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Postby jservuk » Tue, 26 May 2020, 22:33

Former RFU boss proposing a RWC Style tournament in UK and Ireland in 2021.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/rugby-union ... cup-style/

I thought there might be one in 2025 to make up for lost revenue, but they proposing one next year ... I auusme they will try avoid clashing with Olympics and Euros.

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Re: World Cup 2021

Postby 4N » Wed, 27 May 2020, 04:43

The Rugby Football Union has been urged to back radical plans to raise up to £250 million by staging a special World Cup-style tournament in the UK and Ireland next summer to ease the financial crisis facing the global game caused by the coronavirus pandemic.

It is understood draft proposals for a 16-team invitational tournament, to be held in June and July next year, have been submitted to both World Rugby and the RFU for consideration, with a working title of the ‘Coronavirus Cup of World Rugby’.

The competition, the centrepiece of a financial rescue plan independently drawn up by former RFU chief executive Francis Baron, is based on the template used for the 2015 World Cup in England - but would involve matches played at the national stadiums of each of the four Home Unions.

Staging the tournament, which would involve 31 matches over six weeks, would require the postponement of the British and Irish Lions tour of South Africa from July next year to the summer of 2022 to minimise the disruption on the professional club tournaments in both the northern and southern hemisphere.

However, Baron, who put together the RFU’s successful bid to host the 2015 tournament, said it was necessary to take “exceptional measures to deal with an exceptional crisis”.

The RFU has predicted it will lose £107m in revenue if the autumn internationals are cancelled because of coronavirus, while the southern hemisphere unions are also braced for crippling losses if matches are cancelled or played behind closed doors.

Baron said 100 per cent of the profits of the tournament would be distributed to the participating unions to support both the professional and community games. A family support fund would also be established for those in the rugby family globally who have lost loved ones to the virus. It would be administered by an independent charitable trust.

“The RFU should take a leadership position and propose to other major unions and World Rugby that a special one-off tournament be held in the UK and Ireland in June and July next year,” Baron told Telegraph Sport.

“Its key selling point is that all the money raised would be for keeping the game of rugby alive around the world.

“I have talked to one or two senior colleagues and they all think the country would get right behind it, as they did with the tournament in England in 2015.

“I think the four Home Unions would support it because a number of big matches would be held in each of England, Ireland, Scotland and Wales.

“The key will be winning the support of the southern hemisphere unions but with everyone facing horrendous financial challenges, this is a bold and ambitious plan to raise large amounts of new cash from which they will be major beneficiaries.

“The 2015 World Cup in England generated net profits for the game of around £400m. I believe this proposed special event could generate a net profit for distribution to unions of £200-250m. This would be in addition to the £80m World Rugby support funding package already in place for the global game.”

World Rugby is currently engaged in discussions with unions about how to reschedule the postponed Six Nations matches and summer tours because of the Covid-19 lockdown as well as talks about realigning the global calendar.

Baron, however, insisted now was not the right time to focus on restructuring the global game given the “potential financial tsunami” which he fears that without urgent action “could sweep away some of our unions and many of our community clubs”.

He also stated that the unions and clubs should abandon attempts to complete this season’s fixtures, given the negative impact it could have on next year.

“Reviving proposals on restructuring the game and our competitions should be put on ice until the battle with the virus has been won,” added Baron, who was RFU chief executive for 12 years before retiring in 2010.

“The absolute and only priority should be providing cash support to all levels of the global game to ensure survival. When the house is on fire the priority is not to discuss changing the decoration in the living room.

“The overriding issue at the moment should be cash support and survivability. The overriding problem to be solved is that of providing substantial levels of new cash funding for both unions and clubs.

“In this context I believe we need a bigger, bolder and more ambitious plan than anything currently on the table. We need to aim to ensure not only that the game survives intact but that we come out the other side financially stronger with all elements of the game rebuilding their reserves for the future.

“I have enormous sympathy for the new RFU CEO (Bill Sweeney) and all the other CEOs of the major unions facing this crisis. I have no doubt they are giving everything they have to ensure their union's survival and they have my total support. I also have no doubt they will all support and ensure implementation of this proposal as it will underpin their own valiant efforts at supporting the game in their countries.”

The draft schedule for the tournament would offer invitations to world champions South Africa, New Zealand, Australia, Argentina, Japan, England, France, Wales, Ireland, Scotland, Italy, Fiji, Samoa, Tonga, USA and Canada.

“The proposal to hold it in the UK and Ireland is a hard-nosed commercial decision,” Baron added. “The two markets likely to generate the maximum revenues are the UK/Republic of Ireland and France.

“France is currently working hard on its plans for the World Cup in 2023 and these should not be disturbed. The UK has the benefit of England’s successful 2015 template which can be ‘dusted off’ and rolled out quickly.

“The June/July window is far preferable from a weather point of view, the availability of soccer stadiums and the minimising of disruption to professional league and cup competitions and the international match programme.

“One that will not just help the RFU but also all our fellow unions around the world who are in similar financial difficulties. Time is short but we can do this. To use the famous Second World War dictum what is needed is 'Action this Day'.”

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Re: World Cup 2021

Postby thatrugbyguy » Wed, 27 May 2020, 06:18

I’m sure Georgia and Uruguay love the idea of being tossed aside for Canada. And let’s just give all 3 Pacific Islands teams another leg up whilst we’re at it again. Look, I get desperate times call for drastic measures, but this won’t solve anything and will do little more than devalue the World Cup. Great way to undermine the Women’s World Cup also.

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Re: World Cup 2021

Postby Chester-Donnelly » Wed, 27 May 2020, 07:03

Canada were the worst team in RWC 2019. What do they bring to the table? As it's not a real World Cup how about putting in a representative team that isn't a national team, like African Leopards or South American Jaguars.

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Re: World Cup 2021

Postby Armchair Fan » Wed, 27 May 2020, 07:12

Having Canada in and Georgia and Uruguay out is the 'old fart at work' alert.

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Re: World Cup 2021

Postby sk 88 » Wed, 27 May 2020, 07:45

Hey guys, how about we have a SUPER BEST FRIENDS cup where we invite everyone that voted for Bill + those who we cannot possibly not invite and still claim a credible tournament?

Baron is such an idiot. "Let's host it in June next year", well okay but is he forgetting Euro 2021 is currently scheduled to have several group games, R16 games, both semis and the finals in the UK at that time? There may be space for a rugby tournament too but its not like it is a clear run thing.

Wasn't Baron the CEO of the RFU when they proposed this format for the 2007 RWC? Which Beaumont backed btw ...

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Re: World Cup 2021

Postby jservuk » Wed, 27 May 2020, 09:56

sk 88 wrote:Hey guys, how about we have a SUPER BEST FRIENDS cup where we invite everyone that voted for Bill + those who we cannot possibly not invite and still claim a credible tournament?

Baron is such an idiot. "Let's host it in June next year", well okay but is he forgetting Euro 2021 is currently scheduled to have several group games, R16 games, both semis and the finals in the UK at that time? There may be space for a rugby tournament too but its not like it is a clear run thing.

Wasn't Baron the CEO of the RFU when they proposed this format for the 2007 RWC? Which Beaumont backed btw ...


Surely with RWC often (laughably) touted as the Worlds Third Biggest Sports Event, this tournament has nothing to fear from the Euros.

Interesting as well the proposals exclude France as a host .. probably something to do with 2023. But if this goes ahead, expect more in 2025.

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Re: World Cup 2021

Postby Chester-Donnelly » Wed, 27 May 2020, 10:28

jservuk wrote:
sk 88 wrote:Hey guys, how about we have a SUPER BEST FRIENDS cup where we invite everyone that voted for Bill + those who we cannot possibly not invite and still claim a credible tournament?

Baron is such an idiot. "Let's host it in June next year", well okay but is he forgetting Euro 2021 is currently scheduled to have several group games, R16 games, both semis and the finals in the UK at that time? There may be space for a rugby tournament too but its not like it is a clear run thing.

Wasn't Baron the CEO of the RFU when they proposed this format for the 2007 RWC? Which Beaumont backed btw ...


Surely with RWC often (laughably) touted as the Worlds Third Biggest Sports Event, this tournament has nothing to fear from the Euros.

Interesting as well the proposals exclude France as a host .. probably something to do with 2023. But if this goes ahead, expect more in 2025.


I would estimate the interest in the Rugby World Cup from the English is about 25% of interest for the Euros. That's for the real RWC. For this thing interest will be pretty low. Probably about what it would be for the Lions tour, i.e. the average citizen won't even be aware that it's on.

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Re: World Cup 2021

Postby RugbyLiebe » Wed, 27 May 2020, 12:44

And in the wet dreams of this short-sighted idiots this will then be touted as a way better competition and after that the RWC will detract to 16 teams.
Sometimes I start to think that I was wrong and soccer might actually have a huge advantage in sportsmanship over rugby.
I mean who in their bloody serious mind can propose something like this merit-based BS in a sport in the 21st century.
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Re: World Cup 2021

Postby jservuk » Wed, 27 May 2020, 13:10

If it makes money, it will be here to stay.

In one sense, I don't think it devalues the RWC since we know the last eight would (for the foreseeable future) be among the listed 16 teams.

The real damage this might do though is to limit expansion. Any initiatives will have to be do without T1 vs T2/T3 matches.

So the loser will be T2/T3.

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Re: World Cup 2021

Postby jservuk » Wed, 27 May 2020, 13:15

Chester-Donnelly wrote:
jservuk wrote:
sk 88 wrote:Hey guys, how about we have a SUPER BEST FRIENDS cup where we invite everyone that voted for Bill + those who we cannot possibly not invite and still claim a credible tournament?

Baron is such an idiot. "Let's host it in June next year", well okay but is he forgetting Euro 2021 is currently scheduled to have several group games, R16 games, both semis and the finals in the UK at that time? There may be space for a rugby tournament too but its not like it is a clear run thing.

Wasn't Baron the CEO of the RFU when they proposed this format for the 2007 RWC? Which Beaumont backed btw ...


Surely with RWC often (laughably) touted as the Worlds Third Biggest Sports Event, this tournament has nothing to fear from the Euros.

Interesting as well the proposals exclude France as a host .. probably something to do with 2023. But if this goes ahead, expect more in 2025.


I would estimate the interest in the Rugby World Cup from the English is about 25% of interest for the Euros. That's for the real RWC. For this thing interest will be pretty low. Probably about what it would be for the Lions tour, i.e. the average citizen won't even be aware that it's on.


Maybe the calculation being made here, is that the English football team will as normal fail to progress beyond the last 8, but in Rugby you can bet that one of England, Wales, Ireland will make to to the semi in this tournament, which might in turn switch viewers over.

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Re: World Cup 2021

Postby Chester-Donnelly » Wed, 27 May 2020, 13:40

jservuk wrote:
Chester-Donnelly wrote:
jservuk wrote:
sk 88 wrote:Hey guys, how about we have a SUPER BEST FRIENDS cup where we invite everyone that voted for Bill + those who we cannot possibly not invite and still claim a credible tournament?

Baron is such an idiot. "Let's host it in June next year", well okay but is he forgetting Euro 2021 is currently scheduled to have several group games, R16 games, both semis and the finals in the UK at that time? There may be space for a rugby tournament too but its not like it is a clear run thing.

Wasn't Baron the CEO of the RFU when they proposed this format for the 2007 RWC? Which Beaumont backed btw ...


Surely with RWC often (laughably) touted as the Worlds Third Biggest Sports Event, this tournament has nothing to fear from the Euros.

Interesting as well the proposals exclude France as a host .. probably something to do with 2023. But if this goes ahead, expect more in 2025.


I would estimate the interest in the Rugby World Cup from the English is about 25% of interest for the Euros. That's for the real RWC. For this thing interest will be pretty low. Probably about what it would be for the Lions tour, i.e. the average citizen won't even be aware that it's on.


Maybe the calculation being made here, is that the English football team will as normal fail to progress beyond the last 8, but in Rugby you can bet that one of England, Wales, Ireland will make to to the semi in this tournament, which might in turn switch viewers over.


Looking at the Euros, it is proposed for 11 June to 11 July, so there probably wouldn't be a clash. A RWC would probably be played late summer / autumn. Also Scotland and Ireland don't seem to have qualified.

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Re: World Cup 2021

Postby Chester-Donnelly » Wed, 27 May 2020, 13:52

A sixteen team tournament would still take a long time though. Better make it 12.

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Re: World Cup 2021

Postby victorsra » Wed, 27 May 2020, 13:54

He is a major idiot indeed. It would also clash with the Olympics, because definitly it would end by the end of july.

More than this, if he is right about the need of having a competition to bring cash, the most obvious thing to do is exactly to have the new calendar with 6N/TRC in March/April and the tests in October/November. The new calendar would be better for his idea but he is an idiot.
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Re: World Cup 2021

Postby Canalina » Wed, 27 May 2020, 17:37

I don't understand very well why if I use hard words toward Pichot all the forum arises with indignation, while with this Baron it's legit to use plain insults :geek:

The idea of a ghost RWC mid-way between the 2019 and the 2023 editions seems bad to me too, even if I understand that they are somehow forced to find some ideas.
Maybe it could be interesting the idea someone purposed some posts above; a tournament not for national teams (or not only for national teams) but involving Pacific Islanders, African Leopards, a continental Europe select, maybe the Barbarians... A sort of Ryder Cup for continents, not for nations. But maybe such unusual teams would not attract many spectators

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Re: World Cup 2021

Postby Armchair Fan » Wed, 27 May 2020, 17:40

The main difference between Pichot and Baron is that we may disagree with Pichot views but I wouldn't dispute his knowledge of rugby current scene, while Baron's proposal simply shows he hasn't got a clue.

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Re: World Cup 2021

Postby sk 88 » Wed, 27 May 2020, 18:43

https://www.world.rugby/news/569882?lang=en

World Rugby quick to kill this stupid idea off. :thumbup: :thumbup:

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Re: World Cup 2021

Postby victorsra » Wed, 27 May 2020, 20:37

Canalina wrote:I don't understand very well why if I use hard words toward Pichot all the forum arises with indignation, while with this Baron it's legit to use plain insults :geek:

The idea of a ghost RWC mid-way between the 2019 and the 2023 editions seems bad to me too, even if I understand that they are somehow forced to find some ideas.
Maybe it could be interesting the idea someone purposed some posts above; a tournament not for national teams (or not only for national teams) but involving Pacific Islanders, African Leopards, a continental Europe select, maybe the Barbarians... A sort of Ryder Cup for continents, not for nations. But maybe such unusual teams would not attract many spectators


Because both Pichot and Beaumont were discussing their views about rugby and how to grow it, whether we like them or not. Baron was basicaly offensive when he proposes to invite Canada over Georgia, for exemple. No transparent criterea for invitations in a WR (not private) tournament. The guy basicaly offended rugby.

Honestly, nobody cares about continental teams. Zero appeal. The Lions are different because, well, England, Wales and Scotland and part of Ireland are all UK.... I don't know nothing about Golf to tell, but I believe the Ryder Cup concept is unique for them. And to the American Ninja Warrior :lol: I can't see people in rugby caring about continental teams.
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Re: World Cup 2021

Postby thatrugbyguy » Thu, 28 May 2020, 02:09

sk 88 wrote:https://www.world.rugby/news/569882?lang=en

World Rugby quick to kill this stupid idea off. :thumbup: :thumbup:


That's hardly killing it. An invitational tournament is something they have zero control over.

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Re: World Cup 2021

Postby RugbyLiebe » Thu, 28 May 2020, 06:47

Chester-Donnelly wrote:A sixteen team tournament would still take a long time though. Better make it 12.


Why do you think that a 16-team tournament needs longer than a 12 team tournament? Why not doing the math first before posting this?
A 16 team tournament with group stages always needs EXACTLY the same time as a 12-team-tournament, if played as a knock-out-only competition it could be played in a shorter time frame. A 12-team-tournament is never ever in any way shorter than a 16-team-tournament.

You only get even schedules with the exact same chances for everyone if the number of teams is divided by 4 and you get an even number out. Everything else needs some tweaks at some place (like more teams advancing from one group in the knockout stages etc.
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Re: World Cup 2021

Postby Working Class Rugger » Thu, 28 May 2020, 07:06

RugbyLiebe wrote:
Chester-Donnelly wrote:A sixteen team tournament would still take a long time though. Better make it 12.


Why do you think that a 16-team tournament needs longer than a 12 team tournament? Why not doing the math first before posting this?
A 16 team tournament with group stages always needs EXACTLY the same time as a 12-team-tournament, if played as a knock-out-only competition it could be played in a shorter time frame. A 12-team-tournament is never ever in any way shorter than a 16-team-tournament.

You only get even schedules with the exact same chances for everyone if the number of teams is divided by 4 and you get an even number out. Everything else needs some tweaks at some place (like more teams advancing from one group in the knockout stages etc.


A 16 team tournament could be done in a month. Structure it in a knockout format with progressive divisions similar to the Sevens World Series. Call it World Series Rugby. Winners from round one progress to the Cup quarter finals. Losers compete in the Bowl. On the 2nd weekend winners from the Cup quarters go into the Cup semi finals. Loser into the plate. Similar with the bowl and so on. Final weekend would be play off to determine final standing. Each competitor get an even share of the revenue generated. Hosts keep the gate.

As before, I actually think this is a solid options for the Nations Championship structure but instead of a Champion this could be held at the end of every year to determine end of year rankings.

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Re: World Cup 2021

Postby Chester-Donnelly » Thu, 28 May 2020, 07:52

Working Class Rugger wrote:
RugbyLiebe wrote:
Chester-Donnelly wrote:A sixteen team tournament would still take a long time though. Better make it 12.


Why do you think that a 16-team tournament needs longer than a 12 team tournament? Why not doing the math first before posting this?
A 16 team tournament with group stages always needs EXACTLY the same time as a 12-team-tournament, if played as a knock-out-only competition it could be played in a shorter time frame. A 12-team-tournament is never ever in any way shorter than a 16-team-tournament.

You only get even schedules with the exact same chances for everyone if the number of teams is divided by 4 and you get an even number out. Everything else needs some tweaks at some place (like more teams advancing from one group in the knockout stages etc.


A 16 team tournament could be done in a month. Structure it in a knockout format with progressive divisions similar to the Sevens World Series. Call it World Series Rugby. Winners from round one progress to the Cup quarter finals. Losers compete in the Bowl. On the 2nd weekend winners from the Cup quarters go into the Cup semi finals. Loser into the plate. Similar with the bowl and so on. Final weekend would be play off to determine final standing. Each competitor get an even share of the revenue generated. Hosts keep the gate.

As before, I actually think this is a solid options for the Nations Championship structure but instead of a Champion this could be held at the end of every year to determine end of year rankings.


Yes, this is the best format for a world championship. Every team plays 4 games, played over 4 weekends in one country. Every game counts. Bottom team gets relegated. And it's very different to the world cup so it doesn't detract from that.

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Re: World Cup 2021

Postby RugbyLiebe » Thu, 28 May 2020, 07:56

Working Class Rugger wrote:A 16 team tournament could be done in a month. Structure it in a knockout format with progressive divisions similar to the Sevens World Series. Call it World Series Rugby. Winners from round one progress to the Cup quarter finals. Losers compete in the Bowl. On the 2nd weekend winners from the Cup quarters go into the Cup semi finals. Loser into the plate. Similar with the bowl and so on. Final weekend would be play off to determine final standing. Each competitor get an even share of the revenue generated. Hosts keep the gate.


As before, I actually think this is a solid options for the Nations Championship structure but instead of a Champion this could be held at the end of every year to determine end of year rankings.


I actually like this idea a lot. Why not make it 32. Have two drawing pools of 16 teams for the first round and the lower ranked pool hosts the first round. Also already determ which games lead to a home-game in the next round. The determined home-game winners than are in drawing2 pool 1 and so on. Makes an exciting draw like in the German soccer cup competition. Called it World Nations Cup and everything is good. The best nations can use this as a warm-up game and the lower nations to promote the game. The winners continue to play afterwards. The lower 16 nations maybe for another round, so they have at least two international games in the autumn. Won't probably happen, but why not try something simple to really grow the game. Yeah, there will be big blowouts, but so what. That also happens in cup competitions. There will still be some exciting games in it.
Issue would be travelling though, but this can still be tweaked to make sure travelling is less costly.
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Look at the world ranking in July. Teams ranked 1-10 have to play one team from 11-20 (they don't play in a regular competition) away the next year. 11-20 play 21-30 away and so on. Yes, it really is that simple.

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Re: World Cup 2021

Postby Working Class Rugger » Thu, 28 May 2020, 08:33

RugbyLiebe wrote:
Working Class Rugger wrote:A 16 team tournament could be done in a month. Structure it in a knockout format with progressive divisions similar to the Sevens World Series. Call it World Series Rugby. Winners from round one progress to the Cup quarter finals. Losers compete in the Bowl. On the 2nd weekend winners from the Cup quarters go into the Cup semi finals. Loser into the plate. Similar with the bowl and so on. Final weekend would be play off to determine final standing. Each competitor get an even share of the revenue generated. Hosts keep the gate.


As before, I actually think this is a solid options for the Nations Championship structure but instead of a Champion this could be held at the end of every year to determine end of year rankings.


I actually like this idea a lot. Why not make it 32. Have two drawing pools of 16 teams for the first round and the lower ranked pool hosts the first round. Also already determ which games lead to a home-game in the next round. The determined home-game winners than are in drawing2 pool 1 and so on. Makes an exciting draw like in the German soccer cup competition. Called it World Nations Cup and everything is good. The best nations can use this as a warm-up game and the lower nations to promote the game. The winners continue to play afterwards. The lower 16 nations maybe for another round, so they have at least two international games in the autumn. Won't probably happen, but why not try something simple to really grow the game. Yeah, there will be big blowouts, but so what. That also happens in cup competitions. There will still be some exciting games in it.
Issue would be travelling though, but this can still be tweaked to make sure travelling is less costly.


I've actually proposed using 32 teams in the past.With all teams in the one division before progressively moving into their respective competition level as they continue through the stricture. And you could do that adding only one extra week. They'd be 80 games in total. Which I think could be quite valuable to all concerned. As you mention there will be some blowouts but the experience and funding will help in particular nations 17-32 develop a lot faster.

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Re: World Cup 2021

Postby RugbyLiebe » Thu, 28 May 2020, 09:25

Working Class Rugger wrote:I've actually proposed using 32 teams in the past.With all teams in the one division before progressively moving into their respective competition level as they continue through the stricture. And you could do that adding only one extra week. They'd be 80 games in total. Which I think could be quite valuable to all concerned. As you mention there will be some blowouts but the experience and funding will help in particular nations 17-32 develop a lot faster.


For the real World Cup I fear 32 teams are to much atm. But for one round of a cup? Let's bring it on.
What would qualifications for the top32 look like. Certain minimum numbers of teams per continent and then ranking? Would also give more reason for nations like Sri Lanka to play as many 15s games as possible to get a better ranking.
How to grow rugby worldwide?
Look at the world ranking in July. Teams ranked 1-10 have to play one team from 11-20 (they don't play in a regular competition) away the next year. 11-20 play 21-30 away and so on. Yes, it really is that simple.

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