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Re: USA Rugby

Postby Higgik » Fri, 10 Apr 2020, 20:52

Duke of Earl wrote:He does seem a bit of a charlatan and the figures he is talking about seem fanciful to say the least.
Would think that the model MLR is currently doing with steady growth is the best approach for the sport in the country. Hopefully the Raptors players will be picked up elsewhere in the organisation and with the proposed draft seems the MLR is moving the right direction

Totally agree, MLR is doing the right thing slow growth mainly American players with a few marquee players to up the standard and provide development opportunities. Look at how the MLS grew when they realised that the focus should be on local players supported by a few well picked overseas players. Players like Beckham who raised the profile. Bastereud, and Nonu can do that as well.

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Re: USA Rugby

Postby victorsra » Fri, 10 Apr 2020, 21:16

Honestly what would rugby in USA is the RWC. Either hosting it or the Eagles performing well on it. And for that to happen soon MLR approach is indeed the right way, but no ilusion, nobody knows who Bastareaud or Nonu are. They are big names only for rugby fans.
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Re: USA Rugby

Postby Chester-Donnelly » Sat, 11 Apr 2020, 02:46

victorsra wrote:Honestly what would rugby in USA is the RWC. Either hosting it or the Eagles performing well on it. And for that to happen soon MLR approach is indeed the right way, but no ilusion, nobody knows who Bastareaud or Nonu are. They are big names only for rugby fans.


I actually think rugby players are less universally famous now than they were 20 years ago. In England at least. Ask your average English non-sports fan to name 2 rugby players and they'll probably say Jonah Lomu and Jonny Wilkinson, maybe Gavin Henson. Maybe Chabal.

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Re: USA Rugby

Postby victorsra » Sat, 11 Apr 2020, 17:38

In Brazil the most famous rugby player is Louis Picamoles because when read in Brazilian Portuguese his name means soft dick. He made ESPN Brasil journalists laugh endlessly and the video went viral :lol:



Lomu, Chester Williams and François Pienaar (only because of the movie Invictus) are the only others with some fame outside rugby fans.
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Re: USA Rugby

Postby Tobar » Sat, 11 Apr 2020, 18:22

Chester-Donnelly wrote:
sk 88 wrote:Good luck to him I say. Rugby needs innovation and needs to be better at tolerance and keeping people inside the tent. If he wants to burn a pile of cash then let him. Either he succeeds and we have a new top league (a good thing), or he fails and nothing has changed (no bad thing). What NFL and its competitors have shown is that competition improves the game.

I do think he is right in part that people aren't idiots and aren't going to buy inferior product (i.e. not top leagues) in serious numbers. Making that jump takes a lot of money and belief. While building foundations first is totally right at some point you need to make that jump to make it big.


Japan will soon have a major league in my opinion. MLAR and SLAR need to become major leagues over the next few years. I think GRR will also eventually become a major league, or some teams will join an Australia - New Zealand league, whilst others will remain in an Asia-Pacific development league. South Africa could have its own major league if it wants to but prefers to play in international leagues.


It’s not much of an opinion, there are official plans to have a fully professional league. It has a couple of hiccups but otherwise all plans are a go.

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Re: USA Rugby

Postby Tobar » Sat, 11 Apr 2020, 18:26

victorsra wrote:In Brazil the most famous rugby player is Louis Picamoles because when read in Brazilian Portuguese his name means soft dick. He made ESPN Brasil journalists laugh endlessly and the video went viral :lol:



Lomu, Chester Williams and François Pienaar (only because of the movie Invictus) are the only others with some fame outside rugby fans.


Hah, that’s hilarious.

I know someone who’s last name is Petitto. My Colombian in laws were visiting and we went to a baseball game and saw him. He was wearing a custom jersey with his name on it and when he walked away my in laws started cracking up because Petitto is slang for small dick.

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Re: USA Rugby

Postby victorsra » Sat, 11 Apr 2020, 21:26

The 2019 Japanese first row also made people laugh because of Shota Horie and Ji-Won Koo. "Shota" sounds exactly like the word for vagina and "koo" exactly like the word for ass. :lol: But Picamoles is still the king here.
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Re: USA Rugby

Postby vino_93 » Sat, 11 Apr 2020, 22:44

In France, there is too Laurent Labit, who is a famous coach now but was a good player before. Labit has the same pronunciation as la bite, which means "the dick". That was a pleasure for commentators !

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Re: USA Rugby

Postby victorsra » Thu, 23 Apr 2020, 19:59

Is Wiki right? The 2021 U20 Championship will be realy in USA? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Rug ... ampionship
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Re: USA Rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Thu, 23 Apr 2020, 20:10

We have already seen in the past guys making up hosts for U20 tournaments on Wikipedia...

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Re: USA Rugby

Postby TheStroBro » Thu, 23 Apr 2020, 22:19

victorsra wrote:Is Wiki right? The 2021 U20 Championship will be realy in USA? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Rug ... ampionship

Not that we are aware...

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Re: USA Rugby

Postby 4N » Thu, 14 May 2020, 16:59

Sounds like Roman Salanoa is going to try to represent Ireland. Tough for the US to lose a promising prop since we have very little depth at that position but I understand his decision. He has better earning potential and career opportunities over there.

https://www.the42.ie/roman-salanoa-muns ... 9-May2020/

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Re: USA Rugby

Postby Chester-Donnelly » Thu, 14 May 2020, 18:05

4N wrote:Sounds like Roman Salanoa is going to try to represent Ireland. Tough for the US to lose a promising prop since we have very little depth at that position but I understand his decision. He has better earning potential and career opportunities over there.

https://www.the42.ie/roman-salanoa-muns ... 9-May2020/


Oh, so Roman Salanoa is Irish now.

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Re: USA Rugby

Postby sk 88 » Fri, 15 May 2020, 10:29

4N wrote:Sounds like Roman Salanoa is going to try to represent Ireland. Tough for the US to lose a promising prop since we have very little depth at that position but I understand his decision. He has better earning potential and career opportunities over there.

https://www.the42.ie/roman-salanoa-muns ... 9-May2020/



But remember guys its bastard French clubs that prevent guys representing T2 nations.

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Re: USA Rugby

Postby Higgik » Sat, 16 May 2020, 09:13

Chester-Donnelly wrote:
4N wrote:Sounds like Roman Salanoa is going to try to represent Ireland. Tough for the US to lose a promising prop since we have very little depth at that position but I understand his decision. He has better earning potential and career opportunities over there.

https://www.the42.ie/roman-salanoa-muns ... 9-May2020/


Oh, so Roman Salanoa is Irish now.

And this is just the sort of thing that needs to be stopped.
One thing would be a global calendar, so there is less conflict between the club and international games

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Re: USA Rugby

Postby TheStroBro » Sun, 17 May 2020, 01:34

French Clubs allow their players to represent their countries. Irish clubs poach guys, Salanoa wasn't some random kid found on the Island. He was a US U20.

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Re: USA Rugby

Postby Chester-Donnelly » Sun, 17 May 2020, 01:58

TheStroBro wrote:French Clubs allow their players to represent their countries. Irish clubs poach guys, Salanoa wasn't some random kid found on the Island. He was a US U20.


This is really frustrating. A rugby player from a tier 3 country moving to a tier 1 or 2 country in order to have an international career is completely understandable and something I support, e.g. Africans playing for South Africa or France, but an American rugby player should not be moving to Ireland to play for Ireland. USA has ambitions of following Japan to tier 1 status. If he wants to play at a higher level of club rugby then playing in Ireland is a good option. But for international rugby he is American and should be playing for USA in my opinion.

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Re: USA Rugby

Postby 4N » Sun, 21 Jun 2020, 17:03

Good article on Salanoa and Hawaiian rugby today. Kahuku is a school I have said should be looked at by rugby scouts for years.

You may have come across Roman Salanoa’s name before. But it’s unlikely you’ve heard his story, the upbringing in Laie, a working class Hawaiian town with just 6,138 inhabitants that over the years has sent 17 of its residents to the NFL. If that is kind of startling then so too is the fact that in 2006, USA Football announced that Kahuku High – Salanoa’s alma mater - was tied with four other high schools for the honour of being the school with the most players on NFL rosters. “Football is a big tradition where I’m from,” said Chris Naeole, a Kahuku ex-pat who went on to play for the Jacksonville Jaguars. “I’ve been gone awhile from Kahuku, but I go back there and they just keep pumping out kids. Everyone there is strong-minded. There are a lot of Polynesians in the league from all over Hawaii.”

When people think about community spirit, about the closeness of families, they really should be thinking of a place like this,” Fitzgerald says. “Their Polynesian culture is so important to them and rugby is a part of that. It isn’t an alien sport. They grew up playing touch rugby for fun, (American) football for championships.”

Salanoa is the first to cross boundaries, sporting as well as geographic, yet Liddy and O’Sullivan intend going back. Another Kahuku graduate was about to sign for the Dragons until Bernard Jackman lost his job there; while the pandemic has stalled Jeremy’s Davidson’s Brive from their pursuit of a third Hawaiian. O’Sullivan, Liddy and Fitzgerald are convinced there’s a mine of talent waiting to be unearthed.

“You’re looking at a similar amount of potential here as you get in Fiji, Tonga and Samoa,” Fitzgerald says. “Their genetics suit rugby.”


https://www.the42.ie/hawaiian-prop-roma ... 1-Jun2020/

Brive did actually sign a player from Hawaii btw. Sione Lolohea.

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Re: USA Rugby

Postby Tobar » Sun, 21 Jun 2020, 22:24

4N wrote:Sounds like Roman Salanoa is going to try to represent Ireland. Tough for the US to lose a promising prop since we have very little depth at that position but I understand his decision. He has better earning potential and career opportunities over there.

https://www.the42.ie/roman-salanoa-muns ... 9-May2020/


“Despite his USA U20 caps, Salanoa could be eligible to play for Ireland from this summer, when he will have completed three years of residency. He arrived in Ireland before the change to five-year residency came into effect.“

This is the only thing I found in the article that suggested he would play for Ireland. It doesn’t include anything that says he will likely play for Ireland, just that he will be eligible for Ireland.

I’m not suggesting it definitely won’t happen but let’s pump the brakes a bit. I doubt he would choose to get any USA caps anytime soon because then he’d lose his chance in Ireland. But I could definitely see him play for another year or two before considering it, if it happens.

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Re: USA Rugby

Postby 4N » Sun, 21 Jun 2020, 22:42

We will see what happens in terms of the autumn internationals this year but there’s chance Ireland will call him up so they don’t have to wait until Sep 2022 for him to be eligible again.

While he remains eligible to represent the Eagles, Salanoa will be qualified to play for Ireland in September on three-year residency. Assuming he is not selected before January 1, he would then be required to wait until September 2022 to play for Ireland under the new five-year criteria.


http://www.americasrugbynews.com/2020/0 ... ster-move/

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Re: USA Rugby

Postby TheStroBro » Sun, 21 Jun 2020, 23:01

4N wrote:Good article on Salanoa and Hawaiian rugby today. Kahuku is a school I have said should be looked at by rugby scouts for years.

You may have come across Roman Salanoa’s name before. But it’s unlikely you’ve heard his story, the upbringing in Laie, a working class Hawaiian town with just 6,138 inhabitants that over the years has sent 17 of its residents to the NFL. If that is kind of startling then so too is the fact that in 2006, USA Football announced that Kahuku High – Salanoa’s alma mater - was tied with four other high schools for the honour of being the school with the most players on NFL rosters. “Football is a big tradition where I’m from,” said Chris Naeole, a Kahuku ex-pat who went on to play for the Jacksonville Jaguars. “I’ve been gone awhile from Kahuku, but I go back there and they just keep pumping out kids. Everyone there is strong-minded. There are a lot of Polynesians in the league from all over Hawaii.”

When people think about community spirit, about the closeness of families, they really should be thinking of a place like this,” Fitzgerald says. “Their Polynesian culture is so important to them and rugby is a part of that. It isn’t an alien sport. They grew up playing touch rugby for fun, (American) football for championships.”

Salanoa is the first to cross boundaries, sporting as well as geographic, yet Liddy and O’Sullivan intend going back. Another Kahuku graduate was about to sign for the Dragons until Bernard Jackman lost his job there; while the pandemic has stalled Jeremy’s Davidson’s Brive from their pursuit of a third Hawaiian. O’Sullivan, Liddy and Fitzgerald are convinced there’s a mine of talent waiting to be unearthed.

“You’re looking at a similar amount of potential here as you get in Fiji, Tonga and Samoa,” Fitzgerald says. “Their genetics suit rugby.”


https://www.the42.ie/hawaiian-prop-roma ... 1-Jun2020/

Brive did actually sign a player from Hawaii btw. Sione Lolohea.


Oh sweet, Ireland will poach more players. Lovely.

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Re: USA Rugby

Postby 4N » Mon, 22 Jun 2020, 00:48

Not necessarily, the two additional players mentioned were linked to teams outside of Ireland with Irish coaches. Plus you have the five year residency period in effect for any new signings. I’m sure someone like Lolohea will end up playing for the Eagles.

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Re: USA Rugby

Postby Tobar » Mon, 22 Jun 2020, 01:21

Btw regarding Lolohea - ARN reporter on this a few weeks ago, in case anyone is interested in reading.

http://www.americasrugbynews.com/2020/0 ... e-academy/

Hoping he will become JIFF eligible but play for the US since that doesn’t mess with his status at all, unlike in Ireland as we are seeing with Mr. Salanoa.

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Re: USA Rugby

Postby theDarky » Mon, 22 Jun 2020, 02:11

Tobar wrote:Btw regarding Lolohea - ARN reporter on this a few weeks ago, in case anyone is interested in reading.

http://www.americasrugbynews.com/2020/0 ... e-academy/

Hoping he will become JIFF eligible but play for the US since that doesn’t mess with his status at all, unlike in Ireland as we are seeing with Mr. Salanoa.


Interesting when you think that JIFF was created to get more potential french internationals ^^

The LNR want to control the JIFF players more and more and Brive was the worst club last year even they had an exception as a promoted club.

https://sport24.lefigaro.fr/rugby/top-1 ... ff-1003527

Btw, there is an error in the article of ARN.

Brive was established in 1910 and has won four French title


Nope they are the only big club with no french domestic title excepted one "Challenge Yves du Manoir" which was more or less a national cup.

Nevertheless, the club has won a heineken cup (the 2nd official one and the first with the english clubs so the first "real" one).

It's why one of the bedroom, in the national center in Marcoussis, got the name of this club (the other bedrooms got the name of the clubs which won the french championship).

When the national center was created, it was the only exception with Clermont which played many national finals and finally won it twice later.

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Re: USA Rugby

Postby sk 88 » Mon, 22 Jun 2020, 10:35

4N wrote:We will see what happens in terms of the autumn internationals this year but there’s chance Ireland will call him up so they don’t have to wait until Sep 2022 for him to be eligible again.

While he remains eligible to represent the Eagles, Salanoa will be qualified to play for Ireland in September on three-year residency. Assuming he is not selected before January 1, he would then be required to wait until September 2022 to play for Ireland under the new five-year criteria.


http://www.americasrugbynews.com/2020/0 ... ster-move/


I don't believe that is accurate. He will continue to remain eligible in the interim period, surely?

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