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Rugby Union in charge of other sports

Postby victorsra » Wed, 19 Aug 2020, 23:59

I found out that in Norway the local rugby union federation is also in charge of rugby league, wheelchair rugby, aussie rules and gaelic football! https://www.rugby.no/klubber/ (look at "grener" list... grener = brenches)

This is defintily very odd. I don't know any other rugby union officialy organizing rugby league as well - and aussie rules and gaelic football.

In Turkey, the rugby federation is also in charge of American Football and Baseball/Softball. Also extremely odd. But no rugby league http://www.trf.gov.tr/

And in Greece I believe rugby is still part of the handball federation, but handball is the main sport.

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Re: Rugby Union in charge of other sports

Postby thatrugbyguy » Thu, 20 Aug 2020, 00:11

Is it that unusual though? Many sports organisations often take charge of a number of different sports. Manchester City I believe have a stake in the New York Mets baseball team don't they?

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Re: Rugby Union in charge of other sports

Postby Chester-Donnelly » Thu, 20 Aug 2020, 00:23

The Chinese Rugby Football Association organises rugby union including sevens and American Football in China, but not Association Football despite its misleading name.

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Re: Rugby Union in charge of other sports

Postby victorsra » Thu, 20 Aug 2020, 01:15

thatrugbyguy wrote:Is it that unusual though? Many sports organisations often take charge of a number of different sports. Manchester City I believe have a stake in the New York Mets baseball team don't they?


It is pretty common in Europe and Latin America multisports clubs. There are hundreds of exemples of "soccer clubs" (clubs more famous for soccer) with basketball, volleyball, handball, even rugby.

What is uncommon is federations in charge of totaly independent sports (sports organized by different international organizations). Usualy a national federation only organises different sports if they are under the same international federation (like what happens with roller sports, aquatics...).

The Chinese Rugby Football Association organises rugby union including sevens and American Football in China, but not Association Football despite its misleading name.


Every single rugby union federation has sevens... sevens is union.

If in China American Football and Rugby Union are under the same federation, it is another odd case.

It would surprise me a lot to see another Rugby Union federation in charge of Rugby League. I think it is the only case in the world. I realy thought WR would disapprove that... although Harlequins had Rugby League in the past... but that's a club, not a federation.
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Re: Rugby Union in charge of other sports

Postby victorsra » Thu, 20 Aug 2020, 01:23

Are you sure about China? They aren't members of the IFAF (International American Football Federation): https://www.ifaf.org/nations/nations-asia#.Xz3QfzV7lPY

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Re: Rugby Union in charge of other sports

Postby Chester-Donnelly » Thu, 20 Aug 2020, 01:45

victorsra wrote:Are you sure about China? They aren't members of the IFAF (International American Football Federation): https://www.ifaf.org/nations/nations-asia#.Xz3QfzV7lPY


I'm not sure now. Wikipedia says so, but I have found the American Football League of China Facebook page. That's been going since 2013 so they might now have a separate association to the rugby football association. I'm not able to confirm either way.

See if you can make any sense of this

http://rugby.sport.org.cn/about/2013/1206/280029.html

It doesn't translate very well into English, talking about non-Austrian and small ball (which could be referring to American football).
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Re: Rugby Union in charge of other sports

Postby victorsra » Thu, 20 Aug 2020, 01:50

I think that is just a league founded by Americans and basicaly doesn't have Chinese players, right? It looks like an independent thing, not a federation.

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Re: Rugby Union in charge of other sports

Postby Chester-Donnelly » Thu, 20 Aug 2020, 01:52

victorsra wrote:I think that is just a league founded by Americans and basicaly doesn't have Chinese players, right? It looks like an independent thing, not a federation.


Can you make any sense of this?

http://rugby.sport.org.cn/about/2013/1206/280029.html

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Re: Rugby Union in charge of other sports

Postby victorsra » Thu, 20 Aug 2020, 01:54

Google Translator is not working with http://rugby.sport.org.cn/picture/. But at least there aren't American Football photos.

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Re: Rugby Union in charge of other sports

Postby victorsra » Thu, 20 Aug 2020, 02:08

Looking at the name of IFAF members they all look like to be American Football only: https://www.ifaf.org/nations And Turkey is also not a member...

Something for IRL (Intenational Rugby League, formerly known as RLIF) https://www.intrl.sport/member-nations/ and they are calling the Norwegian federation as "Rugby League Norge" https://www.facebook.com/RLNOR/ :? But, here you are, in "About us": "Rugby League Norge are the governing body for the sport of Rugby League in Norway. RLN are member of International Rugby League and the Rugby League European Federation. Rugby League is recognized as a sport through the Norwegian Rugby Federation by the Norwegian Sport Association. RLN have a cooperation agreement with NRF that safeguards the development of Rugby League in Norway"

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Re: Rugby Union in charge of other sports

Postby Chester-Donnelly » Thu, 20 Aug 2020, 02:15

victorsra wrote:Google Translator is not working with http://rugby.sport.org.cn/picture/. But at least there aren't American Football photos.


They seem to be mostly concerned with sevens, and also focusing on the women's team because they are able to achieve more success.

But they do have articles entirely about water polo, so I think that is possibly also under the Chinese Rugby Football Association.

http://rugby.sport.org.cn/news/2020/0706/337954.html

It does make sense to group some minor foreign sports together in one association as the development is entirely state driven. They can use a lot of the same support staff, administrators, facilities etc.

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Re: Rugby Union in charge of other sports

Postby victorsra » Thu, 20 Aug 2020, 02:30

Water Polo is very unlikely as it is a sport part of FINA, the Aquatics international federation (and China has an Aquatics federation...). Maybe they are just comparing.

http://www.fina.org/gms-function/techni ... -committee

http://www.fina.org/national-federations
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Re: Rugby Union in charge of other sports

Postby Chester-Donnelly » Thu, 20 Aug 2020, 02:30

victorsra wrote:I think that is just a league founded by Americans and basicaly doesn't have Chinese players, right? It looks like an independent thing, not a federation.


I don't think American Football in China is covered by any federation. It's not really an internal sport so I don't think the state is particularly interested in it.

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Re: Rugby Union in charge of other sports

Postby victorsra » Thu, 20 Aug 2020, 02:39

Maybe. Rugby Sevens is part of the National Games of China, their Olympics, with all Olympic sports.

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Re: Rugby Union in charge of other sports

Postby Chester-Donnelly » Thu, 20 Aug 2020, 02:41

victorsra wrote:Water Polo is very unlikely as it is a sport part of FINA, the Aquatics international federation (and China has an Aquatics federation...). Maybe they are just comparing.

http://www.fina.org/gms-function/techni ... -committee

http://www.fina.org/national-federations


There's not just one article on the Chinese women's water polo team on the Chinese Rugby Football Association website, there are several, and they're not comparing to rugby, they're just about water polo. It looks like the water polo team is managed and coached by the Rugby Association, but Internationally it would fall under the Chinese Aquatics Federation.

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Re: Rugby Union in charge of other sports

Postby victorsra » Thu, 20 Aug 2020, 02:55

That's very strange. The Chinese Water Polo team pre-dates rugby itself there. They have played the Olympics in 1984, much before rugby ws a thing there, and the Asian Games since 1974... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_men ... _polo_team The Chinese Rugby Football Association was founded in 1996...


It is maybe some sort of partnership...

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Re: Rugby Union in charge of other sports

Postby victorsra » Thu, 20 Aug 2020, 02:58

Dude, we need to learn Mandarin :lol:

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Re: Rugby Union in charge of other sports

Postby Chester-Donnelly » Thu, 20 Aug 2020, 03:12

victorsra wrote:Dude, we need to learn Mandarin :lol:


I know. Some of it translates into English ok, but some of it makes no sense. I think the languages and cultures are just too different.

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Re: Rugby Union in charge of other sports

Postby iul » Thu, 20 Aug 2020, 05:59

IIRC in Italy and South Africa the rugby union also runs rugby league.

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Re: Rugby Union in charge of other sports

Postby SSJ YUSUKE » Thu, 20 Aug 2020, 06:40

I believe water polo was called "water rugby" when the sport was first developed in the late 19th century

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Re: Rugby Union in charge of other sports

Postby Chester-Donnelly » Thu, 20 Aug 2020, 07:02

SSJ YUSUKE wrote:I believe water polo was called "water rugby" when the sport was first developed in the late 19th century


Makes more sense. Water polo sounds like it should involve horses.

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Re: Rugby Union in charge of other sports

Postby Canalina » Thu, 20 Aug 2020, 07:35

:D

or seahorses (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seahorse)

Interesting the fact of waterpolo once called "water rugby", I will try to make some on line search.

I had seen too articles about waterpolo on China Rugby website (like this http://rugby.sport.org.cn/news/2020/0610/333232.html) but I hadn't the feeling that the two federations were melted, I thought it was just a cooperation between the two women national teams

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Re: Rugby Union in charge of other sports

Postby Chester-Donnelly » Thu, 20 Aug 2020, 08:08

Canalina wrote::D

or seahorses (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seahorse)

Interesting the fact of waterpolo once called "water rugby", I will try to make some on line search.

I had seen too articles about waterpolo on China Rugby website (like this http://rugby.sport.org.cn/news/2020/0610/333232.html) but I hadn't the feeling that the two federations were melted, I thought it was just a cooperation between the two women national teams


That's what I think too. I think it's a case of training together, supporting each other and pooling resources.

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