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Tier 2 & 3 test rugby and the coronavirus

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Tier 2 & 3 test rugby and the coronavirus

Postby ernestakor » Thu, 09 Jul 2020, 07:34

How much has test rugby been affected in tier 2 and 3 countries been affected by the coronavirus?

Allow me to share something about the situation in Uganda.

We do not play many tests in a year. This year, not a single one was played, or will be, because continental and international tournaments were cancelled by Rugby Africa and World Rugby. Essentially, we rely more on the local competitions for game time and match experience.

Sadly, there has been no rugby for more than 100 days due to the lockdown. The national XV league 2019/20 season was postponed in March until further notice with 5 match days out of 18 left to play. Uncertainty looms over the national sevens series 2020, which concludes the 2019/20 season, and the 2020/21 season opener called the Uganda Cup.

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Re: Tier 2 & 3 test rugby and the coronavirus

Postby SSJ YUSUKE » Thu, 09 Jul 2020, 11:22

The current boundries of the South African provincial system are out of date and should be changed to reflect the current provinces, this would make more sense in terms of organizing club competitions and having fewer teams in an economically constrained enviroment.
I would have
Western Cape-WP, Boland and SWD
Eastern Cape- EP and Border
KZN- Sharks
Free State- FS and Griffons
Northern Cape- Griquas
NW- Leopards
Mpumalanga- Pumas
Gauteng- Lions and Valke
Notherns- Basically the Bulls in Pretoria and Limpopo
Add Namibia to the mix, they might not win but like the sunwolves they would probably benefit from having a team in the South African system.
So a 10 team currie cup and club competitions based off real provincial boundries. Teams play at least 1 or 2 games in rural areas to make up for the lack of provincial teams(most hardly get that much support anyway). All exisiting Unions become Sub Unions to the Provincial ones but the premier club competetion is made up of cljbs playing across sub unions
Finally I would probably remove the Universities from club competitions. Its developed into an American style college football system and they tend to dominate many club competitions. So maybe put the Universities in their own league basically the varisity cup. Maybe have the Varsity All Stars compete in the Currie Cup as an Amateur team

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Re: Tier 2 & 3 test rugby and the coronavirus

Postby ernestakor » Thu, 09 Jul 2020, 12:05

I agree with you, Yusuke, on separating Universities from the national clubs competitions. A large proportion of talent is lost after they have graduated from the schools system, yet we would retain them at the university. Uganda's inter-university championship collapsed but there are plans to revive it.

On regional/provincial rugby, upcountry clubs that made it to the top flight league always struggled to make ends meet logistically and were not realising their full potential. At the moment, each of the regions (Eastern, Northern, Western and Central) play a championship tournament from which the top teams will take part in a playoffs tournament for promotion to the top tier.

This has helped them to operate much more efficiently with less travel but also play competitive games more regularly.

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Re: Tier 2 & 3 test rugby and the coronavirus

Postby iul » Thu, 09 Jul 2020, 12:13

Out of all the t2 and t3 club competitions only the Russian league has restarted.

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Re: Tier 2 & 3 test rugby and the coronavirus

Postby thatrugbyguy » Fri, 10 Jul 2020, 08:15

Other than the domestic competitions being on hold are there any substantial changes being made in T2/T3 unions?

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Re: Tier 2 & 3 test rugby and the coronavirus

Postby ernestakor » Fri, 10 Jul 2020, 12:28

iul wrote:Out of all the t2 and t3 club competitions only the Russian league has restarted.


Majority of us are still waiting. But for how long shall we?

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Re: Tier 2 & 3 test rugby and the coronavirus

Postby ernestakor » Fri, 10 Jul 2020, 12:29

thatrugbyguy wrote:Other than the domestic competitions being on hold are there any substantial changes being made in T2/T3 unions?


I would love to hear what the unions are doing apart from waiting to return to play.

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Re: Tier 2 & 3 test rugby and the coronavirus

Postby Canalina » Fri, 23 Oct 2020, 11:40

from https://rugger.info/news/36790, an opinion about the different reactions of the national or international boards to the sanitary crisis. I hardly agree with the conclusions of the writer

Surrealism, theater of the absurd, conformism and realism of the world of rugby in the context of the coronavirus crisis
We talk about the basic behavioral models of unions and federations.

In the article “The dude's okay with his cuckoo or why Mark Robinson won't ruin New Zealand rugby” we partially touched upon the very acute topic of crisis survival of world rugby. Let's talk about this in more detail today ...

Sur. There was still an organization in the world that is guided by the stream of consciousness in its actions. This is Rugby Europe. There are more than enough questions for them without a crown, but I don't even want to talk about it ... At the same time, the procedure for canceling the last matches of the European Championship, sorry, this is too much. A message just appeared ... and ... That's it! No consultation with federations and unions! No negotiations regarding future plans ... Nothing! General character - read and be healthy.
For example, this spontaneous decision put the Georgian Rugby Union in a “siu” position. Georgians are now redoing short-term plans and “closing” organizational issues by fire.
Moreover, everything that the countries of the European Championship have planned for the spring can be thrown into the trash can, because now nothing is clear. In short, pure sur. Some anarchists ...
If desired, a few more unions and federations can be attributed to the surrealists, which simply sit "exactly on the bottom" and wait for the coronavirus to end. This is the same sur, but such, you know, quiet and calm. Therefore, we will leave them outside the scope of the article, especially since against the background of Rugby Europe they are nothing more than innocent lambs.

Theater of the absurd. The main candidate for the role of the head director is World Rugby. What is their tripartite agreement with the Kingdom of Tonga worth? In times of crisis! After the election scandal in which the new president, Siaoshi Pohiva, was effectively appointed as successor to his father, Akilisi Pohiva. The scandal was that some members of the union's board were not allowed to vote. Let me remind you that the late now senior Pohiva was longtime Prime Minister of Tonga and concurrently president of the rugby union.
But the fundamental absurdity is the global calendar adopted in July. Do you remember what the negotiators were guided by? They talked only about money ... And, on the one hand, this is correct ... We need to somehow earn money in a crisis ... At the same time, when they say from all the cracks that the second wave will be tough and the likelihood of strict quarantine restrictions with the closure of borders is extremely high, how can you plan like that?
After all, if the Kovidushka roam, no plans "B" and "C" will help. And yes ... Have you heard anything about these plans? After all, usually, when declaring plan "A", they report on backup options. This is not a war ... What was the World Rugby afraid of? What will the coronavirus learn about Plan B and change tactics? But, God bless him ... They are not fools in Dublin ... In any case, not more stupid than us ... But how? How can you create a calendar that will be reset if only two or three key countries will impose strict restrictions? Why in two or three ...
For example, tomorrow Ireland will close its borders, introduce a mandatory two-week quarantine on entry and ... missile defense 14 and the Autumn Cup of Nations calendars go to hell ... At least the UCN will have to be canceled, because there is no way to finish it - the international calendar is tightly scheduled until April. What kind of earnings will be discussed after that? And let me just keep quiet about the fact that if this happens and ABM 14 begins to shift towards summer, the Challenge Cup and Champions Cup calendars will go to hell.
In short, the decisions of the Dublin regional committee are very risky, and in places - absurd.

Conformism. Everything is simple here. Most unions and federations go with the flow and look at their older comrades. Moreover, some of the conformists are trying to play their game, but somehow timidly, looking around ... And some don't even twitch. As it will be, so it will be!

Realism. I am very impressed with the Baltic approach. The Latvians and Lithuanians have understood the obvious thing - it is better not to bring the matter until November. And so ... The Baltic TOP league, the Lithuanian and Latvian rugby-15 and rugby-7 championships, as well as, attention, all youth tournaments were played in the Baltic States. Respect to the Balts for the correct assessment of the situation and excellent crisis planning.
I will also include Russia as a realist. Let's just say it almost succeeded. The only and big minus is that in conditions of the coronavirus, it was necessary to postpone the transition to the autumn-spring system for a year. Nothing terrible would have happened. After all, there are no obligations to anyone ... But, with this approach, the championship and the Cup in the "classics" would have ended this year.
True, the male "seven" would have to be postponed to the winter period. But why not? There are more than enough football arenas in Russia"

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Re: Tier 2 & 3 test rugby and the coronavirus

Postby Armchair Fan » Fri, 23 Oct 2020, 11:45

This article would be more appropriate in Rugby Europe politics topic. Unfortunately I just see it as an extension of its electoral campaign.

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Re: Tier 2 & 3 test rugby and the coronavirus

Postby Canalina » Fri, 23 Oct 2020, 12:04

I don't know if the article has political prejudices, as far as I know rugger.info is based in Ukraine and not in Russia; but the conclusion that the best acting in front of the crisis were the Baltic federations seems too simplistic. What should Italy have did, for example? To start playing in june, when we didn't know if the epidemic would have kept going down or not and when the players were totally out of training? The article seems the classical easy post-fact judgement

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