET could be modified if the competitions resumed before the end of the year
It must be read from right to left; in yellow the year edition, in pink/red the number of competing nations

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Re: Rugby Europe International Championships 2019-2020

Postby victorsra » Mon, 06 Jul 2020, 19:41

Would be great to see a Ranking since with FIRA Trophy combined.
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Re: Rugby Europe International Championships 2019-2020

Postby Canalina » Mon, 06 Jul 2020, 20:24

I gave a look to the FIRA trophies on wikipedia and for the biennium 1997/98 the french page reports Italy as general winner
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trophée_européen_FIRA_de_rugby_à_XV_1997-1998

This appeared strange, because the other pages (english, italian) explained that in those years the FIRA Trophy was not awarded because of the world cup qualifying. Finally it resulted that the french page in fact reports the RWC qualifying as they were the FIRA Trophy.
Anyway in those qualifying Italy defeated Georgia 31-14, in L'Aquila.
So the historic duels between Italy and Georgia are at least three (in that occasion Italy was marked as "A", but being it part of the World Cup qualifiers I think that it had all the chrisms of an important test match); Italy won them all, even if always playing at home (L'Aquila, Asti, Firenze)

EDIT: but on stats guru I see now that Italy A and Georgia played several other games, I didn't remember that

Georgia lost 3 21 -18 0 0 1 0 v Italy A Bucharest 15 Jun 2010
Georgia lost 7 8 -1 1 1 0 0 v Italy A Palmanova 20 Nov 2009
Georgia won 25 3 +22 3 2 2 0 v Italy A Bucharest 20 Jun 2008
Georgia won 22 20 +2 3 2 1 0 v Italy A Bucharest 16 Jun 2007
Georgia lost 14 31 -17 1 0 2 1 v Italy A L'Aquila 11 Apr 1998

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Re: Rugby Europe International Championships 2019-2020

Postby victorsra » Mon, 06 Jul 2020, 20:45

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Re: Rugby Europe International Championships 2019-2020

Postby FLIDTA RISXVA » Tue, 07 Jul 2020, 05:42

EXCELLENT WORK

JUST deal correctly with initial season 2000 when
Morocco and Tunisia played for last time, and 'hors tournoi' by the way

Trust this >> http://www.rugbyarchive.net/compseasons/7?Stagione=2000
This page was updated on May 15, 2020, 12:33:46 PM


If North Africans are not included in your BIG TABLE -- and this is OK, then
for 2000 Spain should be 2nd, Georgia 3rd, Netherlands 4th, Portugal 5th and so on

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Re: Rugby Europe International Championships 2019-2020

Postby Canalina » Tue, 07 Jul 2020, 11:06

FIRA Trophy + ENC + REC

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing

The medal tally should be

France 25 5 -
Romania 10 16 12
Georgia 9 4 1
Italy 1 9 9
URSS/Russia 1 6 5
Portugal 1 2 1
Spain 1 1 8
Germany - 2 4
Morocco - - 3
Czechoslovakia - - 2
Poland - - 1

Total* 48 45 46

* in one edition the first place was shared between France, Romania and Russia; and in one of the first editions I "awarded" two third places ex aequo because the tournament was split in two pools with no third place final

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Re: Rugby Europe International Championships 2019-2020

Postby Canalina » Tue, 07 Jul 2020, 17:37

The 70s were a period of crisis for Italian rugby, judging by the FIRA Trophy results; again struggles in the 80s with several defeats by URSS (almost all by little margin, it has to be said), than the arise in the 90s

1968: for the first time Italy renounces to take part to the FIRA Trophy so we are relegated in second category
1971: after having quickly gained the promotion, Italy loses 6-8 with Morocco in Naples and it's relegation again
1972: home draws with Spain and Portugal plus loss in Spain, Italy remains in second category
1973: win by a one only point margin at home versus Yugoslavia, loss in Portugal; no promotion again
1974: draw in Rovigo with Czechoslovakia, but finally it's promotion in the top category
1977: Morocco-Italia 10-9 in Casablanca, Romania-Italia 69-0
1978: Italy loses in Warsaw and Madrid
1979: loses in Rome with Soviet Union, plus a 0-44 in Bucharest
1980/81: two losses with Soviet Union, but Italy conquers anyway the final podium
1983: Italy-France 6-6 in Rovigo
1986/87: two losses with Soviet Union, a thin home victory with Portugal, the podium is missed
1988/89: two losses with Soviet Union, two losses with Romania
1990: an other little margin loss with URSS
1994: Italy defeats France in Rovigo but at the last game the azzurri lose in Bucharest and miss their first title ever
1996: (22 March 1997) Italy defeats France 40-32 in Grenoble and conquers the first (and so far last) European title

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Re: Rugby Europe International Championships 2019-2020

Postby STMKY » Tue, 07 Jul 2020, 17:48

Does Italy have an understanding that getting into 6 Nations is a consequence of the collapse of the USSR? If not for 1991, then it would be the Soviet Union that would be in 6 Nations in a few years.

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Re: Rugby Europe International Championships 2019-2020

Postby victorsra » Tue, 07 Jul 2020, 18:35

STMKY wrote:Does Italy have an understanding that getting into 6 Nations is a consequence of the collapse of the USSR? If not for 1991, then it would be the Soviet Union that would be in 6 Nations in a few years.

Or we'd have a 7 or 8 Nations... more likely...
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Re: Rugby Europe International Championships 2019-2020

Postby Canalina » Tue, 07 Jul 2020, 20:16

STMKY wrote:Does Italy have an understanding that getting into 6 Nations is a consequence of the collapse of the USSR? If not for 1991, then it would be the Soviet Union that would be in 6 Nations in a few years.

Could be, but it's not sure. In the eighties the USSR defeated several times Italy (often by little margin) but they also lost several times with Romania. The three teams were almost at the same level, with Italy maybe a bit under. Then Italy grew in the 90s. We can't know how the things would have gone with Soviet Union still undivided

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Re: Rugby Europe International Championships 2019-2020

Postby victorsra » Tue, 07 Jul 2020, 21:03

Would rugby be that strong in Georgia now if still part of USSR?
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