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Re: Rugby Europe International Championships 2020-2021

Postby armchair_expert » Fri, 12 Feb 2021, 16:07

9.6 Designated Release Events

The Right to Release for Matches applies to the Designated Release Events set out below whenever such Designated Release Events are held. All Players selected to participate in Designated Release Events shall be released.

(a) Union Designated Release Events:

(i) The quadrennial Rugby World Cup Tournament and qualification Matches.

(ii) The quadrennial Rugby World Cup Sevens event.

(iii) An Olympic Sevens Rugby event and qualification Matches.

so in theory REC matches in RWCQ years can be scheduled for any convenient date, not just during global release windows

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Re: Rugby Europe International Championships 2020-2021

Postby Armchair Fan » Fri, 12 Feb 2021, 16:10

Vova12 wrote:If Spain is allowed to start match at + 35C, then next match will start at -35C in Russia ...

I'll tell you a funny anecdote. My Russian mother-in-law came a couple of years ago in June. And we went to visit Cordoba. We saw its Mezquita around midday and then I suggested to go back to the hotel to enjoy air conditioning. She refused, she had to make the most out of that beautiful city and good weather. We crossed the Roman bridge on the Guadalquivir river. There wasn't anybody in the street. And she almost fainted right there due to heatstroke. We had to take her to the hotel because she couldn't resist the heat. And it was early June.

Playing in July in Spain is madness. And you may think we should find a northern venue. Well, there are various issues:
- Humidity can still be horrible
- Old football pitches whose size may not allow rugby homologation
- July is when most football stadiums change grass, so not many may be available

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Re: Rugby Europe International Championships 2020-2021

Postby Vova12 » Fri, 12 Feb 2021, 16:17

It is likely although i personally remember World Cup in Spain in summer of 1982 ...
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Re: Rugby Europe International Championships 2020-2021

Postby victorsra » Fri, 12 Feb 2021, 16:25

Vova12 wrote:He dont know about timing of the French and British championships ...


:lol: When do you think is played the Top 14 and Premiership? Seriously, I'm curious. What do you think is played in April and May in those countries?

I'll help you, I know you are new in rugby:
https://www.lnr.fr/
https://www.premiershiprugby.com/
https://epcrugby.com/
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Re: Rugby Europe International Championships 2020-2021

Postby victorsra » Fri, 12 Feb 2021, 16:32

armchair_expert wrote:
9.6 Designated Release Events

The Right to Release for Matches applies to the Designated Release Events set out below whenever such Designated Release Events are held. All Players selected to participate in Designated Release Events shall be released.

(a) Union Designated Release Events:

(i) The quadrennial Rugby World Cup Tournament and qualification Matches.

(ii) The quadrennial Rugby World Cup Sevens event.

(iii) An Olympic Sevens Rugby event and qualification Matches.

so in theory REC matches in RWCQ years can be scheduled for any convenient date, not just during global release windows

Utopic, it is there just to help fixing troubled calendars. If WR asks French and English clubs to release Georgians in the middle of Heineken Champions Cup and Top 14 finals, or Pro D2 clubs to release Spanish players in the playoffs, they'll flip the middle finger. WR is trying to work with the clubs to avoid more troubles. It is pretty much the main discussion topic in global rugby right now.

April, May and June are the finals months of Top 14, Premiership, PRO14/16 and Champions Cup. The months it is realistic to negociate are those in the start of the season, like September, October.... and a little bit Late January or Late March.

People need to open the global calendar and the professional leagues calendars to understand where lies the problems, seriously.

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Re: Rugby Europe International Championships 2020-2021

Postby Vova12 » Fri, 12 Feb 2021, 16:36

In May Champions Cup and Challenge Cup finals are played for example ...
It is strange that such a specialist does not know this.
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Re: Rugby Europe International Championships 2020-2021

Postby Vova12 » Fri, 12 Feb 2021, 16:45

I collect programs of rugby matches! I have all finals in stock! :D
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Re: Rugby Europe International Championships 2020-2021

Postby victorsra » Fri, 12 Feb 2021, 16:59

Vova12 wrote:In May Champions Cup and Challenge Cup finals are played for example ...
It is strange that such a specialist does not know this.


So you have problems in reading? or thinking...

Because, that's exactly what I said, Champions Cup, Top 14, Premiership and PRO14 most important rounds are between April (important rounds), May and June. Therefore, silly to fight against T1 clubs in this period. They won't release players. And T1s own World Rugby.

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Re: Rugby Europe International Championships 2020-2021

Postby Vova12 » Fri, 12 Feb 2021, 17:07

I think that in 2 division countries should be engaged in development of ther own championships and not be donors of others or engage in exessive naturalization of French.
I see no reason to adapt to 6N desires. We need uniform rules without discrimination against lower division countries. Like football.
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Re: Rugby Europe International Championships 2020-2021

Postby victorsra » Fri, 12 Feb 2021, 17:10

Vova12 wrote:I think that in 2 division countries should be engaged in development of ther own championships and not be donors of others or engage in exessive naturalization of French.
I see no reason to adapt to 6N desires. We need uniform rules without discrimination against lower division countries. Like football.

So you want to impose that Spain and Georgia and Portugal play without their best players? Or to prevent their best players to receive better salaries abroad.

Good plan. Definitly a COMPROMISE :lol:

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Re: Rugby Europe International Championships 2020-2021

Postby STMKY » Fri, 12 Feb 2021, 17:10

Proposals for the places of the games:
Russia - Georgia (March 20) in Makhachkala or Grozny
Russia - Portugal (July 18) in Krasnoyarsk

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Re: Rugby Europe International Championships 2020-2021

Postby Armchair Fan » Fri, 12 Feb 2021, 17:13

Vova12 wrote:I think that in 2 division countries should be engaged in development of ther own championships and not be donors of others or engage in exessive naturalization of French.
I see no reason to adapt to 6N desires. We need uniform rules without discrimination against lower division countries. Like football.

You do realise that even if we didn't call any French-born player we would still rely on French clubs because it's where players can be better paid and have more professional opportunities (40 pro clubs instead of 3-4)? We have already seen Spanish born and bred players go to France for less money than they would earn at home (real contract in Spain v fake espoirs contract in France) because they want to play against the best.

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Re: Rugby Europe International Championships 2020-2021

Postby victorsra » Fri, 12 Feb 2021, 17:15

Russia has the Black Sea to keep the Bears active. They love Asia and do you know who has pre-season in December/January? Japan, their league starts in February. Plenty oportunities for Russian rugby to keep active and even to profit in this period.

But Vova prefers to cry like a toddler.
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Re: Rugby Europe International Championships 2020-2021

Postby Vova12 » Fri, 12 Feb 2021, 17:16

I want 6N not to have a privileged position in world rugby.
This is not in line with spirit of rugby and sporting principes.
Major leagues in Europe should place players at disposal of lower league teams and provide windows on calendar.
World Rugby must oblige 6N countries to do this.
This is my opinion.
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Re: Rugby Europe International Championships 2020-2021

Postby victorsra » Fri, 12 Feb 2021, 17:18

I want 6N not to have a privileged position in world rugby.


OOOOH ONLY YOU. :roll:

That's the whole point of this forum. Everybody here wants change. But we look at the big picture and discuss the issues based on reality, based on who has the power and how to find real compromises to break the privileges and make rugby open, instead of crying.

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Re: Rugby Europe International Championships 2020-2021

Postby Vova12 » Fri, 12 Feb 2021, 17:23

If it depended on me, then i would have left this crazy house in Europe long ago.
And your will whine in July.
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Re: Rugby Europe International Championships 2020-2021

Postby victorsra » Fri, 12 Feb 2021, 17:25

World Rugby must oblige 6N countries to do this.

If you actualy READ the threads of this forum you would know World Rugby is governed by a Council. This Council has 51 voters. And of the 51, 30 votes are in the hands of the 10 Tier 1 nations. They control rugby and that's what fucks it. And their leagues control world's best rugby players, because they pay them. Rugby is on the verge of a civil war between clubs and unions related exactly to the calendar. If you get out the cave you'll start understanding whats' going on in rugby's politics.

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Re: Rugby Europe International Championships 2020-2021

Postby Vova12 » Fri, 12 Feb 2021, 17:27

We need a demarche 2 division against this fucking 6N cartel.
But its much easier to send Russia to play again in February ...
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Re: Rugby Europe International Championships 2020-2021

Postby Vova12 » Fri, 12 Feb 2021, 17:28

And of course Morariu is not capable of this, but all assholes in Europe vote for him ...
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Re: Rugby Europe International Championships 2020-2021

Postby victorsra » Fri, 12 Feb 2021, 17:36

Vova12 wrote:We need a demarche 2 division against this fucking 6N cartel.
But its much easier to send Russia to play again in February ...

Russia and ROMANIA. Interestingly, Morariu's country is also in the same situation as Russia :roll: . Why you ignore it?

Russia has the Black Sea to train and the clubs of both countries were supposed to be playing the Continental Shield/Challenge Cup in January. This is not off-season for top professional players, only for amateurs, semi pros...

No need to say the Challenge Cup is controlled by EPCR, an organization controled by the 6N countries.

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Re: Rugby Europe International Championships 2020-2021

Postby Vova12 » Fri, 12 Feb 2021, 17:43

It is necessary that World Rugby intervened in this matter.
This is the case when rugby needs to follow example of football ...
Otherwise it all looks like an imitation of development of rugby.
We need an organization uniting not 6N, but all European countries.
With this cartel have to stop ...
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Re: Rugby Europe International Championships 2020-2021

Postby Vova12 » Fri, 12 Feb 2021, 17:45

It is impossible to come up with a solution acceptable to everyone if 6N does not give a damn about everyone.
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Re: Rugby Europe International Championships 2020-2021

Postby victorsra » Fri, 12 Feb 2021, 17:46

Everybody agrees with what you said now. We are for years discussing this issue. And reality is WR is controlled by 10 nations.

Welcome to the T2 Rugby Forum. What have you been doing all this time here? Oh, basicaly trolling.

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Re: Rugby Europe International Championships 2020-2021

Postby Vova12 » Fri, 12 Feb 2021, 17:53

What is there to discuss if Rugby Europe is on 6N side?
Its a waste of time ... Аssholes voted for Morariu and can now be happy.

I saying that we need to escape to Asia from this crazy house!
It is possible that after occupation of Europe by Putin something will change, dont know ...
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Re: Rugby Europe International Championships 2020-2021

Postby victorsra » Sat, 13 Feb 2021, 00:06

And, predictably, the potencialy good discussion faded and you went back to the your normal ass-mode.

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